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    Communiqué of the General House of the Society of St. Pius X concerning the episcopal consecration of Father Faure.
    19-03-2015  


    On March 19th 2015 Bishop Richard Williamson performed the episcopal consecration of Fr. Jean-Michel Faure at the Benedictine Monastery of the Holy Cross in Nova Friburgo, Brazil.

    Bishop Williamson and Fr. Faure have not been members of the Society of St. Pius X since 2012 and 2014, respectively, because of their violent criticisms of any relations with the Roman authorities. According to them, such contacts were incompatible with the apostolic work of Archbishop Lefebvre.

    The Society of St. Pius X regrets sincerely that this spirit of opposition has led to an episcopal consecration. In 1988 Archbishop Lefebvre had clearly indicated his intention to consecrate auxiliary bishops who would have no jurisdiction, because of the state of necessity in which the Society of St. Pius X and faithful Catholics found themselves at that time. His sole goal was to make available to the faithful the sacraments which priests ordained by the bishops would offer. After having done everything conceivable to gain permission from the Holy See, Archbishop Lefebvre proceeded with the solemn consecrations on June 30, 1988 before several thousand priests and faithful and hundreds of journalists from around the world. It was abundantly clear from all the circuмstances that, despite the lack of authorization from Rome, this action done in the most public manner was for the good of the Church and of souls.

    The Society of St. Pius X denounces this episcopal consecration of Father Faure, which, despite the assertions of both clerics concerned, is not at all comparable to the consecrations of 1988. All the declarations of Bishop Williamson and Fr. Faure prove abundantly that they no longer recognize the Roman authorities, except in a purely rhetorical manner.

    The Society of St. Pius X still maintains that the present state of necessity renders legitimate its action throughout the world, without denying the legitimate authority of those for whom it continues to pray at every Mass. The Society intends to continue its work of priestly formation according to its statutes. It has every intention to keep the deposit of the Faith and the purity of the Church’s moral teaching, in opposition to errors, from wherever they may come, in order to pass on such Faith and morals in the traditional liturgy and by preaching, in accordance with the missionary spirit of its founder: Credidimus caritati [1 John 4:16].
     

    Menzingen, March 19, 2015


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    « Reply #1 on: March 19, 2015, 11:59:20 AM »
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  • Translation:  "We can do it, but you can't!"  
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    « Reply #2 on: March 19, 2015, 12:07:32 PM »
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  • Bishop Fellay  is learning the art of hypocrisy from Francis and the Romans.  He does not know when to keep his mouth shut.  In this Communiqué he, "maintains that the present state of necessity renders legitimate (his) actions" while the "state of necessity" does not exist for anyone else.  

    How is this possible? Because + Fellay is claiming that the SSPX is all that is necessary for any traditional Catholic and therefore no state of necessity exists.  He is in fact claiming "jurisdiction" over traditional Catholics that are not in a regular canonical status!  

    Who gave it to him?  If it was given by Rome he has taken the 1989 Profession of Faith vowing unconditional submission of the "mind and will" to the personal demands of the pope.  He has then vowed to play the part of the Judas Goat leading traditional Catholic into heresy and the accommodation of error for canonical regularization with Rome.   If it has not been given to him by Rome it proves him a schismatic because he is claiming jurisdiction that he does not possess.

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    « Reply #3 on: March 19, 2015, 12:21:16 PM »
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    Bishop Fellay  is learning the art of hypocrisy from Francis and the Romans.  He does not know when to keep his mouth shut.  In this Communiqué he, "maintains that the present state of necessity renders legitimate (his) actions" while the "state of necessity" does not exist for anyone else.  

    How is this possible? Because + Fellay is claiming that the SSPX is all that is necessary for any traditional Catholic and therefore no state of necessity exists.  He is in fact claiming "jurisdiction" over traditional Catholics that are not in a regular canonical status!  

