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Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2019, 09:52:34 PM »
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  • During an exorcism of an adult convert in the Sacrament of Baptism, the person felt the devil come out of her spine.

    I've heard of the devil being "on your back" -- but having the devil literally IN your back, in your actual spinal column? That's a new one.

    And an angel is only present by his action in a place. Angels (good or bad) don't have length/height/depth -- they are pure spirits.

    So if the devil was in her spine, what was the devil DOING to her spine? I didn't think the spine was a common locus of demonic activity in the possessed.
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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #16 on: February 16, 2019, 11:56:54 PM »
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  • As for the removal of the devil from most of the NO bishops' spines it would be mission impossible because their backbones have already been thoroughly removed.


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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #17 on: February 17, 2019, 06:58:22 AM »
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  • Let's just say I'm becoming increasingly not-impressed by Fr. Poisson.

    Imprudent, emotional, unstable -- and that's the best-case scenario.
    Now we understand why he is at olmc.

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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #18 on: February 17, 2019, 09:05:44 AM »
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  • "MaryM" on one of the micro (less than 130 member) forums did a bunch of research on Fr. Poisson. Now tiny forums disappear all the time, taking all their posts with them. So I decided to archive her research here on CathInfo, so it will be available until the end of time or until the Internet/modern world collapses, whichever comes first.

    NOTE: This was posted October 2018. So some of her information is going to be out of date (such as Ambrose Moran being at OLMC)



    "Fr. Joseph Poisson was released from the FSSP for being too traditional." -- Admin, "senior member" of the catacombs, July 25, 2018.

    "Father Poisson was suspended by the Fraternity of St. Peter several years ago for failure to report to an assignment."
    Nancy LaRoza
    Administrative Assistant
    Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter
    North American District Headquarters

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    Fr. Joseph Poisson -- ex-FSSP

    born Jul 22, 1962
    ordained Oct 26, 1996
    (no bishop name identified)
    http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/Directory_2010.pdf

    I can find nothing about him between his ordination of 1996 and 2001, nor from Jan 2014 to 2018 when he showed up at OLMC, KY.

    Conditionally ordained by Ambrose Moran, June/July 2018, now working under Moran at Fr. Pfeiffer's OLMC seminary.

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    "I know of no complaints against Fr. Poisson of that type [sɛҳuąƖ or perverted]." -- Nancy LaRoza, Admin Asst. FSSP HQ

    [NOTE: Fr. Poisson is not listed in any of these sex abuse reports]

    2005 sex abuse report listed these priests in the Philadelphia diocese:
    http://www.bishop-accountability.org/pa_philadelphia/Philly_GJ_report.htm

    Grand jury report on 300 pervert priests in six of eight Catholic dioceses in PA (Allentown, Scranton, hαɾɾιsburg, Pittsburgh, Greensburg, and Erie) will be out Aug 8 or Aug 14.
    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/pennsylvania-supreme-court-order-redacted-report-on-clergy-sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-20180727.html?mobi=true

    "It is, legal experts say, among the most expansive investigations into clergy abuse in the country, one that will provide a panoramic view into the church’s handling of the scandal, dating back decades, across most of the state."
    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-catholic-church-diocese-shapiro-clergy-sex-abuse-children-20180617.html

    note: Fr. Poisson held positions in both the Scranton and hαɾɾιsburg dioceses (see history below).

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    July 2001 (last updated) Canada: St. Patrick Church, 31 Chestnut St., St. Catharines, ON L2T 1G8
    http://holywar.org/latMess.html

    Sept 2004 in Oklahoma City in residence
    https://forums.catholic.com/t/terrible-first-rcia-meeting/6461/2

    May 8, 2005 to January 7, 2007 Mater Dei Latin Mass Community
    Saint Lawrence Chapel, 110 State Street, hαɾɾιsburg, PA 17101
    http://sursumcorda.weebly.com/share-your-tlm-story.html http://sursumcorda.weebly.com/index.html

    Dec 2007 prayer request Phoenix, AZ
    http://www.phoenixlatinmass.org/docs/notitiae/20071223.pdf

    Sept 2009 Reassigned
    In Canada w/ Fr. Blust under Bishop F.B. Henry St. Anthony’s Parish, 5340 4th St. SW, Calgary, AB, T2V 0Z5
    http://www.the-carillon.com/2009-pdfs/07-2009.pdf
    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/12/please-read-letter-that-i-wrote.html

