Author Topic: Leo XIV Is a Doubtful Pope - Fr. Paul Kramer (Read 1919 times)

DecemRationis · « **Reply #30 on:** **Yesterday** at 12:31:16 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 08:12:40 AM

So, yes, no crap, Sherlock, that "we are being tried". You're acting as if you've come up with something profound here. We all know this. And, sadly, part of the trial has to do with whether or not people still believe in the Church and the Papacy, and the indefectibility of the Church, and many Trads are failing that particular test.

As for the first sentence above ...

Give has given them to us as DOUBTFUL popes for a reason. You immediately beg the very question that the "Doubtful pope" position calls into question, i.e whether these actually are popes or not. That's part of the sifting, you see. You have to apply your "sensus Catholicus" and your faith to SEE that these men that appear to be pope, i.e. have the accidents of popes, are not actually popes, i.e. do not have the substance of popes. That's why God also gave us the Blessed Sacrament, with Our Lord being hidden under the accidents of bread, since we need to exercise our faith to discern that despite the apperances, the substance is altogether different.

If you can't figure this out, then you are failing said the very trial you so astutely point out to us. With each day that passes, you sound more and more like Stubborn where because there's a guy walking around in a white cassock in Rome, this proves that we have a pope.

You have this knack of implying (when not directly stating) that someone is moronic or stupid when it is you who are so. I think this a wondrous working of God in you, an exclamation point put on the end of your intellectual pride. Sort of like the preaching of the Gospel to the already damned, an "odor of death unto death." 2 Cor. 2:16.

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And, sadly, part of the trial has to do with whether or not people still believe in the Church and the Papacy, and the indefectibility of the Church, and many Trads are failing that particular test.

No, "Sherlock." The test is whether we put God over men, not whether we get the man (pope) right. Not whether we are faithful to the Church and defend the "indefectibility" of the men in the hierarchy, but whether we are faithful to Him and defend Him and His truth above all else. This test is for fools like you, who fail to understand why the test came in the first place.

One of the other "gods" that was being followed was misguided allegiance, to a man (the pope) and men as the "proximate rule" of the faith, and not God speaking, the truth in Him revealed as dogma.

God in His mercy will I pray catch you up in His net by your "getting out of Judea," but that will be despite your failed understanding as to the why of the trial, which you botch.

If you mark the right circle on the answer sheet, it's because of the grace of the faith that you hold onto, which results in Christ being preached in the essentials of the Gospel, despite the utter confusion of your intellect. You learned nothing from Drew's schooling of you, sadly.

Paul was grateful that Christ was being preached, even though the motives of some of the preachers was not the proper motivation:

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Philippians 1:15-18. Some indeed even for envy and contention: but some also for good will preach Christ. Some of charity: knowing that I am set unto the defence of the Gospel. And some of contention preach Christ not sincerely: supposing that they raise affliction to my bands. But what? So that by all means, whether by occasion, or by truth, Christ be preached: in this also I rejoice, yea & will rejoice.

I'm grateful you have fled the "Harlot," despite the crassness of your behavior and your confusion on many levels.

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Author Topic: Leo XIV Is a Doubtful Pope - Fr. Paul Kramer (Read 1919 times)

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