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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Matthew on February 16, 2019, 01:52:56 PM
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Dear Faithful,
It has been suggested that I say a few words before my upcoming sermons explaining why I am positively certain that I am a Catholic ordained priest. Even though I was always certain, I went through the private ceremony last July since it was the normal procedure of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and to help calm any doubts of the faithful. If we look at some of the things that happened to me after my ordination over 22 years ago, one would conclude the ordination 22 years ago must have been valid.
A few things that have stuck in my failing memory are the following:
At my first solemn Mass on the Feast of Christ the King, a young man told me afterwards that he had smelled the aroma of roses when I walked down the aisle.
At my Thanksgiving pilgrimage Mass at Our Lady's Shrine near Quebec City, during the purification of my chalice at the second ablutions, red blood stains appeared on my purificator. This private miracle happened one more time in 2006 near hαɾɾιsburg at my Sunday Mass on the Feast of the Most Holy Trinity.
During an exorcism of an adult convert in the Sacrament of Baptism, the person felt the devil come out of her spine.
A baby in St. Catharines Ontario Canada only a few days old had the grave problem of not being able to do any bowel movements and was constantly crying. Immediately after I gave it the priest blessing for sick infants, the baby had a bowel movement.
I have done hundreds of cases of giving the Sacrament of Extreme Unction to the sick and dying with visible results of spiritual and, or physical cures.
The visible results of spiritual peace and conversions when people go to Confession to me are also innumerable.
In the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
Father Joseph Poisson
Source: In This Sign You Shall Conquer Mailing List
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Fr. Poisson: "I am a validly ordained Catholic priest BECAUSE FEELZ".
What is the matter with him? Why is he so sentimental, aloof from facts and reason, and centered like a woman on the realm of feelings and subjectivity?
So we are to just assume he's a priest, because
Some man smelled roses when he walked by (sure it wasn't the incense, or someone's perfume?)
A woman felt the devil leave her spine
A baby pooped its diaper
How about we do it the old fashioned way, Fr. Poisson, and have you conditionally ordained by a validly consecrated Bishop?
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It's time to repeat: WHY did Fr. Poisson leave the FSSP, and then decide to join the tiny, scandalous, disorganized group in Boston, KY of all places?
Fr. Pfeiffer's group has NOTHING going for it. Not a Catholic spirit, not organization, not truth, not numbers, not money, not comfort, not fame (unless you count notoriety), and not a single bishop.
Furthermore, there are several scandalous priests associated with Boston, KY, including Ambrose Moran, Fr. Tetherow and Fr. Roberts. Not to mention Pablo. What priest would want to bring a cloud of suspicion over himself by associating with such a group? What kind of desperation would it take? What kind of damaged goods would think joining Fr. Pfeiffer is a good idea?
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Fr. Poisson has declared himself a saint? His claims should be thoroughly investigated! How is it there is a miracle working priest about whom the world knows nothing? I don't know Fr. Poisson, so maybe it's all true, but I honestly doubt it. I personally know a woman who feels that she converses with St. Anne and the Virgin Mary. That, too, could be true, but the fact that she is the resident of a care home for the mentally ill mitigates against it.
Imagine telling Bp. Williamson how much you FEEL holy as evidence of your priesthood?
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Dear Faithful,
It has been suggested that I say a few words before my upcoming sermons explaining why I am positively certain that I am a Catholic ordained priest. Even though I was always certain, I went through the private ceremony last July since it was the normal procedure of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and to help calm any doubts of the faithful. If we look at some of the things that happened to me after my ordination over 22 years ago, one would conclude the ordination 22 years ago must have been valid.
A few things that have stuck in my failing memory are the following:
At my first solemn Mass on the Feast of Christ the King, a young man told me afterwards that he had smelled the aroma of roses when I walked down the aisle.
At my Thanksgiving pilgrimage Mass at Our Lady's Shrine near Quebec City, during the purification of my chalice at the second ablutions, red blood stains appeared on my purificator. This private miracle happened one more time in 2006 near hαɾɾιsburg at my Sunday Mass on the Feast of the Most Holy Trinity.
