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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Matthew on March 18, 2016, 11:49:18 PM
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Stay Tuned!
Hopefully we'll get pictures from CentroAmerica.
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Stay Tuned!
Hopefully we'll get pictures from CentroAmerica.
Will tacos and mashed taters be served at the reception?
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Stay Tuned!
Hopefully we'll get pictures from CentroAmerica.
Will tacos and mashed taters be served at the reception?
http://flavorsofbrazil.blogspot.in/2010/10/picadinho-brazils-second-favorite-dish.html
Picadinho – Brazil’s Second-favorite dish
Article first published as Picadinho - Brazil's Second-favorite dish on Blogcritics.
There’s no such thing as a National Dish. Most countries have a National Bird, a National Symbol and a National Anthem, all establish by act of law, but in most regions of the globe legislators have other things on their minds than arguing about what dish best represents their national spirit. That’s not to say that there’s no such thing as a small-case national dish – one that almost everyone inside a country holds dear, and one that foreigners associate with that country. Think Greece and moussaka, or India and curry. In that sense, few would deny that Brazil’s national dish is the party meal, centered on black beans and a number of pork products, called feijoada. Generally served at mid-day to mid-afternoon on a weekend or holiday, accompanied by lots of caipirinhas to drink, feijoada makes the party.
In a recent article in the food section of the Estado de S. Paulo newspaper, writer Dias Lopes makes a strong case for a dish from Rio de Janeiro called picadinho to be Brazil’s national-dish-runner-up. Picadinho is one of the few Brazilian dishes that are encountered everywhere in the country, as culinary and gastronomic traditions are strongly regional in this huge half-continent, and not many dishes cross regional boundaries. Even though it’s enjoyed throughout Brazil, picadinho still carries a strong association with Rio de Janeiro, for it was there at the end of the 19th Century, in the bohemian district of Lapa, that the various components of a plate of picadinho first came together and the dish was baptized “little chopped thing”, which is how the Portuguese name would be translated into English.
So what exactly is picadinho? Certainly, nothing very fancy. If one was to categorize it at all, it would have to go in the category of “blue-plate specials.” It’s not one food or dish; it’s a combination of foods ON a dish. Some of these foods are optional, but picadinho must have hand-chopped beef (not ground beef), seasoned and cooked in a brown sauce, rice, sautéed kale, boiled potatoes, and a poached or fried egg. Optionally, a fried banana or plantain and seasoned manioc flour can be added.
Just as feijoada is a dish for mid-day, picadinho is a dish to eat late at night – very late at night. In Rio’s heyday in the 30s and 40s, swank supper clubs, bars and late night restaurants served picadinho from midnight on. It’s a stick-in-your-ribs plate, and it serves the same excess-alcohol-sponging purpose as does a 3 a.m. breakfast in a truck stop, or enchiladas from a Mexican food-truck. Perhaps, just perhaps, that’s why the dish is so well loved in Brazil – it’s associated with good friends and good times. Party the night away in a club or bar, stop afterwards for a plate of picadinho then head home to sleep it all off, just as the tropical sun is coming up. That’s the whole picadinho experience, kit and caboodle, or as they say herein Brazil “É tudo mesmo!”
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First photo from Non Possumus (http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2016/03/consagracion-de-dom-tomas-de-aquino-osb.html):
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uVErmvr_1MA/Vu12Av0tUsI/AAAAAAAADyA/jr76VKZkUOgzFP4FpqHlzM8QvZSYEbZ9Q/s640/IMG_3040%255B1%255D%2B%25281%2529.JPG)
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First photo from Non Possumus (http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2016/03/consagracion-de-dom-tomas-de-aquino-osb.html):
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uVErmvr_1MA/Vu12Av0tUsI/AAAAAAAADyA/jr76VKZkUOgzFP4FpqHlzM8QvZSYEbZ9Q/s640/IMG_3040%255B1%255D%2B%25281%2529.JPG)
Amazing. God bless him, now and always.
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From Reconquista (http://cristiadatradicinalista.blogspot.mx/2016/03/la-resistance-un-troisieme-eveque.html)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pbT_iuwCEns/Vu18NzkjwuI/AAAAAAAAAAw/T8St4CwRjbINwsT01z-_hOC13mrroULBQ/s640/103_0627.JPG)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cTI-ED75wAE/Vu18g6HKcSI/AAAAAAAAAA0/472O1oaYnUg1beAC_Zcnj-Gb8485RR82Q/s400/103_0619.JPG)
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I compare +Lefebvre to Elias, and +Williamson to Eliseus.
