At the same time seeing how it corrupts minds, one understands how today’s churchmen are “diabolically disoriented” without necessarily being fully aware of how they are destroying the Church.
QuoteAt the same time seeing how it corrupts minds, one understands how today’s churchmen are “diabolically disoriented” without necessarily being fully aware of how they are destroying the Church.
:facepalm:.........................Invincible Ignorance V
Quote from: J.PaulQuoteAt the same time seeing how it corrupts minds, one understands how today’s churchmen are “diabolically disoriented” without necessarily being fully aware of how they are destroying the Church.
:facepalm:.........................Invincible Ignorance V
Is that how you read that? I read "not fully aware" as being partly aware. We puny little humans are never *fully* aware of the big picture, only our small parts. So they are aware enough to be judged, just not fully aware since the rot of the mind prohibits clarity. Like a person who is drunk may not be fully aware of what they do while drunk but they are still culpable for getting drunk to start with.
Quote from: wallflowerQuote from: J.PaulQuoteAt the same time seeing how it corrupts minds, one understands how today’s churchmen are “diabolically disoriented” without necessarily being fully aware of how they are destroying the Church.
:facepalm:.........................Invincible Ignorance V
Is that how you read that? I read "not fully aware" as being partly aware. We puny little humans are never *fully* aware of the big picture, only our small parts. So they are aware enough to be judged, just not fully aware since the rot of the mind prohibits clarity. Like a person who is drunk may not be fully aware of what they do while drunk but they are still culpable for getting drunk to start with.
I am sure that was the case with Martin Luther, and most of the Arian Bishops as well, that did not change the fact that they were heretics and thus, enemies of the Church, and of Christ.
Yes, culpable for the initial sin of drunkeness, and responsible for all that follows. They were aware when they began, and it matters not, what they were aware of after that.
These men act in a very deliberate way against the Catholic religion, they have gone far beyond being just disoriented, and they now act as diabolical agents of destruction.
Modern churchmen have free will and are using it. The early V2 reformers were anxious to throw off the yoke of the past (which they often admit was not that convincing) and to use some elements of Christianity to make a church more to their liking. For them the 1950s mentality had to come to an end and they opted for evolution. For their successors, the new church is their home and they identify with no other. Thus the revolution is complete. Do ancien regimes ever return or are certain features of them at best incorporated into the new reality to soften or give it some superficial but bogus feeling of continuity with the past? This is the direction so many trads are now pursuing.
Where true Catholics want and are entitled to clarity, we keep getting messy explanations and solutions from those who should know better. Well, they do know better but somehow still harbour a notion that V2 is an aberration rather than a root and branch revolution which has only just got started. They live in hope and play a waiting game ........
Where true Catholics want and are entitled to clarity, we keep getting messy explanations and solutions from those who should know better. Well, they do know better but somehow still harbour a notion that V2 is an aberration rather than a root and branch revolution which has only just got started. They live in hope and play a waiting game ........
Quote from: WessexModern churchmen have free will and are using it. The early V2 reformers were anxious to throw off the yoke of the past (which they often admit was not that convincing) and to use some elements of Christianity to make a church more to their liking. For them the 1950s mentality had to come to an end and they opted for evolution. For their successors, the new church is their home and they identify with no other. Thus the revolution is complete. Do ancien regimes ever return or are certain features of them at best incorporated into the new reality to soften or give it some superficial but bogus feeling of continuity with the past? This is the direction so many trads are now pursuing.
Where true Catholics want and are entitled to clarity, we keep getting messy explanations and solutions from those who should know better. Well, they do know better but somehow still harbour a notion that V2 is an aberration rather than a root and branch revolution which has only just got started. They live in hope and play a waiting game ........
Good clear comments Wessex. Early on the idea that this was just an incursion by the Church's enemies that would be repelled, returning the Church to sanity and orthodoxy. This is where and why, the R&R strategy came in to being.
The Archbishop thought to outlast the revolutionaries, but after a decade or two, this position was completely overtaken by the constant gains and consolidation of the revolution.
It is quite strange that more Traditionals have not seen the inefectiveness and irrelevancy of clinging to this illogical position. Perhaps they suffer from a widespread invincible naivete.
The more liberal Rome becomes, the more some trads have to exonerate her. They are tied to her decline and are afraid to let go. Like remaining on the Titanic just in case the ship rights herself.
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There is only one great heresy.
THERE IS NO TRUTH
But that's not all.
EVEN IF THERE WERE TRUTH - IT COULD NOT BE KNOWN
And finally,
EVEN IF THE TRUTH COULD BE KNOWN, IT COULD NOT BE COMMUNICATED
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Wessex,
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The more liberal Rome becomes, the more some trads have to exonerate her. They are tied to her decline and are afraid to let go. Like remaining on the Titanic just in case the ship rights herself.