During an exorcism of an adult convert in the Sacrament of Baptism, the person felt the devil come out of her spine.
A baby in St. Catharines Ontario Canada only a few days old had the grave problem of not being able to do any bowel movements and was constantly crying. Immediately after I gave it the priest blessing for sick infants, the baby had a bowel movement.
I have done hundreds of cases of giving the Sacrament of Extreme Unction to the sick and dying with visible results of spiritual and, or physical cures.
The visible results of spiritual peace and conversions when people go to Confession to me are also innumerable.
In the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
Father Joseph Poisson
Source: In This Sign You Shall Conquer Mailing List
After reading this, do we honestly want him to be a priest at all?
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Dear Faithful,
It has been suggested that I say a few words before my upcoming sermons explaining why I am positively certain that I am a Catholic ordained priest. Even though I was always certain, I went through the private ceremony last July since it was the normal procedure of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and to help calm any doubts of the faithful. If we look at some of the things that happened to me after my ordination over 22 years ago, one would conclude the ordination 22 years ago must have been valid.
A few things that have stuck in my failing memory are the following:
At my first solemn Mass on the Feast of Christ the King, a young man told me afterwards that he had smelled the aroma of roses when I walked down the aisle.
At my Thanksgiving pilgrimage Mass at Our Lady's Shrine near Quebec City, during the purification of my chalice at the second ablutions, red blood stains appeared on my purificator. This private miracle happened one more time in 2006 near hαɾɾιsburg at my Sunday Mass on the Feast of the Most Holy Trinity.
During an exorcism of an adult convert in the Sacrament of Baptism, the person felt the devil come out of her spine.
A baby in St. Catharines Ontario Canada only a few days old had the grave problem of not being able to do any bowel movements and was constantly crying. Immediately after I gave it the priest blessing for sick infants, the baby had a bowel movement.
I have done hundreds of cases of giving the Sacrament of Extreme Unction to the sick and dying with visible results of spiritual and, or physical cures.
The visible results of spiritual peace and conversions when people go to Confession to me are also innumerable.
In the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
Father Joseph Poisson
Source: In This Sign You Shall Conquer Mailing List
Is it a sacrilege for a priest to submit to a conditional ordination if the priest believes it is unnecessary?
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Fr. Poisson: "I am a validly ordained Catholic priest BECAUSE FEELZ".
What is the matter with him? Why is he so sentimental, aloof from facts and reason, and centered like a woman on the realm of feelings and subjectivity?
So we are to just assume he's a priest, because
Some man smelled roses when he walked by (sure it wasn't the incense, or someone's perfume?)
A woman felt the devil leave her spine
A baby pooped its diaper
How about we do it the old fashioned way, Fr. Poisson, and have you conditionally ordained by a validly consecrated Bishop?
I agree. If this weren't so sad, it'd be funny. I do not think this man is mentally stable. Feelings do not make one a priest. Proven miracles do not make a priest. Right now I feel lousy, so I guess I'm a louse.
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Was it not stated somewhere on Cathinfo that Fr Poisson was released from the FSSP because he was too conservative?
He was certainly wound up too tightly, to coin a phrase,and generally puritanical,as observed during his posting in Alberta, before I finally dumped the FSSP crowd. After reading this letter, it is apparent that he has now snapped. Apart from reeking of subjectivity, the letter lacks humility. As for comedy gold, most definitely.....
"Ego te baptizo......."
Clean up at the baptismal font and nearby church aisle!
Was it the scent of roses, or perhaps twas lavender? or MaryJane?
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Was it not stated somewhere on Cathinfo that Fr Poisson was released from the FSSP because he was too conservative?
He was kicked out of the FSSP for failing to show up where he was assigned.
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Is it a sacrilege for a priest to submit to a conditional ordination if the priest believes it is unnecessary?
If there is no positive doubt, yes, it should be.
I agree the letter above sounds odd. However, Fr. Hesse is liked by some here, and Fr. Hesse said something similar, although Fr. Hesse also had theological reasons. (See following video @56:15 for about a minute.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gPX7XEBdUQ&t=56m15s
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But if "pablotheMexican, Chief in Charge The Resistance World-wide Jurisdiction" approved him how can there possibly remain any doubt?
