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Offline John Grace

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Consequences of Supporting the Resistance
« on: December 21, 2013, 04:12:01 PM »
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    In fact, I feel like quite an outcast at my SSPX chapel every Sunday I go there. I can feel the judgement and coldness from those who don't like or don't support the Resistance. Plus I'm still banned from the choir for promoting the Resistance and open discussion of SSPX events on CathInfo in the early days of the Resistance.


    I still maintain the vast bulk of SSPX laity are very anti resistance. A good example here of what happens when you support the resistance.

    What stands to Matthew and family is they have principle.


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    « Reply #1 on: December 21, 2013, 04:22:56 PM »
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  • SSPX laity just seem to be happy to be taken fools of.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 21, 2013, 10:53:05 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:Marginalization.  If I show up, I hear Mass, I leave.  If I vanish, no one will notice. :dancing-banana:
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #3 on: December 22, 2013, 02:06:52 AM »
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  • What is the definition of not supporting the resistance.

    Can one support the resistance but go to sspx mass as this is the only one available?


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #4 on: December 22, 2013, 02:31:06 AM »
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    I am afraid to speak my mind among many SSPX regulars because they'll pigeon-hole anyone pretty quick.  I prefer just to ask pointed questions.  

    The fact that asking questions makes Fellayites uncomfortable is proof enough that they're on a sandy foundation.  Since when is asking honest questions not okay?  

    I like to see if anyone can name some specific "Internet rumours" that they've heard being identified.  That usually stops their thoughts real fast.  You get a lot of hemming and hawing.  But don't give up, just wait a while, and then ask someone else the same question.  And when someone says they know one, you should congratulate them, and repeat it back to them so they can hear that you're listening to them, and then ask who said it, and when, and under what situation and in what context, and what the reaction of the listeners was.  I expect that they won't have any of those answers, which tends to show that they're just imagining that they heard an 'Internet rumour' being identified.

    You can keep it vague, to be less obvious, and ask if someone can help you in your confusion because you've heard that we shouldn't pay attention to 'Internet rumours' but you really have no idea what kind of thing might qualify, and if anyone has some kind of example for you that it would really help, so you won't FEEL SO CONFUSED.  It's all about your feelings, you know.

    It might do them some good to start thinking about the questions, because you can be absolutely sure they're not going to hear the questions from the pulpit.  But when they have some good questions in mind, they can start to become aware that everything they do hear from the pulpit is directed at diverting attention AWAY from these questions!  

    THAT, however, isn't really a question.  But it could be made into one:  "Why do you think that you have not heard Father (XX) ask that question in one of his sermons, like whether asking for examples of 'Internet rumours' is a good idea or not, and if not, why we shouldn't ask for examples?"

    Once again, it is ESSENTIAL that you DO NOT raise your voice.  Fellayites get really nervous when they hear loudly pronounced pertinent questions being asked.  They'll LABEL you immediately in their minds and you'll never be able to lose that earmark.  


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    « Reply #5 on: December 22, 2013, 05:59:14 AM »
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    What is the definition of not supporting the resistance.

    Can one support the resistance but go to sspx mass as this is the only one available?



    http://www.therecusant.com/resistance-objections
    A.M.D.G.


    A Catechism of the Resistance
    OR

    Some Common Objections Answered

    Offline Frances

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    « Reply #6 on: December 22, 2013, 03:44:10 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    Partially right!  Frances is a misfit, weirdo, manic-depressive, lacking social skills. Bp. Williamson is very right-wing.  Fr. Chazal admits to being immature and disorganised.  He isn't so good with money, either, in that he took the wrong cheque to the Philippines, and somehow, it was successfully cashed, unlike the cheque for the Philippines--rejected by the bank in the US!  But, I must protest the characterisation of Fr. Pfeiffer.  He isn't a charlatan, although he does have a New York sense of humor.  (effect of St. Michael the Archangel?)  He doesn't steal money.  Instead, he gives it all away.  I know.  I've been a grateful recipient.  He is not into cute, cuddly kittens; real men are not into cats.  He is cruel to mice, rats, and black widow spiders that invade his quarters.  Nothing unusual there.  He likes dogs and ailing potbellied pigs.  
    So now, I dare anyone to find similar fault with Fr. Hewko!  
    I'm off to Mass in PA!  Yeah!
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    « Reply #7 on: December 22, 2013, 04:34:58 PM »
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    SSPX laity just seem to be happy to be taken fools of.


    Yes but, as it was explained to me, some (at least some) aren't trying to "not rock the boat" out of fear of Fellay persecution, but because they fear they'll lose Mass entirely. I'm not saying that's positive or good, but people get older and really, a lot of them probably just want to go a few more years with Mass that's not "officially condemned".

    We younger folks can take the heat. I can pack up my bags and MOVE if Mass ends in my area. I can stand by my husband and children and many friends and roll my eyes at the infiltrators who think all their secret meetings are doing anything but chasing people away (they're not; they look stupid like a cult; and they're embarrassing. Man I hope they GROW OUT of these "secret mission" things; this is not Mission:Impossible or whatever that spy movie is.  :facepalm: )

    But older or otherwise needy laity don't have those luxuries. And we've heard more than once, "we're with you but can't be seen with you". It used to make me mad, but then cooler heads prevailed (my husband's): many laity really just want to have Mass without drama. Yes, they know they're dropping the ball, but they (in my opinion) pray about it and do what they can. Very privately. I say to pray for the anti-resistance folks who "take names" like they are Santa Claus. They obviously need the extra help. (Turning the Church into some spy game, puh-lease.)

