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Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
« on: May 07, 2020, 09:30:53 PM »
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  • From the Psalm129 Blog, (nailing it again):

    https://psalm129.wordpress.com/2020/05/08/vigano-schneider-suggest-covid-19-conspiracy-where-is-fr-robinson/


    Vigano, Schneider suggest COVID-19 conspiracy. Where is Fr. Robinson?

    A bevy of conciliar bishops and cardinals – including Archbishop Carlo Vigano, Cardinal Robert Sarah, Cardinal Joseph Zen, and Bishop Athanasius Schneider – have added their name to a docuмent (read here) that makes Fr. Paul Robinson, and, by extension, the SSPX, look really foolish.
    The letter, released today on the website www.VeritasLiberabitVos.info, warns that the coronavirus is being used by world leaders to setup subtle forms of dictatorship to control ordinary people and deny them their basic constitutional rights. The virus is being used as the “disturbing prelude to the realization of a world government beyond all control,” it reads (read full text below).

    Dozens of professors, organizations, and lay Catholic writers, including Michael Matt of The Remnant and John-Henry Westen of Life Site News, have also added their name to it.

    Several weeks ago, Psalm 129 pointed out how the SSPX’s media “Golden Boy,” Fr. Paul Robinson, mocked, during an appearance on an SSPX podcast, those who believed there was a “conspiracy theory” surrounding the virus.

    Psalm 129 also noted how Fr. Yves Le Roux, rector of the U.S. SSPX seminary, belittled those who thought there was something sinister afoot. “Conspiracy theories proliferate on the social networks,” he wrote. “Some are convinced that this virus…is a biological weapon manufactured by men without faith or law who want to exterminate half the planet.”

    What Vigano’s letter and the SSPX’s anti-“conspiracy theory” stance suggests to me is that the Society is so desirous of wanting to rid itself of the “stench” of Bishop Williamson and to appear mainstream and acceptable to the conciliar authorities that it has totally lost the basic common sense even so-called conservative and traditional Catholics still possess.

    Essentially what has happened over the past decade or so is that the Society has done everything it can to appear not too “extreme” to Latin Mass attending Catholics and novus ordo diocesan bishops. In doing so, it has become a shell of its former self. The normalization process has set in, in other words, and they are censoring themselves on “controversial” topics.

    The problem with the SSPX’s drift leftward is that the mainstream “conservative” and “traditional” Catholic clergy the SSPX look to for approval (especially Schneider) are arguably moving passed them to their right.

    The statement Vigano and his friends signed (read in full below) is essentially what the SSPX of old – the SSPX of Bishop Williamson and of Archbishop Lefebvre – would have written the very week the COVID-19 “pandemic” broke loose.

    As it is, the SSPX of today – having extricated itself of any real critical thinkers – is a paralyzed, zombified version of its former self. It’s become so lobotomized, in other words, that even mainstream churchmen see the lies of the world – and call them out – better than the SSPX does. What a complete and total dereliction of the mission Archbishop Lefebvre entrusted to them. From a roaring lion to a paper tiger, the SSPX has lost its way.


    Read the full letter below.



    APPEAL FOR THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD

    To Catholics and all people of good will
    Veritas liberabit vos. Jn 8:32

    In this time of great crisis, we Pastors of the Catholic Church, by virtue of our mandate, consider it our sacred duty to make an Appeal to our Brothers in the Episcopate, to the Clergy, to Religious, to the holy People of God and to all men and women of good will. This Appeal has also been undersigned by intellectuals, doctors, lawyers, journalists and professionals who agree with its content, and may be undersigned by those who wish to make it their own.

    The facts have shown that, under the pretext of the Covid-19 epidemic, the inalienable rights of citizens have in many cases been violated and their fundamental freedoms, including the exercise of freedom of worship, expression and movement, have been disproportionately and unjustifiably restricted.

    Public health must not, and cannot, become an alibi for infringing on the rights of millions of people around the world, let alone for depriving the civil authority of its duty to act wisely for the common good. This is particularly true as growing doubts emerge from several quarters about the actual contagiousness, danger and resistance of the virus. Many authoritative voices in the world of science and medicine confirm that the media’s alarmism about Covid-19 appears to be absolutely unjustified.

    We have reason to believe, on the basis of official data on the incidence of the epidemic as related to the number of deaths, that there are powers interested in creating panic among the world’s population with the sole aim of permanently imposing unacceptable forms of restriction on freedoms, of controlling people and of tracking their movements. The imposition of these illiberal measures is a disturbing prelude to the realization of a world government beyond all control.

    We also believe that in some situations the containment measures that were adopted, including the closure of shops and businesses, have precipitated a crisis that has brought down entire sectors of the economy. This encourages interference by foreign powers and has serious social and political repercussions. Those with governmental responsibility must stop these forms of social engineering, by taking measures to protect their citizens whom they represent, and in whose interests they have a serious obligation to act.