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If there is no positive doubt, yes, it should be.
I agree the letter above sounds odd. However, Fr. Hesse is liked by some here, and Fr. Hesse said something similar, although Fr. Hesse also had theological reasons. (See following video @56:15 for about a minute.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gPX7XEBdUQ&t=56m15s
Fr. Poisson, in the letter above, states he felt he did not need a conditional ordination. But he submitted himself for conditional ordination to a man whom he thought was a bishop. So, he committed sacrilege?
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He was kicked out of the FSSP for failing to show up where he was assigned.
Thank you for the clarification. :pray:
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At my first solemn Mass on the Feast of Christ the King, a young man told me afterwards that he had smelled the aroma of roses when I walked down the aisle.
Well, this settles it for me.
:facepalm:
I recall a woman saying one time that she knew that the consecration of Bishop Daniel Dolan was valid because she felt the Holy Spirit.
But that was a lay woman.
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Let's just say I'm becoming increasingly not-impressed by Fr. Poisson.
Imprudent, emotional, unstable -- and that's the best-case scenario.
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During an exorcism of an adult convert in the Sacrament of Baptism, the person felt the devil come out of her spine.
I've heard of the devil being "on your back" -- but having the devil literally IN your back, in your actual spinal column? That's a new one.
And an angel is only present by his action in a place. Angels (good or bad) don't have length/height/depth -- they are pure spirits.
So if the devil was in her spine, what was the devil DOING to her spine? I didn't think the spine was a common locus of demonic activity in the possessed.
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As for the removal of the devil from most of the NO bishops' spines it would be mission impossible because their backbones have already been thoroughly removed.
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Let's just say I'm becoming increasingly not-impressed by Fr. Poisson.
Imprudent, emotional, unstable -- and that's the best-case scenario.
Now we understand why he is at olmc.
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"MaryM" on one of the micro (less than 130 member) forums did a bunch of research on Fr. Poisson. Now tiny forums disappear all the time, taking all their posts with them. So I decided to archive her research here on CathInfo, so it will be available until the end of time or until the Internet/modern world collapses, whichever comes first.
NOTE: This was posted October 2018. So some of her information is going to be out of date (such as Ambrose Moran being at OLMC)
"Fr. Joseph Poisson was released from the FSSP for being too traditional." -- Admin, "senior member" of the catacombs, July 25, 2018.
"Father Poisson was suspended by the Fraternity of St. Peter several years ago for failure to report to an assignment."
Nancy LaRoza
Administrative Assistant
Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter
North American District Headquarters
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Fr. Joseph Poisson -- ex-FSSP
born Jul 22, 1962
ordained Oct 26, 1996
(no bishop name identified)
http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/Directory_2010.pdf (http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/Directory_2010.pdf)
I can find nothing about him between his ordination of 1996 and 2001, nor from Jan 2014 to 2018 when he showed up at OLMC, KY.
Conditionally ordained by Ambrose Moran, June/July 2018, now working under Moran at Fr. Pfeiffer's OLMC seminary.
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"I know of no complaints against Fr. Poisson of that type [sɛҳuąƖ or perverted]." -- Nancy LaRoza, Admin Asst. FSSP HQ
[NOTE: Fr. Poisson is not listed in any of these sex abuse reports]
2005 sex abuse report listed these priests in the Philadelphia diocese:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/pa_philadelphia/Philly_GJ_report.htm (http://www.bishop-accountability.org/pa_philadelphia/Philly_GJ_report.htm)
Grand jury report on 300 pervert priests in six of eight Catholic dioceses in PA (Allentown, Scranton, hαɾɾιsburg, Pittsburgh, Greensburg, and Erie) will be out Aug 8 or Aug 14.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/pennsylvania-supreme-court-order-redacted-report-on-clergy-sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-20180727.html?mobi=true (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/pennsylvania-supreme-court-order-redacted-report-on-clergy-sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-20180727.html?mobi=true)
"It is, legal experts say, among the most expansive investigations into clergy abuse in the country, one that will provide a panoramic view into the church’s handling of the scandal, dating back decades, across most of the state."
