Author Topic: Consecration of Phoenix church (Read 3241 times)

Marlelar · « **on:** September 13, 2015, 04:32:55 PM »

It was over 5 hrs long.

ChurchCat7 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 24, 2015, 08:42:56 PM »

It is really sad how this whole thing finished up
The church that Fr. Burfitt envisioned when the building project started
is nothing like the sterile empty church you see now

No wonder Bishop Olmsted commented on how beautiful it is ...it is a totally modern church . No statues ,no color, no stained glass, a crucifix no bigger then 10in high & The stations are 20ft above the pews.

There is NO plan to bring over any of the statuary from the old chapel nor the portrait of St. Pius X that at present hangs in the old chapel as well

The alter sits as to make it very easy to just turn everything around for a novus ordo Mass There is NOTHING in that church that signifies a devotion to Our Lady Of Sorrows..........or Our Lady at all for that matter

It is heartbreaking

trento · « **Reply #2 on:** September 25, 2015, 10:58:30 AM »

Quote from: ChurchCat7

It is really sad how this whole thing finished up
The church that Fr. Burfitt envisioned when the building project started
is nothing like the sterile empty church you see now

No wonder Bishop Olmsted commented on how beautiful it is ...it is a totally modern church . No statues ,no color, no stained glass, a crucifix no bigger then 10in high & The stations are 20ft above the pews.

There is NO plan to bring over any of the statuary from the old chapel nor the portrait of St. Pius X that at present hangs in the old chapel as well

The alter sits as to make it very easy to just turn everything around for a novus ordo Mass There is NOTHING in that church that signifies a devotion to Our Lady Of Sorrows..........or Our Lady at all for that matter

It is heartbreaking

You do know that this is a new building and more decorations will be coming soon right?

And what on earth are you talking about the altar being very easy to be turned around? Just because it has a baldachinno? Did you see the gradines?

ChurchCat7 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 25, 2015, 07:32:59 PM »

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You do know that this is a new building and more decorations will be coming soon right?

If only that were all true

There is statuary in the old church and like I said it is not coming over
When asked Fr. said " No clutter "..... In the original plans there was an altar that had a place for Our Lady Of Sorrows
that statue was very important to the parish they were told it was going over
baldachinno or no baldachinno it is constructed so placing any statue of any size is impossible EVEN in the side altars

And please tell me what being a new church building has to do with the stations being 20-25 feet in the air ...parishioners actually asked if the were any stations of the cross at all and had to have them pointed out

Marlelar · « **Reply #4 on:** September 26, 2015, 01:53:20 PM »

I didn't know that the statues were not going to be installed in the new church! I know that the windows are a future project because they are very expensive.

Although the new altar would not lend itself to having a statue above it as it was in the old church, there are plenty of other places where it could be placed.

ChurchCat7 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 26, 2015, 04:52:15 PM »

Quote from: Marlelar

Although the new altar would not lend itself to having a statue above it as it was in the old church, there are plenty of other places where it could be placed.

Your right BUT the congregation was told from the pulpit that it be in the new church .Sooo technically if Our Lady were placed it in the quasi vestibule across from the Pietà next to the bathrooms it would still be in the church but even that as sad as that would be unless Fr. changes his mind is not happening

Oh and you mentioned the "gradines" ....you do know that is a 2 piece altar right ?

now if one were to remover the "gradines" what would it resemble ? ....a table

I type this with all due respect I mean in no way to be sarcastic I am angry and heartbroken and coming off as such

Marlelar · « **Reply #6 on:** September 27, 2015, 05:28:46 PM »

I'm not happy with the outcome either. But I meant that there is plenty of room in the front for the statue of OLS. And there are niches behind the small tabernacles on the side altars. Perhaps there are plans for statues there eventually.

Marlelar · « **Reply #7 on:** September 27, 2015, 05:33:49 PM »

ChurchCat7, do you know what those red circles are on the wall? I saw them being blessed during the consecration but never heard any explanation as to what they were.

trento · « **Reply #8 on:** September 29, 2015, 12:57:21 AM »

Quote from: Marlelar

I didn't know that the statues were not going to be installed in the new church! I know that the windows are a future project because they are very expensive.

Although the new altar would not lend itself to having a statue above it as it was in the old church, there are plenty of other places where it could be placed.