For those not familiar with the story:
4 Kings chapter 2:
[6] And Elias said to him: Stay here, because the Lord hath sent me as far as the Jordan. And he said: As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee; and they two went on together, [7] And fifty men of the sons of the prophets followed them, and stood in sight at a distance: but they two stood by the Jordan. [8] And Elias took his mantle and folded it together, and struck the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, and they both passed over on dry ground. [9] And when they were gone over, Elias said to Eliseus: Ask what thou wilt have me to do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Eliseus said: I beseech thee that in me may be thy double spirit. [10] And he answered: Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless if thou see me when I am taken from thee, thou shalt have what thou hast asked: but if thou see me not, thou shalt not have it.
[9] Double spirit: A double portion of thy spirit, as the eldest son and heir: or thy spirit which is double in comparison of that which God usually imparteth to his prophets.
[11] And as they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder: and Elias went up by a whirlwind into heaven. [12] And Eliseus saw him, and cried: My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the driver thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own garments, and rent them in two pieces. [13] And he took up the mantle of Elias, that fell from him: and going back, he stood upon the bank of the Jordan, [14] And he struck the waters with the mantle of Elias, that had fallen from him, and they were not divided. And he said: Where is now the God of Elias? And he struck the waters, and they were divided, hither and thither, and Eliseus passed over. [15] And the sons of the prophets at Jericho, who were over against him, seeing it said: The spirit of Elias hath rested upon Eliseus. And coming to meet him, they worshipped him, falling to the ground,
[15] They worshipped him: viz., with an inferior, yet religious veneration, not for any temporal, but spiritual excellency.
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I equate these two events, and place them side by side for a good reason.
The spirit of +Lefebvre has rested upon +Williamson!
He is the true successor and spiritual heir to the providential, God-given Archbishop Lefebvre.
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One by one, all the no-brainer, obvious, long-overdue candidates are being consecrated.
Eventually, younger men will have to be consecrated bishop. There are only so many faithful, Resistant priests. Will all the good resistant priests today be overlooked -- an entire generation skipped -- and the next bishop to be consecrated is currently studying in Bishop Faure's seminary? I doubt it.
Someone old enough (older than 40), yet not TOO old (70's) will have to be consecrated bishop, eventually.
And it's not just the age -- but ability. Who else out there can handle the job of bishop? Who is sufficiently advanced in the spiritual life, and can handle the task of administration?
I wonder who it will be?
May God send us more faithful bishops to continue the fight for Tradition!
O Lord, grant us bishops.
O Lord, grant us holy bishops.
O Lord, grant us many holy bishops.
O Lord, grant us many holy priests to follow and help them.
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To continue my last post --
Is everyone on CathInfo aware of why they are consecrating +Dom Thomas Aquinas? It's not just because he's abbot of a monastery. It's because
A) Brazil is huge
B) there are lots of missions at far-flung distances, sometimes as much as 12 hours apart
C) There is a huge NEED for confirmations in Brazil
D) Bishop Williamson is not 40 anymore, and neither is +Faure.
Bishop Williamson is getting older, and Bishop Faure will probably be staying in Europe for the most part. He also has his seminary to run.
So they really needed a bishop for BRAZIL ALONE. Incidentally, for those who didn't know, they speak Portuguese in Brazil rather than Spanish. So it's a unique country in that respect.
They still need a bishop for the United States and Mexico, Central and South America -- all the Spanish-speaking countries.
They need another bishop who is still young enough to travel, but old enough to be qualified, who is advanced in the spiritual life, prudent, wise, experienced, who knows English and Spanish, and who has significant ability as an organizer/administrator/builder-upper...
...someone who is not seeking the office, who is content to live and die as a priest if that be God's will...
...someone who is already laboring tirelessly for God's glory and for the truth. Someone who is already proven...
Hmmm... I wonder who God will send? I have an idea or two.
A good bishop is a blessing upon the Catholic world, and that is why good Traditional Catholics instinctively rejoice when they hear about +Lefebvre ordaining 4 bishops, or +Williamson ordaining another deserving candidate.
