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Contra Cekadam
« on: March 11, 2018, 04:31:51 AM »
Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Print version (book)
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Dear N...........,
I have finished the Contra Cekadam and it is going to the printer.
Can you post the Bishop s preface on Cathinfo, and announce the book should be available in May



PREFACE  (OR  FOREWORD)  TO  “CONTRA  CEKADAM”.


Great Doctors of the Church have written works named from the author of the errors being refuted by the Doctor, for instance St Augustine's “Against Cresconius” or St Jerome's “Against Jovinianus”. Both Cresconius and Jovinianus have today been largely or altogether forgotten, but the works of the Doctors live on because the Doctors lay out good Catholic doctrine in refuting  the errors. In the same way Fr Chazal names his refutation of sedevacantism (the  See-vacant doctrine that the Popes since Vatican II have not been Popes at all) from Fr Anthony Cekada, a long-standing and outstanding defender of the sedevacantist position. Fr Cekada's arguments and opinions have acted like the grain of sand inside an oyster, which by the irritation which it produces makes the oyster produce a pearl.

Fr Cekada argues as though sedevacantism is not merely one opinion in a difficult and highly disputed question. He presents it as a dogmatic certainty, to refuse which means that one is not Catholic. Fr Chazal has a measure of sympathy for sedevacantists (he prefers them to liberals), and he shows charity towards Fr Cekada, but the great merit of “Contra Cekadam” is that he proves to any reasonable reader that, at the very least, no Catholic is obliged to accept the sedevacantist position. Fr Cekada writes as though he is a master of theology and of Canon Law, but Fr Chazal has looked up the theologians and the Canons in question and he proves that they are far from proving that the See of Rome has been vacant at any time since Vatican II.

To do this Fr Chazal goes in turn through the Church's theologians, canonists and Popes, St Thomas Aquinas, Scripture and history with a final resort to common sense. Let us here evoke briefly the theologians and the canonists on whom sedevacantists rely heavily.

Their favourite theologian is St Robert Bellarmine who held that any Pope becoming a heretic automatically ceases to be Pope. But Fr Chazal opens the books and finds that this opinion is by no means the common opinion of Church theologians, and that Bellarmine himself requires that the Pope concerned be first given two warnings before he is deposed. For indeed, as many other famous theologians argue, the Pope is not just an individual who can lose the faith personally, but he is also head of a worldwide society which cannot function without a head. Nor does the personal loss of faith necessarily impede his headship of the Church. Therefore they argue, for the sake of the Church as a whole, God preserves the Pope's headship until the highest competent Church authorities can make a public declaration of his heresy (to prevent public chaos in the Church), and then and only then does God depose him. No such declaration has been made since Vatican II.

Sedevacantists also love Canon 188.4 which states that public defection from the faith on the part of a cleric means automatic loss of his office. But many other Canons and the other sections of Canon 188 clearly show that this “public defection” must include the cleric's intent to resign by such acts as, for instance, attempting marriage or joining a sect,  and also there must be a warning and official monitions before the cleric loses his office. Common justice calls it the right of self-defence.

In fact Fr Chazal presents a multitude of arguments which prove the human wisdom and patience of Mother Church in dealing with faulty ministers. For the sake of the Church as a whole, it is not only the Pope who does not have his head immediately cut off, as sedevacantists seem to think. The wheels of God may grind exceeding small but they also grind slowly, as the proverb says.  

If anybody wishes to learn just how little the position of the sedevacantists is binding on Catholics, by all means let them read this brief and entertaining study by Fr Chazal.

                                                                    +Richard Williamson,  Broadstairs, 20 February, 2018.




Re: Contra Cekadam from Fr. Chazal
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2018, 06:31:03 AM »
Dear N...........,
I have finished the Contra Cekadam and it is going to the printer.
Can you post the Bishop s preface on Cathinfo, and announce the book should be available in May



PREFACE  (OR  FOREWORD)  TO  “CONTRA  CEKADAM”.
 
 
Great Doctors of the Church have written works named from the author of the errors being refuted by the Doctor, for instance St Augustine's “Against Cresconius” or St Jerome's “Against Jovinianus”. Both Cresconius and Jovinianus have today been largely or altogether forgotten, but the works of the Doctors live on because the Doctors lay out good Catholic doctrine in refuting  the errors. In the same way Fr Chazal names his refutation of sedevacantism (the  See-vacant doctrine that the Popes since Vatican II have not been Popes at all) from Fr Anthony Cekada, a long-standing and outstanding defender of the sedevacantist position. Fr Cekada's arguments and opinions have acted like the grain of sand inside an oyster, which by the irritation which it produces makes the oyster produce a pearl.
 