I can see a statue of Our Lady directly on the baldachinno. As of now, I do agree the church still looks pretty bare, but I'm quite certain more will be done as time goes by to improve the appearance, such as ceiling and wall stencils.

songbird · « **Reply #9 on:** September 29, 2015, 02:03:30 PM »

There is talk, that when the church was consecrated, the altars were incensed. BUT the incensing was not done with the incesors(?) but bowls place on altar and side altars. Any comments to that?

Henry101 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 29, 2015, 03:46:29 PM »

Quote from: songbird

There is talk, that when the church was consecrated, the altars were incensed. BUT the incensing was not done with the incesors(?) but bowls place on altar and side altars. Any comments to that?

The bowls was used to collect the burning chips that are used during the consecration. The main alter and the side alters were blessed with incense using a censer.

It's very sad how many of you are bashing this magnificent church that will also be used to form the souls of a large school and retreat center yet have no problem with your independent priests celebrating the Perfect and Holy Sacrifice of the Mass on buffet cabinets in bedrooms.

And, what does "there is talk" mean? If people have nothing better to do than criticize the tiny details of a 5 hour long ceremony, then I fear we have lost all sense of charity...

The church is absolutely beautiful and a fitting dwelling place for Our Lord. Let us pray that countless souls are formed in the church and God is glorified continuously.

songbird · « **Reply #11 on:** September 29, 2015, 05:00:31 PM »

Thank you for your reply. Now I can set some people straight.

ChurchCat7 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2015, 01:16:24 AM »

Quote from: Henry101

Quote from: songbird
There is talk, that when the church was consecrated, the altars were incensed. BUT the incensing was not done with the incesors(?) but bowls place on altar and side altars. Any comments to that?

The bowls was used to collect the burning chips that are used during the consecration. The main alter and the side alters were blessed with incense using a censer.

It's very sad how many of you are bashing this magnificent church that will also be used to form the souls of a large school and retreat center yet have no problem with your independent priests celebrating the Perfect and Holy Sacrifice of the Mass on buffet cabinets in bedrooms.

And, what does "there is talk" mean? If people have nothing better to do than criticize the tiny details of a 5 hour long ceremony, then I fear we have lost all sense of charity...

The church is absolutely beautiful and a fitting dwelling place for Our Lord. Let us pray that countless souls are formed in the church and God is glorified continuously.

1) You are absolutely right . people don't seem to "criticize Mass on buffet cabinets in bedrooms." reason being ..more often then not there is no other option . There was on the other hand many ,many options in the building of this church ...just off hand they could have stuck to the interior plans laid out by Father Burfitt the very plans BTW that were used when most of the building fund pledges were made

2) no one was as far as I can see criticizing the consecration ceremony. The criticism is about the changes made without a word and promises broken to the very parishioners who by and large built the church ( I can name about 4 right off the bat)

ChurchCat7 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2015, 01:59:58 AM »

Quote from: trento

I can see a statue of Our Lady directly on the baldachinno. As of now, I do agree the church still looks pretty bare, but I'm quite certain more will be done as time goes by to improve the appearance, such as ceiling and wall stencils.

The statue of Our Lady on the very top of the baldacchino is a far cry from the statue of Our Lady of Sorrows on the altar in the old church . In no way does it lend itself to devotion or veneration it is more along the lines of holy decorations.

Antony · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2015, 09:35:01 PM »

Quote from: Henry101

Quote from: songbird
There is talk, that when the church was consecrated, the altars were incensed. BUT the incensing was not done with the incesors(?) but bowls place on altar and side altars. Any comments to that?

The bowls was used to collect the burning chips that are used during the consecration. The main alter and the side alters were blessed with incense using a censer.

It's very sad how many of you are bashing this magnificent church that will also be used to form the souls of a large school and retreat center yet have no problem with your independent priests celebrating the Perfect and Holy Sacrifice of the Mass on buffet cabinets in bedrooms.

And, what does "there is talk" mean? If people have nothing better to do than criticize the tiny details of a 5 hour long ceremony, then I fear we have lost all sense of charity...

The church is absolutely beautiful and a fitting dwelling place for Our Lord. Let us pray that countless souls are formed in the church and God is glorified continuously.

Finally somebody with enough guts to stand up against the resistance folks. Some resistance folks come across as "holier than thou." Us regular SSPX folks have all the sudden become Vatican II modernists, right?