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..... must have good experience of people and world and be clear thinker, someone with background in something like military or legal
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and Holy...
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The spiritual authors say that a priest should already be in the Illuminative way, and that a Bishop should be in the Unitive way.
(Many laymen are still in the Purgative way)
Talk about some high standards!
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The trick is that God has to have SOMEONE in mind for the next Traditional bishop.
The other thing is: there is still a grave need for a Bishop. The Resistance only has 3, and there is still not a bishop for North/South America. The new bishop +Dom Thomas Aquinas will be full-time busy doing confirmations circuits in Brazil, and tending to his monastery. Maybe he can go to some countries in South America. But that still leaves the US, Mexico and Canada -- and Asia -- without a bishop.
God isn't going to create a full-grown man for us, much less a man already consecrated Bishop. God makes use of the means He already created (human reproduction to form the man, the Rite of Consecration to create the bishop) to form new bishops.
The next Bishop has to be a priest already, or he wouldn't be old/experienced enough for the task. I suppose he could still be in the SSPX or elsewhere, but wouldn't that be evidence of at least a slight deficiency in prudence, fortitude, trust in God, proper understanding of obedience, or some other virtue a bishop should have?
I think it's most likely the next Bishop is already a priest, and already actively helping the Resistance.
There aren't exactly hundreds of candidates.
I just love to rejoice when I see the side of God win a few battles (for a change!) And consecrating a worthy candidate Bishop -- that's what I call a battle won!
I pray and look forward to the next Consecration ceremony in the Resistance.
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They still need a bishop for the United States and Mexico, Central and South America -- all the Spanish-speaking countries.
And what about Canada?
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They still need a bishop for the United States and Mexico, Central and South America -- all the Spanish-speaking countries.
And what about Canada?
I just mentioned Canada -- we were typing at the same time.
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*cough* Frs. Zendejas, Ortiz and Chazal *cough*
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*cough* Frs. Zendejas, Ortiz and Chazal *cough*
I agree; there are some good priests in the Resistance, who have kept their heads and have shown an amazing fortitude, clarity of thought, level-headedness and strength that could only come from God (a deep prayer life).
To be clear, although I said there aren't hundreds of candidates, that doesn't mean there is only 1.
One point that should be kept in mind though: There are good, holy, intelligent priests who are not necessarily willed by God to become bishops. I don't want to name any names or go into examples, since it might be taken as a kind of insult. Americans, especially, look at anyone who isn't "top dog" as being somehow lesser or deficient. But that's not how a Catholic should look at it. Some saints didn't even want to become priests, much less bishops, because they didn't feel God was calling them to that exalted office.
Let's put it this way: modern men can barely grasp the concept of a priestly vocation -- a man who lives a life of sacrifice. But what is even more incomprehensible? A brother or monk: a man who lives a celibate life of sacrifice for God but doesn't even "get to" say Mass or hear confessions. That vocation is even more incomprehensible to modern man.
(No, I don't have any of the 3 priests you mentioned in mind when I say "some priests are meant to stay priests" -- I'm "just saying".)
But then you have the extremely edifying story of St. Pius X, one of the best blessings the Church has received in the past 120 years, and he fought every step of the way of his promotion to the Papacy. "He who humbles himself shall be exalted."
Those who don't seek power are the best suited for it.
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'cough' Nope' cough, they are already manning the battlements, it will be someone else, maybe in Europe.... and not soon....
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*cough* Frs. Zendejas, Ortiz and Chazal *cough*
Let's have an "Operation Survival II: The Resistance Fights Back" as a sequel to +Lefebvre's consecration of 4 young men in 1988.
I think I'd walk to Brazil to be there for that ceremony, to be a part of history...
Maybe they could have it in Texas instead...you'd need a large state for the inevitable huge crowds!
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'cough' Nope' cough, they are already manning the battlements, it will be someone else, maybe in Europe.... and not soon....
Well, that's just your own personal (rather negative) opinion on the matter.
You can't have better connections than me, because my "connection" is +Williamson himself. Your post (above) does not jibe with his e-mail to me on this subject.
He has repeatedly said publicly that "there will be more" and he is always praying about and considering more candidates. Actually, he explicitly mentioned "several" candidates he is considering. He didn't say anything about "Europe" at all.
I've never heard anything about a European fixation for the next candidate. In fact, +Williamson is quite fond of America, as he lived there for a couple decades.