    2010 in London
    http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/Directory_2010.pdf

    before Feb 2011 Chaplain in Calgary
    https://fisheaters.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=42052

    July 2011 diocese of London
    http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/july172011.pdf

    2011 Canada
    DIOCESE OF HAMILTON UNDER BISHOP ANTHONY TONNOS
    Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter
    CHAPLAIN: FR. WEBB, FSSP
    IN RESIDENCE: FR. POISSON, FSSP
    Queen of Angels Oratory
    75 ROLLS AVE,
    ST. CATHARINES, ON L2N 1W3
    PHONE: 905-680-0447 / FAX: 905-937-4826
    and
    St. Anne’s Roman Catholic Church
    268 East Ave. Kitchener, Ontario
    http://wikimapia.org/15031488/Queen-of-Angels-Oratory
    https://kitchenerlatinmass.com/about/history/
    http://web2.airmail.net/~/z1515275/EFMass/churches21.htm
    http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/Directory_2010.pdf

    May 2011 reassigned from Canada to Nigeria mission
    https://www.facebook.com/185193784837373/posts/fr-joseph-poisson-will-be/207766452580106/
    https://kitchenerlatinmass.com/about/history/

    Oct 2012 Assistant pastor at St. Michael the Archangel Church, 1703 Jackson St., Scranton, PA 18504 tel (570) 961-1205; fax (570) 961-2284
    https://fssp.com/fr-gregory-bartholomew-fssp-first-mass/
    https://community.babycenter.com/post/a37810282/frustrated...priest_seems_uninterested_in_us_being_catholic?cpg=4

    July 2013 still asst pastor at St. Michael in Scranton, PA
    http://saintmichaelsrcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Eighth-Sunday-after-Pentecost-7-14-13.pdf

    December 2013 still at St. Michael, Scranton, PA
    http://dioceseofscrantonarchive.org/clight/CatholicLight12-26-13.pdf

    Jan 2014 AZ prayer request
    http://www.phoenixlatinmass.org/docs/notitiae/20140112.pdf

    "Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" book
    http://www.holysacrificeofthemass.com/index.html
    Holy Hour (Father Joseph Poisson, F.S.S.P.)
    http://www.holysacrificeofthemass.com/book-main.html#80
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    note:
    Bishop James Timlin retired from the Scranton Diocese on July 25, 2003. He was replaced by Joseph Francis Martino, a former Auxiliary Bishop of Philadelphia, consecrated by Anthony Cardinal Bevilacqua. On November 19, 2004 Bishop Martino issued a canonical decree of suppression against the Society of St. John.
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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #19 on: February 18, 2019, 08:15:31 AM »
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  • Interestingly, the catacombs.com absolutely refuses to publish this letter by fr. Poisson.  I have tried four times, without any commentary, and they deleted the post/thread each time.

    I wonder why?


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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #20 on: February 18, 2019, 08:55:31 AM »
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  • he felt he did not need a conditional ordination.  But he submitted himself for conditional ordination to a man whom he thought was a bishop.  So, he committed sacrilege?
    Ordaining conditionally without "a good reason" is a mis-use of the sacrament. "A good reason", traditionally-speaking, meant a positive doubt about the validity of the sacrament. A mis-use of a sacrament is a sacrilege. However, be careful about attributing sin.
    I am aware of at least one trad priest, ordained in the N.O., who (in his words) didn't doubt his ordination, but was conditionally ordained "for the sake of the faithful". Perhaps that is "a good reason" in these difficult times? Traditional sacramental theology doesn't really discuss that situation.

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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #21 on: February 18, 2019, 09:53:49 AM »
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  • Interestingly, the catacombs.com absolutely refuses to publish this letter by fr. Poisson.  I have tried four times, without any commentary, and they deleted the post/thread each time.

    I wonder why?

    They are probably rightly embarrassed by it.

    Though to be honest, I don't know all the fine details about OLMC, its splinter groups, chapels, ex-chapels, clerical personalities, lay personalities, several micro-fora (each with < 130 members) and handful of priests, each with complex background and loyalties. And yes, a lot of those positions/loyalties/associations change with time, and that's the worst part. I can't keep up, and I am usually well-informed about the Trad world.

    Take everything you've ever heard negative about the Resistance -- it actually applies to these people. They really do give the Resistance a bad name. Too bad there's no way to gatekeep or restrict usage of the term "SSPX Resistance" -- unfortunately, anyone can join or claim membership. Including the mentally ill and all sorts of malicious people.