Fr Cekada argues as though sedevacantism is not merely one opinion in a difficult and highly disputed question. He presents it as a dogmatic certainty, to refuse which means that one is not Catholic. Fr Chazal has a measure of sympathy for sedevacantists (he prefers them to liberals), and he shows charity towards Fr Cekada, but the great merit of “Contra Cekadam” is that he proves to any reasonable reader that, at the very least, no Catholic is obliged to accept the sedevacantist position. Fr Cekada writes as though he is a master of theology and of Canon Law, but Fr Chazal has looked up the theologians and the Canons in question and he proves that they are far from proving that the See of Rome has been vacant at any time since Vatican II.
 
To do this Fr Chazal goes in turn through the Church's theologians, canonists and Popes, St Thomas Aquinas, Scripture and history with a final resort to common sense. Let us here evoke briefly the theologians and the canonists on whom sedevacantists rely heavily.
 
Their favourite theologian is St Robert Bellarmine who held that any Pope becoming a heretic automatically ceases to be Pope. But Fr Chazal opens the books and finds that this opinion is by no means the common opinion of Church theologians, and that Bellarmine himself requires that the Pope concerned be first given two warnings before he is deposed. For indeed, as many other famous theologians argue, the Pope is not just an individual who can lose the faith personally, but he is also head of a worldwide society which cannot function without a head. Nor does the personal loss of faith necessarily impede his headship of the Church. Therefore they argue, for the sake of the Church as a whole, God preserves the Pope's headship until the highest competent Church authorities can make a public declaration of his heresy (to prevent public chaos in the Church), and then and only then does God depose him. No such declaration has been made since Vatican II.
 
Sedevacantists also love Canon 188.4 which states that public defection from the faith on the part of a cleric means automatic loss of his office. But many other Canons and the other sections of Canon 188 clearly show that this “public defection” must include the cleric's intent to resign by such acts as, for instance, attempting marriage or joining a sect,  and also there must be a warning and official monitions before the cleric loses his office. Common justice calls it the right of self-defence.
 
In fact Fr Chazal presents a multitude of arguments which prove the human wisdom and patience of Mother Church in dealing with faulty ministers. For the sake of the Church as a whole, it is not only the Pope who does not have his head immediately cut off, as sedevacantists seem to think. The wheels of God may grind exceeding small but they also grind slowly, as the proverb says.  
 
If anybody wishes to learn just how little the position of the sedevacantists is binding on Catholics, by all means let them read this brief and entertaining study by Fr Chazal.
 
                                                                     +Richard Williamson,  Broadstairs, 20 February, 2018.
 


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Contra Cekadam
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2018, 07:39:49 AM »
Yes, people routinely misconstrue Father Chazal's position as being anti-sedevacantist.  He lashed out only against DOGMATIC sedevacantism, but was theologically sympathetic towards the general arguments behind it, conceding right out of the gate that the V2 popes are indeed manifest heretics.  Yet he pointed out the problems with straight sedevacantism, and at the same time took some jabs at traditional R&R ... coming to rest at what can be described as something akin to sedeprivationism.

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Re: Contra Cekadam
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2018, 11:40:36 AM »
I forgot to upload his latest publications --

Re: Contra Cekadam
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2018, 11:50:47 AM »
I don't know about Ladislaus's comments regarding Fr. Chazal and his take on sedevacantism. (Ladislaus has spread the idea that Fr. Chazal is a sedeprivationist).  Fr. Chazal's video and what I understood from it just took Fr. Hesse's argument that cuм Ex Apostolatus was only Church law regarding a papal election and can and has been modified. Then Fr. Chazal tossed out the classic material-formal heretic argument (as the R and R has done to modify their stance since Francis!), which Fr. Hesse certainly believed. Fr. Hesse also said he would become a sedevacantist if any pope ever canonized Luther (which leads me to believe he would be a sedevacantist or sedeprivationist today).

Problem was that Fr. Chazal equates Fr. Cakada to be a sedeprovationist because Fr. Cekada says that Francis couldn't have lost a papacy he never would have had due to a faulty election. Then he mislabels this as sedeprivationism. I prefer to follow the line of thought of Fr. Hesse than both Frs. Chazal and Cekada, personally. But as for what Fr. Chazal says in the video I post, I don't think he has any clear and organized argument against Fr. Cekada (especially being his misunderstanding of the Cassiacuм Thesis).