Just because he rejected Fr. Pfeiffer as a candidate doesn't mean he doesn't intend to consecrate a North American and/or a bishop for America.
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*cough* Frs. Zendejas, Ortiz and Chazal *cough*
Your cough is contagious *COUGH* *COUGH* *COUGH* :)
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Why would my opinion be seen as negative, America is not the whole 'World'
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*cough* Frs. Zendejas, Ortiz and Chazal *cough*
Your cough is contagious *COUGH* *COUGH* *COUGH* :)
I think there's something in the air :wink:
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Why would my opinion be seen as negative, America is not the whole 'World'
Your opinion came across negative because
A) you said "nothing soon"
B) you implied it would be some European (which excludes every other area)
I have seen no such evidence.
There are currently several areas without a bishop: North/South America, Central America, Asia, and Australia/New Zealand.
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Photos of the ceremony already on Non Possumus:
http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2016/03/consagracion-de-dom-tomas-de-aquino-osb.html
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wvu5uVaBJWw/Vu3D-r916fI/AAAAAAAAGZs/NjKYZDCB3q4S1ZzynqP6WvbZ1GiPdDQ-Q/s640/DSC09538.JPG)
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Did Bishop Williamson give a sermon and if he did will it be translated into English? (I am assuming it was given in Spanish)
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Can anyone explain the unusual sleeve treatments on Bishop Aquinas' cassock?
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Did Bishop Williamson give a sermon and if he did will it be translated into English? (I am assuming it was given in Spanish)
Yes, it will be translated to English. As soon as possible.
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Did Bishop Williamson give a sermon and if he did will it be translated into English? (I am assuming it was given in Spanish)
Yes, it will be translated to English. As soon as possible.
Thank you.
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While I was looking at one of the pictures, I could just picture a thought bubble coming from +Williamson:
(I don't know what either of them would think of this; it just tickles my own funny bone. I have a peculiar sense of humor, ok?)
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Why would my opinion be seen as negative, America is not the whole 'World'
No, but it does have the second largest Catholic population in the world.
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Someone pointed out --
Now the SSPX and Resistance have equal stature, in terms of number of bishops!
The SSPX has truly, definitively given up the fight, insofar as it has sterilized itself. Bishop Fellay is committed to not ever doing another episcopal consecration without Roman approval, whereas the Resistance meanwhile is fruitful for souls and committed to the survival of Tradition.
Viva Cristo Rey!
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Photos of the ceremony already on Non Possumus:
http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2016/03/consagracion-de-dom-tomas-de-aquino-osb.html
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wvu5uVaBJWw/Vu3D-r916fI/AAAAAAAAGZs/NjKYZDCB3q4S1ZzynqP6WvbZ1GiPdDQ-Q/s640/DSC09538.JPG)
Dear God preserve them! :pray:
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The SSPX was originally erected in Fribourg, Switzerland. Interesting that this consecration took place in "New Fribourg" (Nova Friburgo)
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The SSPX was originally erected in Fribourg, Switzerland. Interesting that this consecration took place in "New Fribourg" (Nova Friburgo)
Do you know if this was just a coincidence?
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Can anyone explain the unusual sleeve treatments on Bishop Aquinas' cassock?
Yes the sleeves are crimson silk. Of the three bishops only this cassock has the correct colors of a bishop's choir cassock. Bishop Faure lacks the sleeves, Bishop Williamson is the wrong color altogether. However, none of this is of any importance, what matters are the men inside them.
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The SSPX was originally erected in Fribourg, Switzerland. Interesting that this consecration took place in "New Fribourg" (Nova Friburgo)
Do you know if this was just a coincidence?
:tinfoil: Looks like I earned the dunce of the day award!
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I just want to say that this is the second Episcopal Consecration and priestly ordination that I have been in the same "makeshift Cathedral" as Bishop Williamson calls it, and everytime when the priest or bishop to be is in the prone position a light shines only on him from the sun. There is no where even for the sun to enter and shine since it is closed and there are no windows, but only doors and a open area above surrounded by bamboo trees. Further, the sun could not shine only on the priest or bishop laying in the prone position. I've never said anything before and nobody else has pointed it out, but if I go back to all the pictures, I can find the pictures from the other ordinations. This is one example of what I am referring to...