    Who gave it to him?  If it was given by Rome he has taken the 1989 Profession of Faith vowing unconditional submission of the "mind and will" to the personal demands of the pope.  He has then vowed to play the part of the Judas Goat leading traditional Catholic into heresy and the accommodation of error for canonical regularization with Rome.   If it has not been given to him by Rome it proves him a schismatic because he is claiming jurisdiction that he does not possess.


    Well said. I had the same thinking when I read peterp's argument yesterday.

    Basically, they say that the SSPX got "dibs" on the State of Necessity for Traditional Catholics, and now all of us have to deal with the SSPX or else. If we get on the wrong side of them, get kicked out, etc.? Well, it's just too bad for us!

    It also reminds me of Fr. Pfeiffer's belief that he got "dibs" on the non-sedevacantist, Traditional movement (Resistance to modernism) in the United States. If a new priest leaves the SSPX and wants to start a Traditional apostolate in this country, completely opposing Modernism and Vatican II, it's "too bad for him" -- he has to go through Fr. Pfeiffer now. Fr. Pfeiffer marked out the whole territory in 2012, and now all the viable Trad chapel locations are "his" to dispose of as he sees fit. Not so -- who gave him such jurisdiction?

    They can jump in the lake.

    They're effectively claiming JURISDICTION over Traditional Catholics without using the J word. They want to have their cake and eat it too.


    Sorry, but we are not obligated to go through the SSPX, or the SSPX-MC (Pfeiffer Resistance) for that matter. To claim that we do is to literally claim that they have an actual JURISDICTION which is a one-per-church thing. (i.e., only one bishop can claim jurisdiction over the diocese of Paris -- at least within the Catholic Church)

    The SSPX is no more "special" than a single independent priest saying Mass in a hotel room in a case of necessity. To think otherwise is to be a fanboy of the SSPX and basically a cult follower.

    Too many people think the SSPX is "special". It might be the biggest, or a trad group on steroids, but there is nothing intrinsically or metaphysically different about the group "SSPX" vs. a small group of 20 faithful that have a priest drive out to say Mass in a trailer once a month. The former is just a larger version of the latter.

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    « Reply #4 on: March 19, 2015, 12:32:27 PM »
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  • Moral of the story: Being first, most famous, or largest doesn't give you any special jursidiction or rights over Traditional Catholics.

    It's like an immature teenager in the Youtube comments vying to type "FIRST!" in the comments. They get a cheap immature thrill over being the first person to comment on a video.

    But most adults realize that such a contest is foolish and immature at best.
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    « Reply #5 on: March 19, 2015, 12:50:06 PM »
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  • The way I read it they sound threatened by this consecration, especially in the last paragraph in which they try to reassure everyone they are still as they once were.  I smell FEAR.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 19, 2015, 01:10:58 PM »
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    The Society of St. Pius X denounces this episcopal consecration of Father Faure, which, despite the assertions of both clerics concerned, is not at all comparable to the consecrations of 1988. All the declarations (???) of Bishop Williamson and Fr. Faure prove abundantly that they no longer recognize the Roman authorities, except in a purely rhetorical manner.

    The Society of St. Pius X still maintains that the present state of necessity renders legitimate its action throughout the world, without denying the legitimate authority of those for whom it continues to pray at every Mass.


    This reads like something directly out of CNN or FoxNews.  This type of sneaky language and underhanded planting of ideas is truly demonic.  

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  If the SSPX doesn't want to recognize "the roman authorities" in a "purely rhetorical manner", they'd better make an agreement yesterday.  

    Un-flippin-believable.  
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    « Reply #7 on: March 19, 2015, 01:15:20 PM »
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    The Society of St. Pius X denounces this episcopal consecration of Father Faure, which, despite the assertions of both clerics concerned, is not at all comparable to the consecrations of 1988. All the declarations (???) of Bishop Williamson and Fr. Faure prove abundantly that they no longer recognize the Roman authorities, except in a purely rhetorical manner.

