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Canadian newSSPX getting lot attention, Pray for Fr. P. Groche -Um, where are u?
« on: April 17, 2024, 07:45:05 PM »
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    • I met Fr. Patrick Groche in 1988, in Paris. He suggested that I help him in Africa. Thank the Good God that I went to the State of MN instead. !

    https://www.latribune.ca/actualites/actualites-locales/estrie-et-regions/2024/04/16/un-mouvement-religieux-bien-implante-au-quebec-seme-lindignation-dans-le-monde-FDRXNU2DMRAK7CRHVEKV3AR54I/


    Interesting article, but sad too, for all the African kids esp., but for everyone involved.  I suspect the Seal of Confession shelters some of these aggressors.. It is what it is. Some of these priest go for a few years to the :Retreat house in Montgardin, Gap, France, nicknamed the "Golden Prison,".

    It is very easy to translate a web page. Open the link and click the translate button. You may have to download the app if you want to do offline translations. Firefox Browser translate, excerpt:

    "...In an interview, the spokesman of the Collectif de victimes de la FSSPX, Benjamin Effa, wishes to launch an appeal for testimonies in Quebec. His fears are high, knowing that two priests of the Brotherhood targeted by major reports of sɛҳuąƖ assault on minors have stayed in the province for several years.
    Patrick Groche
    Patrick Groche (Infographic from a web image/La Porte Latine)

    He first turned our attention to the abbot Patrick Groche, for whom the Collective had registered more than thirty alleged victims in [my emphasis Ed.] France and Gabon. However, these allegations have not been dealt with by the courts, in particular because of the limitation period. One of his alleged victims, Claude, recounted his eight years of attacks by Groche with the media Jeune Afrique in September 2022...."


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    Re: Canadian newSSPX getting lot attention, Pray for Fr. P. Groche -Um, where are u?
    « Reply #1 on: April 17, 2024, 09:27:34 PM »
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    • Isn’t this the case Church Militant reported on a couple of years ago? 
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    Re: Canadian newSSPX getting lot attention, Pray for Fr. P. Groche -Um, where are u?
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 12:34:53 AM »
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    • Are you thinking of CM and Fr Pierre D.? Hard to find anything on that case. Jassy and her contacts would be a "gold mine" for CM?

    Re: a prior case,  I just came across this nugget:

    French. To translate more simply select some text, highlight, then in 4 seconds a translate icon appears near the end of the selected text, tap and voila!

    https://www.reddit.com/r/france/comments/63kcpe/abus_sexuels_les_dossiers_cach%C3%A9s_des_int%C3%A9gristes/?rdt=62455

    "...However, well before the departure of Father Peignot, in 1991, the successive superiors of the Saint-Pie-X fraternity were warned of the attacks committed by this abbot on at least three minor boys in Belgium and France at the end of the 1980s. , without ever notifying the courts. The fraternity was content to move the priest between France and Belgium. It will be necessary to wait until the end of 2009 for an internal procedure to be triggered.

    "For SSP X, no protocol was in place to deal with such situations. » However, in 2000, Mgr Fellay, superior of the fraternity since 1994, aware of the dangerousness of Father Peignot, (introduced??, the French word 'casse' means to break ) a first measure prohibiting any apostolate of the priest among young people....[Why was that priest still active at a Scout event in 2002? Ed.]

    "...to the reality of speaking of an adapted measure, confining this priest to the role of simple chaplain, without any activity with the children", tries to convince the fraternity. Measures not respected by Father Peignot. The priest will remain in office with a pack of scouts in Conflans-Sainte-Honorine (Yvelines) until 2002, according to the victim who initiated his investigation..."
    La fraternité Saint-Pie-X se défend par la voix de l’abbé Thouvenot : « Dans les années quatre-vingt, et bien que cela soit plus que regrettable, tant Rome que notre société de vie apostolique étaient dépourvues de procédure canonique définie et aucun protocole n’était en place pour faire face à de telles situations. »
    A better translation ( unofficial, loose attempt) would be: The SSPX is defended by the voice of Fr. Thouvenot: "In the '80's, and that is what is so regrettable, Rome as well as our Society of apostolic life was deprived of any defined canonical procedure to deal head on with such situations.
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    Re: Canadian newSSPX getting lot attention, Pray for Fr. P. Groche -Um, where are u?
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 09:48:17 AM »
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    • There is no need for a formal canonical procedure. It is good to have one, but it is not essential.