You can check out about a couple hundred more photos here...
http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2016/03/the-consecration-of-bishop-thomas.html
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Did anybody see the server looking in the background? Nobody has commented on this. It is just one of those things that you see and have to wonder if it is the supernatural. After having seen it for three seperate occasions all at specific points, I am convinced.
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I believe that God was pleased by (and gave His blessings on) this event, just as He blessed the 1988 Consecrations in Econe.
Remember, the reason we like these faithful Resistance bishops is because they are so steadfastly keeping the Faith. They have virtues perfectly appropriate for the Crisis were in, and some of these virtues border on (or cross over into) the heroic.
They are in love with the Faith, with the Church, and with God. They are steadfastly committed to the truth, rejecting all compromise and human respect.
In these ways (and others) they imitate Our Lord, who loved above all else to do His Father's will. He loved souls, and He bore witness to the truth. His whole life was about His Sacrifice on Calvary, starting the New Testament in His Blood. These bishops' lives are about preserving that Faith, that Church, that doctrine for future generations -- and delivering the truth (and consequently salvation!) to as many souls as possible.
That is the very essence of charity, also known as the love of God.
These bishops are truly good men. May God grant them many more years!
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........ amen
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They need another bishop who is still young enough to travel, but old enough to be qualified, who is advanced in the spiritual life, prudent, wise, experienced, who knows English and Spanish, and who has significant ability as an organizer/administrator/builder-upper...
You spelled "Zendejas" wrong.
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They need another bishop who is still young enough to travel, but old enough to be qualified, who is advanced in the spiritual life, prudent, wise, experienced, who knows English and Spanish, and who has significant ability as an organizer/administrator/builder-upper...
You spelled "Zendejas" wrong.
I thought the same and asked about this. I was told by a casual priest-observer that another bishop would seem excessive and that there wouldn't be another consecration for another 5 or 10 years unless there was a big influx from the SSPX.
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They need another bishop who is still young enough to travel, but old enough to be qualified, who is advanced in the spiritual life, prudent, wise, experienced, who knows English and Spanish, and who has significant ability as an organizer/administrator/builder-upper...
You spelled "Zendejas" wrong.
I thought the same and asked about this. I was told by a casual priest-observer that another bishop would seem excessive and that there wouldn't be another consecration for another 5 or 10 years unless there was a big influx from the SSPX.
You were told this by someone who is in the know and was informing you, or you were told as in someone was stating their opinion?
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'cough' Nope' cough, they are already manning the battlements, it will be someone else, maybe in Europe.... and not soon....
my thoughts exactly!
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They need another bishop who is still young enough to travel, but old enough to be qualified, who is advanced in the spiritual life, prudent, wise, experienced, who knows English and Spanish, and who has significant ability as an organizer/administrator/builder-upper...
You spelled "Zendejas" wrong.
I thought the same and asked about this. I was told by a casual priest-observer that another bishop would seem excessive and that there wouldn't be another consecration for another 5 or 10 years unless there was a big influx from the SSPX.
Excessive?? I don't think so. If we are to use the number of Bishops ABL consecrated, then the magic number is 4. Assuming Bishop Williamson only intends to consecrate the same number of Bishops as ABL then my opinion is---It has to be in ASIA.
It must be noted that the impending Chastisement (World War 3....etc) has to be taken into consideration. Most probably, the Bishops can no longer travel freely when War breaks out. My opinion in this case would be, 4 is simply not enough. Distribution of Bishops in my opinion will go something like this: 1 North America, 1 South America, 2 already in Europe, 1 Asia, 1 Australia. 6 Bishops I think would be the bare minimum.
If we consider a scenario wherein a Bishop in North America gets killed, the one in South America would serve as a back-up and would have to consecrate a new Bishop. Same procedure in Europe and Asia.
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They need another bishop who is still young enough to travel, but old enough to be qualified, who is advanced in the spiritual life, prudent, wise, experienced, who knows English and Spanish, and who has significant ability as an organizer/administrator/builder-upper...
You spelled "Zendejas" wrong.
I thought the same and asked about this. I was told by a casual priest-observer that another bishop would seem excessive and that there wouldn't be another consecration for another 5 or 10 years unless there was a big influx from the SSPX.
You were told this by someone who is in the know and was informing you, or you were told as in someone was stating their opinion?