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-catholic-church-diocese-shapiro-clergy-sex-abuse-children-20180617.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-catholic-church-diocese-shapiro-clergy-sex-abuse-children-20180617.html)
note: Fr. Poisson held positions in both the Scranton and hαɾɾιsburg dioceses (see history below).
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July 2001 (last updated) Canada: St. Patrick Church, 31 Chestnut St., St. Catharines, ON L2T 1G8
http://holywar.org/latMess.html (http://holywar.org/latMess.html)
Sept 2004 in Oklahoma City in residence
https://forums.catholic.com/t/terrible-first-rcia-meeting/6461/2 (https://forums.catholic.com/t/terrible-first-rcia-meeting/6461/2)
May 8, 2005 to January 7, 2007 Mater Dei Latin Mass Community
Saint Lawrence Chapel, 110 State Street, hαɾɾιsburg, PA 17101
http://sursumcorda.weebly.com/share-your-tlm-story.html (http://sursumcorda.weebly.com/share-your-tlm-story.html) http://sursumcorda.weebly.com/index.html (http://sursumcorda.weebly.com/index.html)
Dec 2007 prayer request Phoenix, AZ
http://www.phoenixlatinmass.org/docs/notitiae/20071223.pdf (http://www.phoenixlatinmass.org/docs/notitiae/20071223.pdf)
Sept 2009 Reassigned
In Canada w/ Fr. Blust under Bishop F.B. Henry St. Anthony’s Parish, 5340 4th St. SW, Calgary, AB, T2V 0Z5
http://www.the-carillon.com/2009-pdfs/07-2009.pdf (http://www.the-carillon.com/2009-pdfs/07-2009.pdf)
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/12/please-read-letter-that-i-wrote.html (https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/12/please-read-letter-that-i-wrote.html)
2010 in London
http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/Directory_2010.pdf (http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/Directory_2010.pdf)
before Feb 2011 Chaplain in Calgary
https://fisheaters.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=42052 (https://fisheaters.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=42052)
July 2011 diocese of London
http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/july172011.pdf (http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/july172011.pdf)
2011 Canada
DIOCESE OF HAMILTON UNDER BISHOP ANTHONY TONNOS
Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter
CHAPLAIN: FR. WEBB, FSSP
IN RESIDENCE: FR. POISSON, FSSP
Queen of Angels Oratory
75 ROLLS AVE,
ST. CATHARINES, ON L2N 1W3
PHONE: 905-680-0447 / FAX: 905-937-4826
and
St. Anne’s Roman Catholic Church
268 East Ave. Kitchener, Ontario
http://wikimapia.org/15031488/Queen-of-Angels-Oratory (http://wikimapia.org/15031488/Queen-of-Angels-Oratory)
https://kitchenerlatinmass.com/about/history/ (https://kitchenerlatinmass.com/about/history/)
http://web2.airmail.net/~/z1515275/EFMass/churches21.htm (http://web2.airmail.net/~/z1515275/EFMass/churches21.htm)
http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/Directory_2010.pdf (http://wp.dol.ca/webportal/uploads/Directory_2010.pdf)
May 2011 reassigned from Canada to Nigeria mission
https://www.facebook.com/185193784837373/posts/fr-joseph-poisson-will-be/207766452580106/ (https://www.facebook.com/185193784837373/posts/fr-joseph-poisson-will-be/207766452580106/)
https://kitchenerlatinmass.com/about/history/ (https://kitchenerlatinmass.com/about/history/)
Oct 2012 Assistant pastor at St. Michael the Archangel Church, 1703 Jackson St., Scranton, PA 18504 tel (570) 961-1205; fax (570) 961-2284
https://fssp.com/fr-gregory-bartholomew-fssp-first-mass/ (https://fssp.com/fr-gregory-bartholomew-fssp-first-mass/)
https://community.babycenter.com/post/a37810282/frustrated...priest_seems_uninterested_in_us_being_catholic?cpg=4 (https://community.babycenter.com/post/a37810282/frustrated...priest_seems_uninterested_in_us_being_catholic?cpg=4)
July 2013 still asst pastor at St. Michael in Scranton, PA
http://saintmichaelsrcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Eighth-Sunday-after-Pentecost-7-14-13.pdf (http://saintmichaelsrcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Eighth-Sunday-after-Pentecost-7-14-13.pdf)
December 2013 still at St. Michael, Scranton, PA
http://dioceseofscrantonarchive.org/clight/CatholicLight12-26-13.pdf (http://dioceseofscrantonarchive.org/clight/CatholicLight12-26-13.pdf)
Jan 2014 AZ prayer request
http://www.phoenixlatinmass.org/docs/notitiae/20140112.pdf (http://www.phoenixlatinmass.org/docs/notitiae/20140112.pdf)
"Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" book
http://www.holysacrificeofthemass.com/index.html (http://www.holysacrificeofthemass.com/index.html)
Holy Hour (Father Joseph Poisson, F.S.S.P.)