    The Society of St. Pius X still maintains that the present state of necessity renders legitimate its action throughout the world, without denying the legitimate authority of those for whom it continues to pray at every Mass.


    This reads like something directly out of CNN or FoxNews.  This type of sneaky language and underhanded planting of ideas is truly demonic.  

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  If the SSPX doesn't want to recognize "the roman authorities" in a "purely rhetorical manner", they'd better make an agreement yesterday.  

    Un-flippin-believable.  


    Couldn't have said it better myself.
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    « Reply #8 on: March 19, 2015, 01:21:02 PM »
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  • Now the SSPX will have to either

    A) applaud the consecration, or
    B) condemn the consecration, but distinguish how they are different

    The problem is, they are in essentially the same boat.

    UNLESS the SSPX is actively working towards and seeking an agreement with Rome.

    So in a certain respect, +Williamson is forcing the SSPX to show its hand.

    In the meantime, the SSPX communique is intensely hypocritical. The pot calling the kettle black.
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    « Reply #9 on: March 19, 2015, 01:49:49 PM »
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    Now the SSPX will have to either

    A) applaud the consecration, or
    B) condemn the consecration, but distinguish how they are different

    The problem is, they are in essentially the same boat.

    UNLESS the SSPX is actively working towards and seeking an agreement with Rome.

    So in a certain respect, +Williamson is forcing the SSPX to show its hand.

    In the meantime, the SSPX communique is intensely hypocritical. The pot calling the kettle black.


    I believe Rome will expect more from + Fellay than what he says in the communique. He has to choose sides regarding necessity or not and if he is already secretly "reintegrated", they may expose him before long. Rome is must be as tired of his ambiguity as we are.
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    « Reply #10 on: March 19, 2015, 02:11:10 PM »
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  • Wow this came out quicker than the "IPSO FACTO" pronouncement after Archbishop Lefebvre's consecrations.  Inline comments.

    Moderator note: Once again, Ladislaus is being sarcastic with these comments. Please do not take them the wrong way! As sarcasm, the comments are spot-on excellent.

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    Communiqué of the General House of the Society of St. Pius X concerning the episcopal consecration of Father Faure.
    19-03-2015  

    On March 19th 2015 Bishop Richard Williamson performed the episcopal consecration of Fr. Jean-Michel Faure at the Benedictine Monastery of the Holy Cross in Nova Friburgo, Brazil.

    Bishop Williamson and Fr. Faure have not been members of the Society of St. Pius X since 2012 and 2014, respectively, because of their violent criticisms of any relations with the Roman authorities. According to them, such contacts were incompatible with the apostolic work of Archbishop Lefebvre. Well, the former actually because he questioned the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

    The Society of St. Pius X regrets sincerely that this spirit of opposition has led to an episcopal consecration.  In 1988 Archbishop Lefebvre had clearly indicated his intention to consecrate auxiliary bishops who would have no jurisdiction Whereas the intention is for +Faure to actually HAVE jurisdiction., because of the state of necessity in which the Society of St. Pius X and faithful Catholics found themselves at that time. His sole goal was to make available to the faithful the sacraments which priests ordained by the bishops would offer.Whereas the Resistance wants to set up a counter-Church with jurisdiction. After having done everything conceivable to gain permission from the Holy See, Archbishop Lefebvre proceeded with the solemn consecrations on June 30, 1988 before several thousand priests and faithful and hundreds of journalists from around the world. Let's float Bishop Kelly's idea that the consecrations may not be valid because there weren't enough witnesses.  oh ... and +Williamson was ordained with one hand too ! It was abundantly clear from all the circuмstances that, despite the lack of authorization from Rome, this action done in the most public manner was for the good of the Church and of souls.

    The Society of St. Pius X denounces this episcopal consecration of Father Faure, which, despite the assertions of both clerics concerned, is not at all comparable to the consecrations of 1988. at all? All the declarations of Bishop Williamson and Fr. Faure prove abundantly that they no longer recognize the Roman authorities, except in a purely rhetorical manner. We on the other hand have shared espresso with the Roman authorites, and had croissants too!  That PROVES we recognize them (in the breaking of the bread).  And our picture of Francis in the vestibule is bigger than theirs!