Based on +Williamson's own past public statements, and the reality of the situation (entire continents still without a bishop and "all 3" Resistant bishops currently rather old and occupied, especially for their age)
I must say B).
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Remember, there are THREE Resistant bishops now.
Even if we assume they all want to be on the same page (not consecrating anyone without the agreement of the other two, just to make sure no one is "crazy" in their choice of candidate or timing), there are still 2 other voices that would tug on the "most conservative" one, to wake him up, give him a nudge, etc.
So if the reality is that the world needs another bishop, it's more likely to happen now.
Each bishop has the counsel of 2 other brother-bishops to consider now.
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The person who told me this is "in the know". However, 5 years is not 20 and we can see this unfold rather fast. There has to be a justification for more bishops, and 4 bishops to manage the faithful of about 40 priests is certainly excessive. That's about 1 bishop per 10 priests. The age thing could be factored in and would seem like a likely reason why this priest in the know said 5 or 10 years. It really depends on the need.
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And here is another solemn scene from the Consecration
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The person who told me this is "in the know". However, 5 years is not 20 and we can see this unfold rather fast. There has to be a justification for more bishops, and 4 bishops to manage the faithful of about 40 priests is certainly excessive. That's about 1 bishop per 10 priests. The age thing could be factored in and would seem like a likely reason why this priest in the know said 5 or 10 years. It really depends on the need.
Well, there's a certain "minimum" based on pure geography.
Looking at the bishop:priest ratio is kind of silly, like looking at the number of exterior walls:inhabitants ratio in a house.
In my house, we have 4 exterior walls:8 members of the household.
But a man living alone has 4 exterior walls per person!
See what I'm getting at?
There's a certain minimum, like when you resize certain computer programs/games and they force you to not make the window smaller than a certain size. A minimum required to function, regardless of environment (# of parishioners, # of priests)
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I just want to say that this is the second Episcopal Consecration and priestly ordination that I have been in the same "makeshift Cathedral" as Bishop Williamson calls it, and everytime when the priest or bishop to be is in the prone position a light shines only on him from the sun. There is no where even for the sun to enter and shine since it is closed and there are no windows, but only doors and a open area above surrounded by bamboo trees. Further, the sun could not shine only on the priest or bishop laying in the prone position. I've never said anything before and nobody else has pointed it out, but if I go back to all the pictures, I can find the pictures from the other ordinations. This is one example of what I am referring to...
You can check out about a couple hundred more photos here...
http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2016/03/the-consecration-of-bishop-thomas.html
Hmm...very interesting.
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Remember, there are THREE Resistant bishops now.
Even if we assume they all want to be on the same page (not consecrating anyone without the agreement of the other two, just to make sure no one is "crazy" in their choice of candidate or timing), there are still 2 other voices that would tug on the "most conservative" one, to wake him up, give him a nudge, etc.
So if the reality is that the world needs another bishop, it's more likely to happen now.
Each bishop has the counsel of 2 other brother-bishops to consider now.
Surely the simplification expressed above is excessive, an over-simplification. Surely the relevant point would be to consider their fellow ROMAN CATHOLIC bishops in the episcopal college of Holy Mother Church. When was the infallibility of the Roman Catholic Church granted to the "Resistant" bishops and not to the Roman Catholic bishops? By what sacramental authority is this strange restriction made?
The three Resistance bishops are in the spiritual lineage of our historic opportune Roman Catholic Jesuits. But that is not our entire historic heritage. There are some other additional strands to be found in our heritage. For example, we have the heritage of the principled Roman Catholic Jesuits. That lineage is represented among us by those bishops associated with the Company of Jesus and Mary led by the Argentine Catholic Bishop Andres Morello. More principled Jesuits are just as Roman Catholic as the more opportune Jesuits and one should note that the resemblances between the Resistance bishops and the bishops associated with Bishop Morello are considerable. They share the same Jesuit mind-set in common. They are all of them fine diplomats born and bred.
Then there are the Benedictine-style Roman Catholic bishops associated with the Canons Regular of Saint Augustine headquartered in London. They are Catholic gentlemen born and bred, without too much military backbone but with a fine talent for scholarship. As for a Zelanti Catholic bishop in the tradition of my own more fiery Franciscan Order, we have the decidedly militant Roman Catholic Bishop Markus Ramolla not too far away from us in Cincinnati, Ohio. And, yes, there are a few terribly elderly Catholic bishops on the outer edges of the Novus Ordo, although very very few of them still with us among the living. Alas... Great Catholic cardinals like Stickler, Siri and Oddi are sorely missed, or at least they ought to be. (As for the dogmatic sedevacantist bishops, presumably the less said about those scandalous characters the better.)