http://www.holysacrificeofthemass.com/book-main.html#80 (http://www.holysacrificeofthemass.com/book-main.html#80)
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note:
Bishop James Timlin retired from the Scranton Diocese on July 25, 2003. He was replaced by Joseph Francis Martino, a former Auxiliary Bishop of Philadelphia, consecrated by Anthony Cardinal Bevilacqua. On November 19, 2004 Bishop Martino issued a canonical decree of suppression against the Society of St. John.
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Interestingly, the catacombs.com absolutely refuses to publish this letter by fr. Poisson. I have tried four times, without any commentary, and they deleted the post/thread each time.
I wonder why?
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he felt he did not need a conditional ordination. But he submitted himself for conditional ordination to a man whom he thought was a bishop. So, he committed sacrilege?
Ordaining conditionally without "a good reason" is a mis-use of the sacrament. "A good reason", traditionally-speaking, meant a positive doubt about the validity of the sacrament. A mis-use of a sacrament is a sacrilege. However, be careful about attributing sin.
I am aware of at least one trad priest, ordained in the N.O., who (in his words) didn't doubt his ordination, but was conditionally ordained "for the sake of the faithful". Perhaps that is "a good reason" in these difficult times? Traditional sacramental theology doesn't really discuss that situation.
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Interestingly, the catacombs.com absolutely refuses to publish this letter by fr. Poisson. I have tried four times, without any commentary, and they deleted the post/thread each time.
I wonder why?
They are probably rightly embarrassed by it.
Though to be honest, I don't know all the fine details about OLMC, its splinter groups, chapels, ex-chapels, clerical personalities, lay personalities, several micro-fora (each with < 130 members) and handful of priests, each with complex background and loyalties. And yes, a lot of those positions/loyalties/associations change with time, and that's the worst part. I can't keep up, and I am usually well-informed about the Trad world.
Take everything you've ever heard negative about the Resistance -- it actually applies to these people. They really do give the Resistance a bad name. Too bad there's no way to gatekeep or restrict usage of the term "SSPX Resistance" -- unfortunately, anyone can join or claim membership. Including the mentally ill and all sorts of malicious people.
As I said in another thread, the only answer is to distinguish "Is this a symptom of a fundamental problem, from the top-down, it HAD to happen" or is it just a case of a bad individual coincidentally being part of a group? One shouldn't dismiss the whole group if the latter is true.
If you leave every group you find a bad person in, you will end up living in the desert, alone. Because Original Sin.
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Ordaining conditionally without "a good reason" is a mis-use of the sacrament. "A good reason", traditionally-speaking, meant a positive doubt about the validity of the sacrament. A mis-use of a sacrament is a sacrilege. However, be careful about attributing sin.
I am aware of at least one trad priest, ordained in the N.O., who (in his words) didn't doubt his ordination, but was conditionally ordained "for the sake of the faithful". Perhaps that is "a good reason" in these difficult times? Traditional sacramental theology doesn't really discuss that situation.