    Frances: men not into kittens?  :sad:

    I'll pray for cat-disliking men, too, then. (I thought everyone liked cats! Hey, they were on the Ark! Yes they were! God LOVES cats. —just sayin. :) )

    Happy Advent everyone!
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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    « Reply #8 on: December 22, 2013, 05:08:06 PM »
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    I'll pray for cat-disliking men, too, then. (I thought everyone liked cats! Hey, they were on the Ark! Yes they were! God LOVES cats. —just sayin. :) )


    In my experience, most men who dislike cats just aren't working the barbecue right. Here's a recipe I found on http://catrecipes.com

    I would suggest mesquite over hickory for newbies.

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    Beer Can Cat - Includes a Beverage!

    1 Cat
    1 Can of beer (any brand)
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    Mix spices and rub over cat. Drink half the can of beer and then place beer can into rear of cat and stand cat tripod-like on BBQ. Rotate in 30 minutes. Cook for a total of one hour.

    Smoke flavouring helps.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 22, 2013, 06:14:18 PM »
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    SSPX laity just seem to be happy to be taken fools of.


    Yes but, as it was explained to me, some (at least some) aren't trying to "not rock the boat" out of fear of Fellay persecution, but because they fear they'll lose Mass entirely. I'm not saying that's positive or good, but people get older and really, a lot of them probably just want to go a few more years with Mass that's not "officially condemned".

    We younger folks can take the heat. I can pack up my bags and MOVE if Mass ends in my area. I can stand by my husband and children and many friends and roll my eyes at the infiltrators who think all their secret meetings are doing anything but chasing people away (they're not; they look stupid like a cult; and they're embarrassing. Man I hope they GROW OUT of these "secret mission" things; this is not Mission:Impossible or whatever that spy movie is.  :facepalm: )

    But older or otherwise needy laity don't have those luxuries. And we've heard more than once, "we're with you but can't be seen with you". It used to make me mad, but then cooler heads prevailed (my husband's): many laity really just want to have Mass without drama. Yes, they know they're dropping the ball, but they (in my opinion) pray about it and do what they can. Very privately. I say to pray for the anti-resistance folks who "take names" like they are Santa Claus. They obviously need the extra help. (Turning the Church into some spy game, puh-lease.)

    Frances: men not into kittens?  :sad:

    I'll pray for cat-disliking men, too, then. (I thought everyone liked cats! Hey, they were on the Ark! Yes they were! God LOVES cats. —just sayin. :) )

    Happy Advent everyone!


    A Happy Advent and Christmas to you.Your analysis is correct.Most SSPX laity are "happy out" to have the Mass and anti resistance.Fr Pfluger was effective in Ireland.He warned laity not to cut themselves off from the Mass.

    Many SSPX laity don't want drama so disregard truth and doctrine.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 22, 2013, 06:24:47 PM »
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    And we've heard more than once, "we're with you but can't be seen with you


    Yeah right.Those that say that are making excuses.They are not for the resistance.They will never leave neo sspx chapels.

    Excuses and BS.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 22, 2013, 07:01:22 PM »
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  • When you ain't got nothing, you ain't got nothing to loose.

    The majority of the SSPXers that go with the flow, do so because they don't want to lose something they are getting (schools, schooling, chapels)

    If the SSPX did not own the buildings, it would be a different story. The SSPX laity are not loyal to any cause but their own comfort.

    The Resistance people on the other hand give up ALL of their comfort for a cause.

     

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    « Reply #12 on: December 22, 2013, 08:26:13 PM »
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  • I attended Bishop Williamson's conference when he came to town, when I went to my local sspx chapel a few weeks later my priest told me he saw me on you tube at the Williamson conference, I guess he thought I would be embarrassed as if he caught me doing something bad...stone faced I told him that I had asked Williamson a question and at the end of the day I'm not happy with them or the SSPX since I'm a sede and I disagree with their stances not to mention their beliefs on implicit faith, the priest is happy that I'm not leaving the chapel since some others have left for the resistance, for now I'll keep on attending the sspx masses and the resistance ones when they come to town....although now I'm told some of the resistance priests totally condemn sede's.....it's not easy trying to find a valid mass with my beliefs

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    « Reply #13 on: December 22, 2013, 09:29:16 PM »
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  • It's bizarre...They readily admit the AFD is liberal and needs to be forgotten...they know it was signed by HEBF...even Bp Fellay says that the deal, he agreed to, was awful and that it was providential that it fell through....But he still persecutes those who warned him...People are essentially shunning the priests who saved the SSPX fm 1. making a terrible mistake..and 2. by extension, simply pointed-out the incompetent leadership we have in the SSPX..Of course that's the part that has Bp Fellay and Jaidhoffer Found money-man Max Krah ( a Mossad infiltrator in the SSPX which, of course, really necessitates Fellay's resignation since anyone so lacking in wisdom that he would associate with such enemies is really no longer ( if he ever was ) qualified to run a traditional Catholic organization..) so upset... :idea:

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    « Reply #14 on: December 23, 2013, 06:41:48 AM »
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    When you ain't got nothing, you ain't got nothing to loose.

    The majority of the SSPXers that go with the flow, do so because they don't want to lose something they are getting (schools, schooling, chapels)

    If the SSPX did not own the buildings, it would be a different story. The SSPX laity are not loyal to any cause but their own comfort.

    The Resistance people on the other hand give up ALL of their comfort for a cause.

     


    A good analysis. I agree. The majority of SSPX laity favour their own comfort. The resistance, made up of priests and laity,who have always been fighters, fight for an ideal, a cause.

    I still believe the bulk of SSPX  will go with the flow. Many SSPX laity were liberals to begin with.

    In contrast the resistance is a noble and holy crusade which has the blessing of Almighty God and continues the mission of Archbishop Lefebvre.

    The resistance stands in the same tradition of the Cristeros in Mexico.