The three Resistance bishops are the most opportunist and diplomatic among the remnant of Catholic bishops still among the living and not yet destroyed by the omnipresent Marxist terror of the Great Apostasy. Still, we ought to maintain our normal Catholic sense and be aware that our holy sacraments empower every legitimately consecrated bishop of our one same Roman Catholic faith.
The time for childish quarrels about the legalities of the Neo-Liberal Marxist usurpers in the Vatican ought to have been left behind us by now. No doubt senility is strong among us, but we ought to at least try to resist the siren calls of our ghastly contemporary decadence. We should respect the sacraments of Our Lord Jesus Christ and at least have some consideration for the entire legitimate episcopal college of Holy Mother Church. We owe our allegiance to every remaining Roman Catholic bishop, not only to the most intensely Jesuit faction among them.
Our religion is Roman Catholicism, and not Ultra-Jesuitism only.
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The person who told me this is "in the know". However, 5 years is not 20 and we can see this unfold rather fast. There has to be a justification for more bishops, and 4 bishops to manage the faithful of about 40 priests is certainly excessive. That's about 1 bishop per 10 priests. The age thing could be factored in and would seem like a likely reason why this priest in the know said 5 or 10 years. It really depends on the need.
Well, there's a certain "minimum" based on pure geography.
Looking at the bishop:priest ratio is kind of silly, like looking at the number of exterior walls:inhabitants ratio in a house.
In my house, we have 4 exterior walls:8 members of the household.
But a man living alone has 4 exterior walls per person!
See what I'm getting at?
There's a certain minimum, like when you resize certain computer programs/games and they force you to not make the window smaller than a certain size. A minimum required to function, regardless of environment (# of parishioners, # of priests)
To wait 5 years may be too late. I personally believe that something would happen after or on the 100 years anniversary of Fatima. From what Fr.Paul Kramer said on one of his videos, the Chastisement is around the corner already. I would ardently pray that another consecration happen SOONER and not LATER. If for one reason or another they could not consecrate at the bare minimum 6 Bishops, then I pray hard that at least the 4th Bishop has to be in ASIA. I don't care who they will choose as 4th Bishop as long as it is in Asia...HOPEfully
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There has to be a justification for more bishops, and 4 bishops to manage the faithful of about 40 priests is certainly excessive.
This isn't about 4 (or more or fewer) bishops "to manage 40 priests." This is entirely about providing real Catholic bishops so that the chain of apostolic succession doesn't die out, which would certainly be the case without any more traditional consecrations if in fact the new episcopal ordinations are invalid, which they well may be. We are talking about bishops for the Catholic Church, not bishops for "the Resistance."
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There has to be a justification for more bishops, and 4 bishops to manage the faithful of about 40 priests is certainly excessive.
This isn't about 4 (or more or fewer) bishops "to manage 40 priests." This is entirely about providing real Catholic bishops so that the chain of apostolic succession doesn't die out, which would certainly be the case without any more traditional consecrations if in fact the new episcopal ordinations are invalid, which they well may be. We are talking about bishops for the Catholic Church, not bishops for "the Resistance."
The resistance bishops will not conform to your opinion. The new rite of Episcopal Consecration is valid...
http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/sedevacantism/validity_of_episcopal_consecrations.pdf
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Centro,
It is irrelevant whether or not the majority of bishops are "valid bishops". What is more important is that they are
A) lousy with Modernism
B) lousy with ignorance and/or heresies, and can't be counted on to preserve the Faith
C) Can't be counted on to ordain more Traditional priests
And in much the same category are the 3 remaining SSPX bishops. Now it's true that these 3 bishops are valid bishops, and with 100% certainty. But they also can't be counted on. For all we know, sometime after the deal, maybe a few years later, Rome will send all 3 into some kind of retirement or exile.
At any rate, they have ALL explicitly (or implicitly, by silence) agreed to do NO MORE NOT-APPROVED-BY-ROME CONSECRATIONS. This has been the neo-SSPX position since +Faure was consecrated, and frankly if I hadn't already been part of the Resistance, that is the day I would have joined it!
