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Offline parentsfortruth

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Contemplating the Revolution in Mexico
« on: October 08, 2013, 11:14:20 AM »
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  • In light of recent developments that I've learned of, I've made my own observation. Some of you might vehemently disagree with me, but this is what I've concluded.

    The people continuing to support and attend Mass at various (obviously in trouble) SSPX mass centers, are, to me, no different than the people supporting the priests that made "agreements" with the Freemasonic government, to continue to say Mass "with permission" and "in good standing" with the Mexican Freemason government at the time.

    "What will we do without the Mass?" ignoring the blatant facts that prove that they're leading souls to hell.

    Why -my- change in rhetoric? Well, because I've learned that they're teaching, to the older kids at our church, the "Catechism of the Crisis in the Church."

    Also, I've observed one SSPX tactic that maybe most people aren't aware of... or maybe some here have already figured out.

    I've seen no less than four mass sites (that I know of) that were independent (or very longstanding) that are either being sold, with the SSPX being the benefactor of such a transaction, or they're working toward a "preliminary agreement" with aged men that are those that are in financial control of such properties, waiting for them to die, so they can "make their move."

    I'll mention only two. Father Carley's church out in Ohio, once Father Carley dies, despite some protest from individuals at that Church that know what's going on, is being given over to the SSPX.

    Most people are aware of the Floridian Church sale(s) that are pending down there.

    I know of two others, and maybe you can deduce where these two places are, and now really understand why I'm saying what I'm saying now.

    If I make enemies here, so be it, but this is my own personal observation, and --- things are looking very bleak here now. Please pray for us.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #1 on: October 08, 2013, 11:29:40 AM »
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  • I am not a massive of the 'like' or 'dislike' feature but I like the above comment.  Chapels, independent of the SSPX are necessary and have always existed. Given what is happening in the SSPX, it would be advisable for existing Independent chapels to remain Independent.

    Smaller geographical locations have not the privilege of an Independent Mass. Ireland for example has been very much Indult or SSPX so there hasn't been many Independent chapels. A few here and there.

    With the crisis and new direction of the SSPX, I would be against giving that Society a chapel.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 08, 2013, 11:41:14 AM »
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    SSPX mass centers


    Bishop Fellay, Fr N Pfluger and their associate Dr Krah will be the ones, who determine the future of SSPX Mass centre's. They run the SSPX so up to them.If a business decision to close a chapel or purchase a chapel needed, trust the board.

    As Fr Pfluger reminded the Irish, be thankful for the Mass and do not cut yourselves off like Lutherans.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 08, 2013, 11:44:05 AM »
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  • All four of these independent churches' (and SSPX mass sites that are not independent) properties, are worth LOTS of money. One's next door to a country club. One's right off a river, with houses worth several million dollars lining the street on the way. The two in Florida, as Florida's land prices are extremely high, are worth lots of money. The other one is in a northeastern state and worth whole lots of money.

    FOLLOW THE MONEY!
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #4 on: October 08, 2013, 11:48:10 AM »
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    All four of these independent churches' (and SSPX mass sites that are not independent) properties, are worth LOTS of money. One's next door to a country club. One's right off a river, with houses worth several million dollars lining the street on the way. The two in Florida, as Florida's land prices are extremely high, are worth lots of money. The other one is in a northeastern state and worth whole lots of money.

    FOLLOW THE MONEY!


    I have an idea for you. There is a guy called Oren Heiman. Perhaps he could assist in purchasing these properties and present them as a gift. Don't trouble yourself parentsfortruth. The country club sounds lovely. Fr Rostand could tee off with Max and have a laugh at the crazy resistance.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 11:52:51 AM »
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    FOLLOW THE MONEY!


    As the late Oliver J. Flanagan stated "Where the bees are there is the honey, and where the Jєωs are there is the money".

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    « Reply #6 on: October 08, 2013, 01:05:03 PM »
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    Why -my- change in rhetoric? Well, because I've learned that they're teaching, to the older kids at our church, the "Catechism of the Crisis in the Church."



    What in the world do you find objectionable to the "Catechism of the Crisis in the Church?"

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    « Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 02:04:24 PM »
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  • I should have mentioned the reason why this bothered me.

    There was a very learned man that had been preparing a class for the teenage boys for several months, regarding how to keep one's faith in the world the way it is. At the very last moment, he was told that he must teach this instead or they were going to get rid of him as a teacher. There was never a mention of this until (maximum) two weeks before class started, and after all that preparation, he was shoved aside.

    I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this book. The way the situation was handled here was absolutely not appropriate, and since this particular person has concerns about how things were going at our Church (as far as the SSPX taking over), this was an easy excuse to get rid of him from the position. "He won't teach what we want him to teach, so he's out," even though they had months to tell him that was their intention to teach this specific thing, instead of making him prepare for as long as he did, with no indication that he would be teaching something else, up until a couple of weeks before the class was to begin.