    The Society of St. Pius X still maintains that the present state of necessity renders legitimate its action throughout the world, without denying the legitimate authority of those for whom it continues to pray at every Mass. Has The Resistance gone SV? The Society intends to continue its work of priestly formation according to its statutes. It has every intention to keep the deposit of the Faith and the purity of the Church’s moral teaching, in opposition to errors, from wherever they may come, in order to pass on such Faith and morals in the traditional liturgy and by preaching, in accordance with the missionary spirit of its founder: Credidimus caritati [1 John 4:16].
     

    Menzingen, March 19, 2015




    Obviously they're upset by the new competition.  With bishops tied to the Resistance, they'll quickly start draining numbers from the SSPX.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 19, 2015, 02:12:13 PM »
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    Says it all.
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    « Reply #12 on: March 19, 2015, 02:14:17 PM »
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  • To take the idea one step further...

    What does Rome (and the Neo-SSPX) want from Bishop Williamson?

    For him to go away, fade away -- in short, to be quiet and die.

    Up till now, he EFFECTIVELY has been given them exactly what they want. He has a weekly blog post, and he's still alive -- but he hasn't been doing much to "embarrass" the Neo-SSPX, or drive a wedge between them and Rome, by consecrating bishop(s) for example.

    What I mean is -- the average SSPX "man in the pews" isn't subscribed to Eleison Comments, so for them, +W has ceased to exist.

    Right now we see +Fellay trying to keep a foot in both camps -- the Traditional Catholic and the Conciliar Church. So anything that highlights the incompatibility of them will start to pull those two feet of +Fellay further and further apart until he looks like Jean-Claude Van Damme (in every single Van Damme movie, he always finds an excuse to show off his ability to do the "splits")

    Consecrating a new Bishop for Tradition -- that might be the thing most calculated to highlight the differences between the Trad in the Pews (who believes in Tradition, its right to exist, the need for resistance to Modernism) and Rome.

    Indeed, how can Bishop Fellay (and company) keep both sides happy now? If they condemn the consecration (which they are doing), how can they avoid the charge of hypocrisy, if not schism?
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    « Reply #13 on: March 19, 2015, 02:19:47 PM »
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  • Now, in terms of His Excellency's choice to consecrate another 70+ year-old for a Bishop, given that the role would presumably be to confer the Sacraments and would involve much travel and much energy, my feeling is that the choice was simply "transitional" (as when the Cardinals would sometimes elect a transitional pope when they couldn't really agree on who they wanted long-term) as a safety-valve or backup plan in case something happened to him (the odds of both of them going down simultaneously being slim) ... while he considers the next steps.  Or else, and this is vintage +Williamson, he thinks the ends times are so close that 70+-year-olds will carry the mission through to the end.  And, he probably feels comfortable with +Faure, having known him for so long.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 19, 2015, 02:25:31 PM »
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  • It was *very* deceptive (who is the father of lies again?) for them to imply that the motivation for this consecration was *IN ANY WAY DIFFERENT* from that of +Lefebvre. They go so far as to say it doesn't resemble "at all". They say it's night and day, absolutely different. What a lie!

    They imply that unlike +Lefebvre (who didn't intend to set up a new church, nor give jurisdiction to the 4 bishops), +Williamson intends to do both. What a foul lie from the depths of Hell!

    These men cannot be trusted. Whoever wrote this communique is working for the devil, who is the father of lies.

    This is an OFFICIAL SSPX comminique. Not a rumor, not my imagination, not a mistake. This is why I resist the SSPX and no longer support them. This is why I am opposed to the SSPX as an organization. They have lost it.

    That is why I am running an Independent chapel 40 minutes from the closest SSPX chapel. We need viable options for Tradition in this area.
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