    Likewise, let them help the family, the cell of society, by not unreasonably penalizing the weak and elderly, forcing them into a painful separation from their loved ones. The criminalization of personal and social relationships must likewise be judged as an unacceptable part of the plan of those who advocate isolating individuals in order to better manipulate and control them.

    We ask the scientific community to be vigilant, so that cures for Covid-19 are offered in honesty for the common good. Every effort must be made to ensure that shady business interests do not influence the choices made by government leaders and international bodies. It is unreasonable to penalize those remedies that have proved to be effective, and are often inexpensive, just because one wishes to give priority to treatments or vaccines that are not as good, but which guarantee pharmaceutical companies far greater profits, and exacerbate public health expenditures. Let us also remember, as Pastors, that for Catholics it is morally unacceptable to develop or use vaccines derived from material from aborted fetuses.

    We also ask government leaders to ensure that forms of control over people, whether through tracking systems or any other form of location-finding, are rigorously avoided. The fight against Covid-19, however serious, must not be the pretext for supporting the hidden intentions of supranational bodies that have very strong commercial and political interests in this plan. In particular, citizens must be given the opportunity to refuse these restrictions on personal freedom, without any penalty whatsoever being imposed on those who do not wish to use vaccines, contact tracking or any other similar tool. Let us also consider the blatant contradiction of those who pursue policies of drastic population control and at the same time present themselves as the savior of humanity, without any political or social legitimacy. Finally, the political responsibility of those who represent the people can in no way be left to “experts” who can indeed claim a kind of immunity from prosecution, which is disturbing to say the least.

    We strongly urge those in the media to commit themselves to providing accurate information and not penalizing dissent by resorting to forms of censorship, as is happening widely on social media, in the press and on television. Providing accurate information requires that room be given to voices that are not aligned with a single way of thinking. This allows citizens to consciously assess the facts, without being heavily influenced by partisan interventions. A democratic and honest debate is the best antidote to the risk of imposing subtle forms of dictatorship, presumably worse than those our society has seen rise and fall in the recent past.

    Finally, as Pastors responsible for the flock of Christ, let us remember that the Church firmly asserts her autonomy to govern, worship, and teach. This autonomy and freedom are an innate right that Our Lord Jesus Christ has given her for the pursuit of her proper ends. For this reason, as Pastors we firmly assert the right to decide autonomously on the celebration of Mass and the Sacraments, just as we claim absolute autonomy in matters falling within our immediate jurisdiction, such as liturgical norms and ways of administering Communion and the Sacraments. The State has no right to interfere, for any reason whatsoever, in the sovereignty of the Church. Ecclesiastical authorities have never refused to collaborate with the State, but such collaboration does not authorize civil authorities to impose any sort of ban or restriction on public worship or the exercise of priestly ministry. The rights of God and of the faithful are the supreme law of the Church, which she neither intends to, nor can, abdicate. We ask that restrictions on the celebration of public ceremonies be removed.

    We should like to invite all people of good will not to shirk their duty to cooperate for the common good, each according to his or her own state and possibilities and in a spirit of fraternal charity. The Church desires such cooperation, but this cannot disregard either a respect for natural law or a guarantee of individual freedoms. The civil duties to which citizens are bound imply the State’s recognition of their rights.

    We are all called to assess the current situation in a way consistent with the teaching of the Gospel. This means taking a stand: either with Christ or against Christ. Let us not be intimidated or frightened by those who would have us believe that we are a minority: Good is much more widespread and powerful than the world would have us believe. We are fighting against an invisible enemy that seeks to divide citizens, to separate children from their parents, grandchildren from their grandparents, the faithful from their pastors, students from teachers, and customers from vendors.
    Let us not allow centuries of Christian civilization to be erased under the pretext of a virus, and an odious technological tyranny to be established, in which nameless and faceless people can decide the fate of the world by confining us to a virtual reality. If this is the plan to which the powers of this earth intend to make us yield, know that Jesus Christ, King and Lord of History, has promised that “the gates of Hell shall not prevail” (Mt 16:18).

    Let us entrust government leaders and all those who rule over the fate of nations to Almighty God, that He may enlighten and guide them in this time of great crisis. May they remember that, just as the Lord will judge us Pastors for the flock which he has entrusted to us, so will He also judge government leaders for the peoples whom they have the duty to defend and govern.

    With faith, let us beseech the Lord to protect the Church and the world. May the Blessed Virgin, Help of Christians, crush the head of the ancient Serpent and defeat the plans of the children of darkness.