    It's just another one of those strongarm tactics that we've seen over and over again, at other mass sites, with volunteer positions being ousted out because of their stance on things. THAT is why it bothered me, not that the text is objectionable.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #8 on: October 08, 2013, 02:13:19 PM »
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  • parentsfortruth

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    It's just another one of those strongarm tactics that we've seen over and over again, at other mass sites, with volunteer positions being ousted out because of their stance on things. THAT is why it bothered me, not that the text is objectionable.



    It's rough and you dislike but it but it has to be done. Even Fr Morgan had to strong arm to ensure the "Great One" was not asked a question. The cheek of the Irish biddy to ask questions of Bishop Fellay? I speculate but Fr M had to do it.

    Money has gone towards the new direction, the new image. It's understandable. There is too much to lose.Too much at stake. Do you seriously  believe Bishop Fellay, Dr Krah and the gang are going to let a crowd of head bangers to ruin things?

    The neo SSPX is the new cool.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 08, 2013, 02:19:12 PM »
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  • Herr Krah, a business partner of Bishop Fellay has been very clear, who they want and don't want at their chapels.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 08, 2013, 08:38:33 PM »
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    I should have mentioned the reason why this bothered me.

    There was a very learned man that had been preparing a class for the teenage boys for several months, regarding how to keep one's faith in the world the way it is. At the very last moment, he was told that he must teach this instead or they were going to get rid of him as a teacher. There was never a mention of this until (maximum) two weeks before class started, and after all that preparation, he was shoved aside.

    I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this book. The way the situation was handled here was absolutely not appropriate, and since this particular person has concerns about how things were going at our Church (as far as the SSPX taking over), this was an easy excuse to get rid of him from the position. "He won't teach what we want him to teach, so he's out," even though they had months to tell him that was their intention to teach this specific thing, instead of making him prepare for as long as he did, with no indication that he would be teaching something else, up until a couple of weeks before the class was to begin.

    It's just another one of those strongarm tactics that we've seen over and over again, at other mass sites, with volunteer positions being ousted out because of their stance on things. THAT is why it bothered me, not that the text is objectionable.


    This is a perfect example of how easily emotions rule the day. However "learned" this man is, whatever he has prepared would in all probability not be as good as the Catechism in question. It is an excellent book taught in most of the SSPX schools.

    In all my years as an SSPX faithful, this scene has been played out over and over. Someone has their own ideas about how things should go, either a chapel coordinator or teacher, and they get their feelings hurt when an authority decides otherwise. It's just pride. So you go ahead and pull your kids out of the class and stop going to Mass, cut your nose off to spite your face, and see where it gets you in the long run. I am an older parent of many children. I can tell you from painful experience, it does not pay. Not for the child, not for the parent.

    This world is going pagan and more pagan by the minute. Get down on your knees and thank God you have what you have and stop looking of perfection. It does not exist outside of the Mass. I warn you now, if you take your children away from the sacraments and the Mass, you will lose them.
    You resistance folk are never going to be happy. You have been caught up in that whirlpool of agitation that sucks everything down to Hell. If there are people in charge with bad intentions, God will take care of them. We need to pray harder, and do more sacrificing. How many of you say all 15 decades of the rosary as Bishop Williamson always asks folks to do?


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    « Reply #11 on: October 08, 2013, 09:12:07 PM »
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  • It was an excuse to boot him out of teaching the class after months of preparation. Slice it anyway you want. They had months to tell him they wanted him to teach that book.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #12 on: October 08, 2013, 09:16:58 PM »
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    You resistance folk are never going to be happy. You have been caught up in that whirlpool of agitation that sucks everything down to Hell. ... How many of you say all 15 decades of the rosary as Bishop Williamson always asks folks to do?


    It was a good post until you got to here. This is just the sort of nonsense that will get you banned from here and if you really care about the people you're talking to, it seems you'd want to avoid that.

    As for me, I only manage 5 except on rare occassion  :pray: Do you have some pointers on how to fit more rosary time into the life of a busy parent? I know the truth that you make time for what is important, but there's probably some good ideas that would make it easier.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 08, 2013, 09:24:55 PM »
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    It was an excuse to boot him out of teaching the class after months of preparation. Slice it anyway you want. They had months to tell him they wanted him to teach that book.


    Why not stay and teach the book? Was that an option?
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    « Reply #14 on: October 09, 2013, 07:59:21 AM »
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  • My using a question mark in the comment mentioning Fr Morgan was deliberate. I don't believe for a minute he regarded the woman as an "Irish biddy". My point really was to highlight that even one of the better SSPX priests has to strong arm. The "Great One" didn't want questions asked so Fr M obviously had to step in and prevent discussion. I don't  hold it against him. He is a priest of the rebranded SSPX. Saving face is all par for the course.