They are about as useless to Tradition as as a permanently sterilized couple is useless to the propagation of the human race.
What good is a bishop that has been neutered and sterilized -- by an act of his own will?
What is the point of a Traditional bishop who has pledged to never again consecrate a bishop without Roman approval?
Nothing screams "we've changed from the old SSPX" like condemning an action that is practically identical with the Archbishop's 1988 Consecrations.
Anyone who is still sleeping after THAT little wake-up-call is obviously in a mental or spiritual coma, and there isn't much hope for them.
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Centro,
It is irrelevant whether or not the majority of bishops are "valid bishops". What is more important is that they are
A) lousy with Modernism
B) lousy with ignorance and/or heresies, and can't be counted on to preserve the Faith
C) Can't be counted on to ordain more Traditional priests
And in much the same category are the 3 remaining SSPX bishops. Now it's true that these 3 bishops are valid bishops, and with 100% certainty. But they also can't be counted on. For all we know, sometime after the deal, maybe a few years later, Rome will send all 3 into some kind of retirement or exile.
At any rate, they have ALL explicitly (or implicitly, by silence) agreed to do NO MORE NOT-APPROVED-BY-ROME CONSECRATIONS. This has been the neo-SSPX position since +Faure was consecrated, and frankly if I hadn't already been part of the Resistance, that is the day I would have joined it!
They are about as useless to Tradition as as a permanently sterilized couple is useless to the propagation of the human race.
What good is a bishop that has been neutered and sterilized -- by an act of his own will?
What is the point of a Traditional bishop who has pledged to never again consecrate a bishop without Roman approval?
Nothing screams "we've changed from the old SSPX" like condemning an action that is practically identical with the Archbishop's 1988 Consecrations.
Anyone who is still sleeping after THAT little wake-up-call is obviously in a mental or spiritual coma, and there isn't much hope for them.
Frankly, I have no dog in this fight. If you want to argue about the necessities of more bishops send it to the three bishops. And when you do, tell them that I agree with you.
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Centro,
It is irrelevant whether or not the majority of bishops are "valid bishops". What is more important is that they are
A) lousy with Modernism
B) lousy with ignorance and/or heresies, and can't be counted on to preserve the Faith
C) Can't be counted on to ordain more Traditional priests
And in much the same category are the 3 remaining SSPX bishops. Now it's true that these 3 bishops are valid bishops, and with 100% certainty. But they also can't be counted on. For all we know, sometime after the deal, maybe a few years later, Rome will send all 3 into some kind of retirement or exile.
At any rate, they have ALL explicitly (or implicitly, by silence) agreed to do NO MORE NOT-APPROVED-BY-ROME CONSECRATIONS. This has been the neo-SSPX position since +Faure was consecrated, and frankly if I hadn't already been part of the Resistance, that is the day I would have joined it!
They are about as useless to Tradition as as a permanently sterilized couple is useless to the propagation of the human race.
What good is a bishop that has been neutered and sterilized -- by an act of his own will?
What is the point of a Traditional bishop who has pledged to never again consecrate a bishop without Roman approval?
Nothing screams "we've changed from the old SSPX" like condemning an action that is practically identical with the Archbishop's 1988 Consecrations.
Anyone who is still sleeping after THAT little wake-up-call is obviously in a mental or spiritual coma, and there isn't much hope for them.
You seem to perhaps have some privy information. Maybe you aught to be a little lighter on those who may not have your inside knowledge.
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You seem to perhaps have some privy information. Maybe you aught to be a little lighter on those who may not have your inside knowledge.
No, I haven't been given any information that isn't publicly available.
I've listened to some of +Williamson's conferences, though, and paid attention.
As for the status of the Church today, that is just me keeping my eyes open.
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You seem to perhaps have some privy information. Maybe you aught to be a little lighter on those who may not have your inside knowledge.
No, I haven't been given any information that isn't publicly available.
I've listened to some of +Williamson's conferences, though, and paid attention.
As for the status of the Church today, that is just me keeping my eyes open.
Sorry Matthew, poor judgement on my part.
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Another bishop?
Five or ten years.
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Another bishop?
Five or ten years.
10 years? Hope the rest-home has a large room available.