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #1 on: May 07, 2020, 09:43:04 PM »
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  • I am 100% vindicated:

    "Finally, as Pastors responsible for the flock of Christ, let us remember that the Church firmly asserts her autonomy to govern, worship, and teach. This autonomy and freedom are an innate right that Our Lord Jesus Christ has given her for the pursuit of her proper ends. For this reason, as Pastors we firmly assert the right to decide autonomously on the celebration of Mass and the Sacraments, just as we claim absolute autonomy in matters falling within our immediate jurisdiction, such as liturgical norms and ways of administering Communion and the Sacraments. The State has no right to interfere, for any reason whatsoever, in the sovereignty of the Church. Ecclesiastical authorities have never refused to collaborate with the State, but such collaboration does not authorize civil authorities to impose any sort of ban or restriction on public worship or the exercise of priestly ministry. The rights of God and of the faithful are the supreme law of the Church, which she neither intends to, nor can, abdicate. We ask that restrictions on the celebration of public ceremonies be removed."

    Who would have thought this statement would come from conciliar clergy, and not the SSPX?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #2 on: May 07, 2020, 09:56:31 PM »
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  • Signed.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #3 on: May 07, 2020, 10:04:46 PM »
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  • I found it confusing and I couldn't find where to sign it.

    The signatories appear here:

    CORRECTED: Three cardinals join global appeal decrying crackdown on basic freedoms over coronavirus | News | LifeSite
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/four-cardinals-join-global-appeal-decrying-crackdown-on-basic-freedoms-over-coronavirus?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com&utm_campaign=561e66b56e-Catholic_5_7_20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_12387f0e3e-561e66b56e-404202825


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    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #5 on: May 07, 2020, 10:47:25 PM »
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  • Cannot help but wonder if traditional Catholics, who agree with the sentiments expressed, (and I would be one of them) - if such Catholics would eventually and innocently be lured into the Conciliar church.   The root of the problem is not being addressed by these Cardinals et al namely refusal to correct Francis' heresies and to celebrate only the true Mass.   Cardinal Zen emeritus could be the exception having been an admirer of Benedict XVI and having said the NO in the past.  

    The petition(s) on Life Site news fall foul of the same principle.
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #6 on: May 08, 2020, 02:30:29 AM »
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  • Run with the fox and chase with the hounds; the rebranding continues!!!

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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #7 on: May 08, 2020, 05:05:44 AM »
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  • Run with the fox and chase with the hounds; the rebranding continues!!!
    Wait 'til ID2020 comes out, I wonder if they'll make light of the "conspiracy theories" then?


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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #8 on: May 08, 2020, 08:23:15 AM »
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  • "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #9 on: May 08, 2020, 08:37:17 AM »
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  • Hmmm.  This is coming from Vatican II pastors.  Is this a new ecuмencial movement?

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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #10 on: May 08, 2020, 09:36:43 AM »
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  • Hmmm.  This is coming from Vatican II pastors.  Is this a new ecuмencial movement?

    Nope, just a pat on the back, acknowledging that even a broken clock is right twice/day.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #11 on: May 08, 2020, 10:35:25 AM »
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  • This sums up the whole situation of the current SSPX, not only with this "COVID" plot against humanity but with many other issues:

    "As it is, the SSPX of today – having extricated itself of any real critical thinkers – is a paralyzed, zombified version of its former self. It’s become so lobotomized, in other words, that even mainstream churchmen see the lies of the world – and call them out – better than the SSPX does. What a complete and total dereliction of the mission Archbishop Lefebvre entrusted to them. From a roaring lion to a paper tiger, the SSPX has lost its way."

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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #12 on: May 08, 2020, 12:43:27 PM »
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  • And so we pray Deo gratias for The Resistance bishops and clergy.

    If the conciliar clock is right twice a day (or once if you stick to military time)
    Then the SS Pixie time keeping device is a sundial on a heavily overcast rainy day.

    Expect diabolical persecution to be substantially greater against the Traditional remnant. 
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #13 on: May 08, 2020, 03:47:04 PM »
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  • Ah, I miss the good old days of Bishop Williamson giving a 40-minute sermon on the 9/11 or Oklahoma City cօռspιʀαcιҽs.  Those were the glory days of the SSPX.

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    Re: Conciliarists Passing SSPX on the Right?
    « Reply #14 on: May 08, 2020, 04:15:10 PM »
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  • Hmmm.  This is coming from Vatican II pastors.  Is this a new ecuмencial movement?

    I actually believe that the outrageous heresies and irreverence of one Jorge Bergoglio have been instrumental in waking up some of those in the Conciliar Church ... whereas JP2 and B16 lulled them to sleep.

    Once your mind breaks free from the Conciliar paradigm and you see the first crack, you begin digging deeper.  It was like my experience with 9/11.  It woke me up to the broader world of government control and conspiracy.

    When these men truly understand the heresies of Begoglio, they'll look back and find that they were already there in B16 and JP2.