SSPX have long (well before the Resistance movement) used the excuse of assuaging the concerns of the faithful as the pretext for doing conditional ordinations. It's a political move. They know that many of the faithful have doubts about the NO Holy Orders, so they would lose a lot of people. But, due to playing politics with Rome, they didn't want to openly call their Rites into doubt. So they came up with this middle line. But, as you point out, it's borderline sacrilegeous to administer the Sacrament even conditionally for political reasons. Either you hold them to be in positive doubt or you do not.
And this old line about, "well, the intentions of the NO bishops and priests are questionable" ... that constitutes NEGATIVE doubt. If the rite is inherently valid, then the intention is presumed unless some specific concrete circuмstances comes to light that would create POSITIVE doubt (e.g., "I heard Bishop [such-and-such] say that he didn't intent to confer Holy Orders on [a certain candidate]"). Even if the NO Bishop had heretical views about the Sacrament, he would still validly confect it so long as he thought that he was doing what the Church does.
So the SSPX have been playing games with the Sacraments for a very long time now.
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Take everything you've ever heard negative about the Resistance -- it actually applies to these people. They really do give the Resistance a bad name. Too bad there's no way to gatekeep or restrict usage of the term "SSPX Resistance" -- unfortunately, anyone can join or claim membership. Including the mentally ill and all sorts of malicious people.
Well, that's because there's no actual formal group called "The Resistance" ... as per Bishop Williamson. Bishop Williamson has long resisted calls to formalize a group but wants to think of the situation in the Church as just pockets of Catholics around the world attempting to keep the faith. To prevent this kind of thing from happening, someone would have to formally create some kind of organization.
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Well, that's because there's no actual formal group called "The Resistance" ... as per Bishop Williamson. Bishop Williamson has long resisted calls to formalize a group but wants to think of the situation in the Church as just pockets of Catholics around the world attempting to keep the faith. To prevent this kind of thing from happening, someone would have to formally create some kind of organization.
Though I do not have a high regard for the author of this post, nevertheless, reminded that a broken clock is right at least twice a day, he is absolutely right. There is no formal "Resistance;" and according to my understanding anyway, Bp. Williamson has never committed to heading formally something called the "Resistance," nor has he endorsed the formation of a central organization, modeled after Menzingen. He has, on the other hand, recommended quite clearly, that independent, loosely aligned traditional chapels should emerge, having no central organization or centralized authority.
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Though I do not have a high regard for the author of this post, ...
You're being too kind, and grossly understating this :laugh1:
but, yes, my understanding of Bishop Williamson's philosophy regarding a Resistance lines up exactly with how you described it.
So people simply "self-identify" as Resistance. I claim to support the Resistance and be aligned with its principles, and there's no organization to say, "no you don't".
This does create issues. So, for instance, there are a group of Flat Earth advocates who constantly promote Bishop Williamson and the Resistance ... in such a way as to imply that Bishop Williamson endorses their position on that subject. But when pressed on the issue, the admit that His Excellency does not.
Yet this creates a ton of gray. And Bishop Williamson doesn't necessarily think it's a bad thing, considering it just to be in the nature of this crisis. It does have its pros and its cons not to have a formal organization. We could go through them, but I'm sure everyone can come up with many.
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Well, that's because there's no actual formal group called "The Resistance" ... as per Bishop Williamson. Bishop Williamson has long resisted calls to formalize a group but wants to think of the situation in the Church as just pockets of Catholics around the world attempting to keep the faith. To prevent this kind of thing from happening, someone would have to formally create some kind of organization.
What if Bishop Williamson did create a group back in 2012 or decide he made a mistake in not staring an organized central group (but still keep all his personal beliefs about all the other controversies) and started a centralized group now. Would Pablo, Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Fr. Raphael, Greg Taylor and all the rest join him? What about all the other French priests that joined the Resistance back in 2012-2013 only to become independent sedevacantist or non una-cuм?
Most likely if there was a group headed by Bishop Williamson, I still think there would be the same division as we have now. Maybe the only thing that would be different is that MCSPX and SAJM would be one organization.
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What if Bishop Williamson did create a group back in 2012 or decide he made a mistake in not staring an organized central group (but still keep all his personal beliefs about all the other controversies) and started a centralized group now. Would Pablo, Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Fr. Raphael, Greg Taylor and all the rest join him? What about all the other French priests that joined the Resistance back in 2012-2013 only to become independent sedevacantist or non una-cuм?
