Author Topic: Constant Moving of American SSPX Priests (Read 4590 times)

bowler · « **on:** November 04, 2012, 04:30:33 AM »

All of the great American priests I have come in contact with during the last 10 years in the SSPX, keep being constantly moved around. I'm talking about practically every priest I've known. I'm certainthat this is done on purpose, in order to keep the priests from developing a following. I believe that as time goes by, many of the great American priests that will be leaving the Neo-SSPX, will be leaving because they know that they are being jerked around on purpose.

There is another side to this constant moving of American priests, the chapels in my state, that the SSPX took over from a independent priests, have been dying every since they were taken over. Some are already closed, and others will soon be closed. The constant stream of foreign accent priests, combined with the moving of the good American priests, has emptied out the chapels. They have killed what was built by the independent priest.

Anyone experience the same?

P.S.- by great American priest, I mean the priests that have the ability to inspire, to build churces, and to fill them. Those American priests that are constantly being moved.

Aragon · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2012, 05:00:41 AM »

Which chapels are emptying out and being shut down? Whatever your position on the deal it looks to me as if the SSPX in America is growing. They've got a lot of seminarians and they just opened a priory in Chicago and another in Nicholville.

s2srea · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2012, 08:40:46 AM »

I'm not sure where you're going with this either Bowler. Wasn't it the policy of even the Church prior to VII to move priests around for practical reasons? And I, for one, have yet to see a foreign priest, apart from Fr. Rostand or a visiting one. If a great priest I love is moved, it can be upsetting, but understandable.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2012, 09:57:33 AM »

This is a very important topic. I don't have a lot of info to offer, but I might
suggest looking at the history behind Fr. Hector Bolduc, and Fr. Rizzo and Fr.
David Hewko, for starters. I would add to that Fr. Ward, who was just moved
from his 16-year, most effective pastorship in Arcadia, CA, to Chicago, to be
with Bishop Tissier de Mallerais at the priory there.

I'm sure Fr. Ward and the Bishop will be good company for each other, but
that's not exactly their 'highest and best use' would be (term from Real Estate
appraisal vocabulary). For there are numerous broken hearts left behind for
both of these fine priests, and therefore I can't but wonder at how sorely
pierced their own hearts must feel. They must have a very personal and
'heartfelt' compassion for ...

Our Lady of Sorrows!

TraditionalistThomas · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2012, 10:39:31 AM »

I don't really understand the original question, but the SSPX is shifting priests around at the moment, for normal reasons. They do it every several years.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2012, 11:16:35 AM »

3 priests in less than 3 years here.

Mea Culpa · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2012, 07:11:39 PM »

Now, I don't trust anything that comes out of the neo-SSPX factory. You just need to take look back at all the things they've done since ABL started the SSPX. By their fruits, you shall know them.

Pablo · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2012, 07:22:11 PM »

SSPX Priests are Missionary Priests.

They get moved.

Often.

That's just part of life for them.

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Pablo · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2012, 07:38:38 PM »

Speaking of Priests.

There is much a Priest must do an be.

A Papal Encyclical deals with this:

AD CATHOLICI SACERDOTII

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11CATHO.HTM

One thing a Priest should not have to deal with is the constant complaining of Holy Ones about one or more of the Priest's Sheep.

"He or She did this!"

or

"He or she did that now!"

It is something those Faithful should be too ashamed to do.

Constant bickering and complaining about how sinful his sheep are.

A Padre that shows up before our Divine Master surrounded on all sides by us poor sinners is a Padre that has made it to Heaven.

The constant complaining about the sinners.

And these are Catholic people doing it no less.

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bowler · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2012, 09:16:46 PM »

Quote from: TraditionalistThomas

I don't really understand the original question, but the SSPX is shifting priests around at the moment, for normal reasons. They do it every several years.

I believe that they are jerking the great American priests around, moving them constantly so that they don't develope a following. Look at Fr. Joseph Pfiieffer, why was he not left in Denver? Why was Timothy Pfieffer moved from Ridgefileld, then moved from the school New York? Fr. Young gets moved practically every year it looks like, where is he now? Bishop Williamson moved from Winona, then from Argentina.

I'm saying that the great priests are not allowed to stay in one place for very long. It looks to me like they will not do the same with the priests that they know they can control. American priests should work in the USA, Spanish speaking priests in South America, and let the French go to French countries. If there are too many French, send them to missions where there are not enough local priests.

I don't think the SSPX is growing. I don't think it is growing because they are not placing the best priests in positions of authority, but instead placing priests that they can trust to follow orders. It's like the communists, they get rid of anyone that can replace them.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #10 on:** November 04, 2012, 10:55:09 PM »

From past experiences of Novus Ordo, priests were moved around to cover up sɛҳuąƖ abuse. Later, priests were being strategically moved around to get around the canon law to close down Churches and merge parishes. Canon law was abused. Canon law stated that only a pastor can close down a parish with good reason.

Recently, bishops of Novus Ordo are being moved around to avoid prosecution for cover up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse.

As far as french priest wiht french people, spanish priests with spanish people. That is wrong and a sin against God.

We are all Catholics. The Latin Mass unifies us all.

Machabees · « **Reply #11 on:** November 04, 2012, 11:10:17 PM »

Other than the present SSPX-crisis of moving non-accordant priests (and Bishops) around, I do know that such moves are for, especially after ordinations:

Bringing the young priests under the experience of seasoned priests, therefore bumping up others to more growth of other priories, missions, and promotions to higher posts and or duties.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #12 on:** November 05, 2012, 01:47:07 AM »

Quote from: bowler

Why was Timothy Pfieffer moved from Ridgefileld, then moved from the school New York?

I don't know about the others, but Fr. T Pfeiffer was in El Paso to head the Brothers' Novitiate and then was moved to the school in NY when the brothers were relocated to Winona. I had the impression he was in El Paso for a decent number of years, but that was before my time.

As for the transfer to Asia, I have no idea, but wouldn't find it terribly shocking if he had expressed a desire to do such missionary work, especially considering his brother was already there.

bowler · « **Reply #13 on:** November 05, 2012, 07:59:26 AM »

Quote from: MaterDominici

Quote from: bowler
Why was Timothy Pfieffer moved from Ridgefileld, then moved from the school New York?

I don't know about the others, but Fr. T Pfeiffer was in El Paso to head the Brothers' Novitiate and then was moved to the school in NY when the brothers were relocated to Winona. I had the impression he was in El Paso for a decent number of years, but that was before my time.

As for the transfer to Asia, I have no idea, but wouldn't find it terribly shocking if he had expressed a desire to do such missionary work, especially considering his brother was already there.

I know that Fr. T. Pfieffer was at Ridgefield in like 1998, till almost 2004.

bowler · « **Reply #14 on:** November 05, 2012, 08:11:32 AM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

As far as french priest wiht french people, spanish priests with spanish people. That is wrong and a sin against God.

We are all Catholics. The Latin Mass unifies us all.

Then the Church has been sinning for 2000 years, for that is the way it always was. I think that you immediately thought this was some kind of a "racist" remark that I made. You are getting it all wrong. The sermons and the confessions, and the advice, needs someone that knows the language, and the customs. It is preferable.

You could find the RARE exceptions, a French priest in America who is a great sermonist, advisor, leader, is not set in his ways/customs, and speaks the language understandible. AND you could have an American priest who is bad at all those traits. However, that does not change what I said, for it would be preferable for the French priest to be in France.