    As I said in another thread, the only answer is to distinguish "Is this a symptom of a fundamental problem, from the top-down, it HAD to happen" or is it just a case of a bad individual coincidentally being part of a group? One shouldn't dismiss the whole group if the latter is true.

    If you leave every group you find a bad person in, you will end up living in the desert, alone. Because Original Sin.
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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #22 on: February 18, 2019, 10:39:22 AM »
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  • Ordaining conditionally without "a good reason" is a mis-use of the sacrament. "A good reason", traditionally-speaking, meant a positive doubt about the validity of the sacrament. A mis-use of a sacrament is a sacrilege. However, be careful about attributing sin.
    I am aware of at least one trad priest, ordained in the N.O., who (in his words) didn't doubt his ordination, but was conditionally ordained "for the sake of the faithful". Perhaps that is "a good reason" in these difficult times? Traditional sacramental theology doesn't really discuss that situation.

    SSPX have long (well before the Resistance movement) used the excuse of assuaging the concerns of the faithful as the pretext for doing conditional ordinations.  It's a political move.  They know that many of the faithful have doubts about the NO Holy Orders, so they would lose a lot of people.  But, due to playing politics with Rome, they didn't want to openly call their Rites into doubt.  So they came up with this middle line.  But, as you point out, it's borderline sacrilegeous to administer the Sacrament even conditionally for political reasons.  Either you hold them to be in positive doubt or you do not.

    And this old line about, "well, the intentions of the NO bishops and priests are questionable" ... that constitutes NEGATIVE doubt.  If the rite is inherently valid, then the intention is presumed unless some specific concrete circuмstances comes to light that would create POSITIVE doubt (e.g., "I heard Bishop [such-and-such] say that he didn't intent to confer Holy Orders on [a certain candidate]").  Even if the NO Bishop had heretical views about the Sacrament, he would still validly confect it so long as he thought that he was doing what the Church does.

    So the SSPX have been playing games with the Sacraments for a very long time now.


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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #23 on: February 18, 2019, 10:42:35 AM »
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  • Take everything you've ever heard negative about the Resistance -- it actually applies to these people. They really do give the Resistance a bad name. Too bad there's no way to gatekeep or restrict usage of the term "SSPX Resistance" -- unfortunately, anyone can join or claim membership. Including the mentally ill and all sorts of malicious people.

    Well, that's because there's no actual formal group called "The Resistance" ... as per Bishop Williamson.  Bishop Williamson has long resisted calls to formalize a group but wants to think of the situation in the Church as just pockets of Catholics around the world attempting to keep the faith.  To prevent this kind of thing from happening, someone would have to formally create some kind of organization.

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    « Reply #24 on: February 18, 2019, 11:46:20 AM »
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  • Quote
    Well, that's because there's no actual formal group called "The Resistance" ... as per Bishop Williamson.  Bishop Williamson has long resisted calls to formalize a group but wants to think of the situation in the Church as just pockets of Catholics around the world attempting to keep the faith.  To prevent this kind of thing from happening, someone would have to formally create some kind of organization.

    Though I do not have a high regard for the author of this post, nevertheless, reminded that a broken clock is right at least twice a day, he is absolutely right.  There is no formal "Resistance;" and according to my understanding anyway, Bp. Williamson has never committed to heading formally something called the "Resistance," nor has he endorsed the formation of a central organization, modeled after Menzingen. He has, on the other hand, recommended quite clearly, that independent, loosely aligned traditional chapels should emerge, having no central organization or centralized authority.

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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #25 on: February 18, 2019, 12:07:29 PM »
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  • Though I do not have a high regard for the author of this post, ...

    You're being too kind, and grossly understating this  :laugh1:

    but, yes, my understanding of Bishop Williamson's philosophy regarding a Resistance lines up exactly with how you described it.

    So people simply "self-identify" as Resistance.  I claim to support the Resistance and be aligned with its principles, and there's no organization to say, "no you don't".

    This does create issues.  So, for instance, there are a group of Flat Earth advocates who constantly promote Bishop Williamson and the Resistance ... in such a way as to imply that Bishop Williamson endorses their position on that subject.  But when pressed on the issue, the admit that His Excellency does not.

