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Author Topic: Lady of Good Success Prophecy about +Lefebvre  (Read 2703 times)

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Re: Lady of Good Success Prophecy about +Lefebvre
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2019, 10:53:05 AM »
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I said the SSPX is more effective in contributing toward the salvation of souls worldwide and therefore in my opinion is the best traditional order worldwide.
Your opinion on the effectiveness or spiritual good of an order or church is irrelevant as a layman.  You have no rights to decide these questions, per Canon Law.  You have a moral obligation, under pain of mortal sin, to be under jurisdiction of your local Bishop, if you believe he is a valid Bishop.  You have the moral obligation, under pain of mortal sin, to attend mass at your local diocese.  Those who accept the local diocese as valid must obey their local bishop or you're a schismatic and will go to hell for disobeying Church Law.

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I don't consider the others non-Catholic, but less good. The need of the hour is at least 10,000 traditional Mass centres every Sunday if not more frequently, and all traditional orders combined have not reached that yet. I don't consider the SSPX outside full communion, so that's just a strawman that is gratuitously asserted.
If you consider the local diocese and all new-rite bishops to be 1) valid and 2) hold jurisdiction from the pope, and 3) provide valid mass/sacraments, then you have no excuse for attending the sspx, no matter how orthodox the diocesan priests are or aren't. 
You reject every argument that Traditionalism makes for why they are Traditionalist (and the new-sspx increasingly does the same).  Therefore, your attendance at a Trad chapel is baseless and sinful (for you).  It is not sinful for true Trads because we find quasi-heresies and doubt where you do not.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2019, 11:23:00 AM »
I don't consider the SSPX outside full communion, so that's just a strawman that is gratuitously asserted.

You apply wishful thinking in pretending that SSPX is in full communion.  This is no strawman.  Put the question to any Novus Ordo prelate, including Francis Bergoglio and they would agree that there isn't full communion.  So the gratuitous assertion is entirely on your part.  They are not in or under any ordinary jurisdictional structure of the Church but operate a rogue operation outside of the Church's jurisdiction.  Because Bergoglio has offered to supply jurisdiction for their Confession, this does not put them into full Communion.  Burden of proof is entire on you to demonstrate the existence of full communion.


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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2019, 11:24:06 AM »
Your opinion on the effectiveness or spiritual good of an order or church is irrelevant as a layman.  You have no rights to decide these questions, per Canon Law.  You have a moral obligation, under pain of mortal sin, to be under jurisdiction of your local Bishop, if you believe he is a valid Bishop.  You have the moral obligation, under pain of mortal sin, to attend mass at your local diocese.  Those who accept the local diocese as valid must obey their local bishop or you're a schismatic and will go to hell for disobeying Church Law.
If you consider the local diocese and all new-rite bishops to be 1) valid and 2) hold jurisdiction from the pope, and 3) provide valid mass/sacraments, then you have no excuse for attending the sspx, no matter how orthodox the diocesan priests are or aren't.
You reject every argument that Traditionalism makes for why they are Traditionalist (and the new-sspx increasingly does the same).  Therefore, your attendance at a Trad chapel is baseless and sinful (for you).  It is not sinful for true Trads because we find quasi-heresies and doubt where you do not.

Right, and he considers groups like FSSP and ICK to be completely Catholic and good ... just less good.  This man is clearly in schism.  There need to be grave reasons of conscience for someone to withdraw from full Communion with the Catholic hierarchy.

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Re: Lady of Good Success Prophecy about +Lefebvre
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2019, 11:33:10 AM »
I don't know why you jump to conclusions and why you are so hostile.

I'm hostile because you're spewing error with every post, and you've shown yourself to be a Modernist in a number of areas.  In particular, you are driven by emotion-based touchy-feely pseudo-theology which is incredibly pernicious.

There's too much of this stuff plaguing the Traditional movement, from Father Hewko to "Father" Poisson.  You too will soon be citing a baby's bowel movement in the presence of Bishop Fellay as a reason for your attending the SSPX.
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/comedy-gold-letter-from-fr-poisson-'baby-had-a-bowel-movement'/

Matthew has rightly called out the outwardly pious and devout, but hyper-emotional, priest syndrome, where their convictions and principles and theology are polluted by emotional considerations.  You are squarely in that same camp.