    Any decent superior would be able to discern what to do with a sɛҳuąƖ predator.

    Parents have no "canonical procedure", but they know what to do to protect their children from the evils of the world.
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    Re: Canadian newSSPX getting lot attention, Pray for Fr. P. Groche -Um, where are u?
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 10:30:38 AM »
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    • https://www.tridentines.com/pages/abuse-SSPX
    The truth is important.  Maybe the newSociety could be accused of being too discreet.
     This website has a summary of clergy convicted / accused of immoral acts. But to be fair, when someone is "accused", the justice system still has to presume the accused is innocent till proven guilty, beyond the shadow of a doubt. We have to be cautious about slander, defamation, rash judgement and the rest of it. I think CM learned the hard way. Also, it's important to truly know what the term "allegation" means. Some are so quick to find fault in others, and too often, it's all in their imagination...and could ruin someone's reputation in minutes. They lack the supreme virtue, which is charity of course. 
    Pray. 
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    Re: Canadian newSSPX getting lot attention, Pray for Fr. P. Groche -Um, where are u?
    « Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 10:44:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Twice dyed on Yesterday at 12:34:53 AM
    Are you thinking of CM and Fr Pierre D.? Hard to find anything on that case. Jassy and her contacts would be a "gold mine" for CM?

    Re: a prior case,  I just came across this nugget:

    French. To translate more simply select some text, highlight, then in 4 seconds a translate icon appears near the end of the selected text, tap and voila!

    https://www.reddit.com/r/france/comments/63kcpe/abus_sexuels_les_dossiers_cach%C3%A9s_des_int%C3%A9gristes/?rdt=62455

    "...However, well before the departure of Father Peignot, in 1991, the successive superiors of the Saint-Pie-X fraternity were warned of the attacks committed by this abbot on at least three minor boys in Belgium and France at the end of the 1980s. , without ever notifying the courts. The fraternity was content to move the priest between France and Belgium. It will be necessary to wait until the end of 2009 for an internal procedure to be triggered.

    "For SSP X, no protocol was in place to deal with such situations. » However, in 2000, Mgr Fellay, superior of the fraternity since 1994, aware of the dangerousness of Father Peignot, (introduced??, the French word 'casse' means to break ) a first measure prohibiting any apostolate of the priest among young people....[Why was that priest still active at a Scout event in 2002? Ed.]

    "...to the reality of speaking of an adapted measure, confining this priest to the role of simple chaplain, without any activity with the children", tries to convince the fraternity. Measures not respected by Father Peignot. The priest will remain in office with a pack of scouts in Conflans-Sainte-Honorine (Yvelines) until 2002, according to the victim who initiated his investigation..."
    La fraternité Saint-Pie-X se défend par la voix de l’abbé Thouvenot : « Dans les années quatre-vingt, et bien que cela soit plus que regrettable, tant Rome que notre société de vie apostolique étaient dépourvues de procédure canonique définie et aucun protocole n’était en place pour faire face à de telles situations. »
    A better translation ( unofficial, loose attempt) would be: The SSPX is defended by the voice of Fr. Thouvenot: "In the '80's, and that is what is so regrettable, Rome as well as our Society of apostolic life was deprived of any defined canonical procedure to deal head on with such situations.
    :confused:
    Pray!
    CM had some docuмentary titled “Black Trads Lives Matter “ or something similar. They went bankrupt so there website is down. I’ll try to search the archives when I get home from work. 
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    Re: Canadian newSSPX getting lot attention, Pray for Fr. P. Groche -Um, where are u?
    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 11:59:51 AM »
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    • I found the docuмentary. I think this is the same Fr. Patrick Groche.

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    Re: Canadian newSSPX getting lot attention, Pray for Fr. P. Groche -Um, where are u?
    « Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 08:28:21 PM »
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    • Thank you for finding that video, Black Trads Matter; it watched it all. Makes you wonder, if all these cases are true and terrible, how the perpetrators can live with their lifestyles. I pray they convert and repent...but we are all sinners too, and beg for God's mercy. The devil is busy: you can't make this stuff up! I read that Fr Groche would give a huge discount for school tuition to some Gabonese students, so these students were kindda trapped....At the end of the day, probably 97 % of newSociety priests are decent, morally speaking. Hopefully more will wake up and see the problems with neoSociety doctrinal position. Bp. Faure said that good bishops and priests must act like worthy dogs... bark when danger is present. Otherwise the dog is useless. But it sounds pretty quiet out there in neoSociety land +
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