    Yet this creates a ton of gray.  And Bishop Williamson doesn't necessarily think it's a bad thing, considering it just to be in the nature of this crisis.  It does have its pros and its cons not to have a formal organization.  We could go through them, but I'm sure everyone can come up with many.


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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #26 on: February 18, 2019, 12:38:20 PM »
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  • Well, that's because there's no actual formal group called "The Resistance" ... as per Bishop Williamson.  Bishop Williamson has long resisted calls to formalize a group but wants to think of the situation in the Church as just pockets of Catholics around the world attempting to keep the faith.  To prevent this kind of thing from happening, someone would have to formally create some kind of organization.
    What if Bishop Williamson did create a group back in 2012 or decide he made a mistake in not staring an organized central group (but still keep all his personal beliefs about all the other controversies) and started a centralized group now. Would Pablo, Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Fr. Raphael, Greg Taylor and all the rest join him? What about all the other French priests that joined the Resistance back in 2012-2013 only to become independent sedevacantist or non una-cuм?
    Most likely if there was a group headed by Bishop Williamson, I still think there would be the same division as we have now. Maybe the only thing that would be different is that MCSPX and SAJM would be one organization.

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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #27 on: February 18, 2019, 01:34:24 PM »
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  • What if Bishop Williamson did create a group back in 2012 or decide he made a mistake in not staring an organized central group (but still keep all his personal beliefs about all the other controversies) and started a centralized group now. Would Pablo, Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Fr. Raphael, Greg Taylor and all the rest join him? What about all the other French priests that joined the Resistance back in 2012-2013 only to become independent sedevacantist or non una-cuм?
    Most likely if there was a group headed by Bishop Williamson, I still think there would be the same division as we have now. Maybe the only thing that would be different is that MCSPX and SAJM would be one organization.

    This is only my personal opinion, but I thought the same thing. Namely, that it would be worse if +W attempted to bring everyone in and had marginal success.

    Just the idea that you wanted something that didn't happen suggests your will is out of line with God's will or something. Archbishop Lefebvre succeeded with the SSPX -- because that was God's will. It was a different time. But was +ABL lucky? Or did he attempt to create the SSPX *because* and only because it was God's will?

    When you try to do something and fail, it makes you look bad. And not just from a shallow, selfish, PR standpoint either. It makes you look out of touch with God's will, like you weren't very wise or prudent, not being able to read the board.

    On the other hand, it is true that God wants us to try our best and He is not so concerned with results. So, for example, offering Mass to the Faithful, setting up Resistance chapels -- "you have to try" because not trying really isn't an option. We need the Sacraments. The priests have to keep being faithful priests (for someone, for some group) and the Faithful need Mass as often as possible. So even if the Resistance doesn't take off like gangbusters, you still have to stick with it, because the alternative is what, waiting for death? Giving up on the Faith? Compromise? These aren't valid alternatives.

    But starting a large, centralized, monolithic, Trad group is not essential to the Faith or the salvation of souls. So if a bishop for example looked at the board and realized it wasn't called for, it reflects well on him to not have attempted it in the first place.

    Just for starters, the numbers aren't there. I'd like to know what year +ABL had the same number of priests and Faithful. Probably 1970. Seriously, the Resistance is extremely tiny, and so many priests who jumped ship just wanted to be independent, and almost used the SSPX sellout as an excuse or a chance to strike out on their own. Priests are human too, and who wouldn't prefer to be their own boss, when it comes right down to it? To live where you want, have Mass where you prefer, hang around the people you like, keep your own schedule, travel as much/little as you want, etc.

    Priests AND laymen suffer from the same problem: only a small percentage have what it takes to be saints, to really make headway over human nature and sinful inclinations.
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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
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  • So if the devil was in her spine, what was the devil DOING to her spine? I didn't think the spine was a common locus of demonic activity in the possessed.


    In Kundalini Yoga , the point of the exercises is to release the "snake" (demon) curled at the base of the spine. So, yes I think a demon can inhabit and be limited to a particular part of the body. I'm not vouching for anyone, just  commenting.

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    Re: Comedy Gold - Letter from Fr. Poisson "baby had a bowel movement"
    « Reply #29 on: March 12, 2019, 12:42:01 AM »
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  • He was ordained in the Fraternity of St. Peter. If you don't think Fr. Poisson is a real priest, you should say the same about all the other priests of the FSSP. And the ICKSP, IBP, etc.

    That would be the logical conclusion. An alarming one, too.