Most likely if there was a group headed by Bishop Williamson, I still think there would be the same division as we have now. Maybe the only thing that would be different is that MCSPX and SAJM would be one organization.
This is only my personal opinion, but I thought the same thing. Namely, that it would be worse if +W attempted to bring everyone in and had marginal success.
Just the idea that you wanted something that didn't happen suggests your will is out of line with God's will or something. Archbishop Lefebvre succeeded with the SSPX -- because that was God's will. It was a different time. But was +ABL lucky? Or did he attempt to create the SSPX *because* and only because it was God's will?
When you try to do something and fail, it makes you look bad. And not just from a shallow, selfish, PR standpoint either. It makes you look out of touch with God's will, like you weren't very wise or prudent, not being able to read the board.
On the other hand, it is true that God wants us to try our best and He is not so concerned with results. So, for example, offering Mass to the Faithful, setting up Resistance chapels -- "you have to try" because not trying really isn't an option. We need the Sacraments. The priests have to keep being faithful priests (for someone, for some group) and the Faithful need Mass as often as possible. So even if the Resistance doesn't take off like gangbusters, you still have to stick with it, because the alternative is what, waiting for death? Giving up on the Faith? Compromise? These aren't valid alternatives.
But starting a large, centralized, monolithic, Trad group is not essential to the Faith or the salvation of souls. So if a bishop for example looked at the board and realized it wasn't called for, it reflects well on him to not have attempted it in the first place.
Just for starters, the numbers aren't there. I'd like to know what year +ABL had the same number of priests and Faithful. Probably 1970. Seriously, the Resistance is extremely tiny, and so many priests who jumped ship just wanted to be independent, and almost used the SSPX sellout as an excuse or a chance to strike out on their own. Priests are human too, and who wouldn't prefer to be their own boss, when it comes right down to it? To live where you want, have Mass where you prefer, hang around the people you like, keep your own schedule, travel as much/little as you want, etc.
Priests AND laymen suffer from the same problem: only a small percentage have what it takes to be saints, to really make headway over human nature and sinful inclinations.
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So if the devil was in her spine, what was the devil DOING to her spine? I didn't think the spine was a common locus of demonic activity in the possessed.
In Kundalini Yoga , the point of the exercises is to release the "snake" (demon) curled at the base of the spine. So, yes I think a demon can inhabit and be limited to a particular part of the body. I'm not vouching for anyone, just commenting.
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He was ordained in the Fraternity of St. Peter. If you don't think Fr. Poisson is a real priest, you should say the same about all the other priests of the FSSP. And the ICKSP, IBP, etc.
That would be the logical conclusion. An alarming one, too.
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In Kundalini Yoga , the point of the exercises is to release the "snake" (demon) curled at the base of the spine. So, yes I think a demon can inhabit and be limited to a particular part of the body. I'm not vouching for anyone, just commenting.
I think the idea of these eastern religions (which is what yoga is part of) is that when you get to a certain point in meditation expertise, you are in effect opening yourself up to possession of some kind. The base of the spine is associated with reproduction, life and happy energy so the devil gets these people to worship their bodies and their health, through meditation. Every major pagan relgion has always worshipped repoduction in some form (freemasons, hindus, new age, eastern mysticism, etc) because this is the essence of satanism: the worship of nature, the body, and the glorification of man.
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I think the idea of these eastern religions (which is what yoga is part of) is that when you get to a certain point in meditation expertise, you are in effect opening yourself up to possession of some kind. The base of the spine is associated with reproduction, life and happy energy so the devil gets these people to worship their bodies and their health, through meditation. Every major pagan relgion has always worshipped repoduction in some form (freemasons, hindus, new age, eastern mysticism, etc) because this is the essence of satanism: the worship of nature, the body, and the glorification of man.
Plus, Original Sin can only come into the world through human reproduction. That most humans don't get rid of O.S. through the sacrament of baptism means that Lucifer has a vast army at his disposal.