Author Topic: Coat of arms of Fr. Faure. (Read 5951 times)

Centroamerica · « **on:** March 18, 2015, 05:21:42 PM »

Read the English translation of Non Possumus to be uploaded soon to read Fr. Faure's explanation.

Green Scapular · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:06:44 PM »

He probably should redesign his coat of arms tonight. He is using the two-heart logo, the very "branding" that the resistance loves to hate, designed by that Dutch marketing firm, Credo Creatie. Lol!

http://sspx.ca/en/media/photos/clear-appearance-sspx-1782

Green Scapular · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:11:55 PM »

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He probably should redesign his coat of arms tonight. He is using the two-heart logo, the very "branding" that the resistance loves to hate, designed by that Dutch marketing firm, Credo Creatie. Lol!

http://sspx.ca/en/media/photos/clear-appearance-sspx-1782

And the SSPX's logo is probably copyrighted.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2015, 09:42:39 PM »

Quote from: The interview

Can you explain to us the essential of your coat of arms?

In the sensual is the lamb of apocalypse and Alpha and the Omega the lamb of god that takes away the sins of the world announced by Isaiah. The hearts are symbols of the Vendeé martyrs and the revolution and the flor de lis is the emblem of Catholic France. The motto, ipsa cónteret (she will crush you) is taken from the Vulgate, Genesis 3, 15 where God promises the victory of the Virgin Mary against the dragon.

Green Scapular · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2015, 10:18:22 PM »

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Quote from: The interview
Can you explain to us the essential of your coat of arms?

In the sensual is the lamb of apocalypse and Alpha and the Omega the lamb of god that takes away the sins of the world announced by Isaiah. The hearts are symbols of the Vendeé martyrs and the revolution and the flor de lis is the emblem of Catholic France. The motto, ipsa cónteret (she will crush you) is taken from the Vulgate, Genesis 3, 15 where God promises the victory of the Virgin Mary against the dragon.

"The hearts are symbols of the Vendeé martyrs".
The symbol of the Vendee martyrs was a single solid red heart (in honor of the Sacred Heart) under a red cross, with the words Dieu le Roi underneath.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_the_Vend%C3%A9e#/media/File:Coeur-chouan.jpeg

Fr. Faure is using the SSPX's two-heart logo, and in the recent "cleaner" re-design, too.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2015, 11:49:00 PM »

It doesn't seem to be an either-or on one heart vs two. They are both Vendee symbols.

Since you like wiki, I'll copy this quote, but there are plenty more references in Google.

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The red heart is associated with the Vendée region in France - most notable for its resistence of the Jacobins and the French Revolution where the locals, steadfast in their faith and traditions, rose up in counter-revolution. The symbol is used as a logo of several Societé of Saint Pius X branches.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vend%C3%A9en_heart.png

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2015, 06:39:40 AM »

Quote from: Green Scapular

He probably should redesign his coat of arms tonight. He is using the two-heart logo, the very "branding" that the resistance loves to hate, designed by that Dutch marketing firm, Credo Creatie. Lol!

http://sspx.ca/en/media/photos/clear-appearance-sspx-1782

Funny you should post that link. The linked page demonstrates precisely how a "corporate brand" is maintained, with approved logos, typeset, layouts, colors etc. It is exactly what my company mandates for logo usage, presentations and so on.

So it's all about the brand, and so little to do with the Faith, as you unwittingly revealed.

Let's see how long the link remains working :-)

Green Scapular · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2015, 07:04:48 AM »

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Quote from: Green Scapular
He probably should redesign his coat of arms tonight. He is using the two-heart logo, the very "branding" that the resistance loves to hate, designed by that Dutch marketing firm, Credo Creatie. Lol!

http://sspx.ca/en/media/photos/clear-appearance-sspx-1782

Funny you should post that link. The linked page demonstrates precisely how a "corporate brand" is maintained, with approved logos, typeset, layouts, colors etc. It is exactly what my company mandates for logo usage, presentations and so on.

So it's all about the brand, and so little to do with the Faith, as you unwittingly revealed.

Let's see how long the link remains working :-)

There is nothing shameful about how the SSPX's logo, etc. was designed, and that link has been up for a very long time. There are several other pages online, too, explaining the thinking behind the updated Angelus Magazine, letterheads, websites, too. The SSPX is an international religious organization, so it makes sense that they need to have a symbol / logo that can be recognized instantly anywhere in the world as meaning "SSPX". That is what that two-heart symbol is and has become. I think that every world-wide religious group has a symbol or logo or seal by which they can be recognized. The blank and white shield, for example, is an international symbol for the Dominicans. One recognizes it immediately.

JPaul · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2015, 07:39:04 AM »

Green Scapular,

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There is nothing shameful about how the SSPX's logo, etc. was designed, and that link has been up for a very long time. There are several other pages online, too, explaining the thinking behind the updated Angelus Magazine, letterheads, websites, too. The SSPX is an international religious organization, so it makes sense that they need to have a symbol / logo that can be recognized instantly anywhere in the world as meaning "SSPX". That is what that two-heart symbol is and has become. I think that every world-wide religious group has a symbol or logo or seal by which they can be recognized. The blank and white shield, for example, is an international symbol for the Dominicans. One recognizes it immediately.

Organizations do indeed need such symbols when they become international corporate entities.
It is undeniable that the SSPX has transmuted under Bishop Fellay and the operative Max Krah, from a religious congregation into an international business group in all of its functions. It is now going about gaining aquisitions, and market shares, and concerning itself with targeted audiences.
The days of simply saving souls and preserving some of Tradition have passed away.
Facebook and Twitter cannot be far behind........

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2015, 08:08:57 AM »

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Quote from: ultrarigorist
Quote from: Green Scapular
He probably should redesign his coat of arms tonight. He is using the two-heart logo, the very "branding" that the resistance loves to hate, designed by that Dutch marketing firm, Credo Creatie. Lol!

http://sspx.ca/en/media/photos/clear-appearance-sspx-1782

Funny you should post that link. The linked page demonstrates precisely how a "corporate brand" is maintained, with approved logos, typeset, layouts, colors etc. It is exactly what my company mandates for logo usage, presentations and so on.

So it's all about the brand, and so little to do with the Faith, as you unwittingly revealed.

Let's see how long the link remains working :-)

... it makes sense that they need to have a symbol / logo that can be recognized instantly anywhere in the world as meaning "SSPX". ...

Well yes, that's what branding is all about. Shame they aren't concerned with being recognized instantly as meaning "Catholic", and only secondarily as SSPX.

The Dominicans never went to such pains to ensure "correct usage" for their tokens of identity.

Green Scapular · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2015, 08:17:01 AM »

The Jesuits have the IHS inside a host as their symbol, the Dominicans have the black and white shield, the Franciscans have a cross with stigmata hands, the Benedictines have the St. Benedict medal. Yep, all just corporate brands. Nothing Catholic there.

Green Scapular · « **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2015, 08:38:49 AM »

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... it makes sense that they need to have a symbol / logo that can be recognized instantly anywhere in the world as meaning "SSPX". ...

Well yes, that's what branding is all about. Shame they aren't concerned with being recognized instantly as meaning "Catholic", and only secondarily as SSPX.

When you see a cross in a symbol, you don't know it means Christianity? And when you see a heart (or two) crowned under that cross, you don't recognize that as CATHOLIC? Tell me, is there any Protestant sect, so-called Christian, who have a devotion to Hearts? Or to the Kingship of the Sacred Heart and the Queenship of Mary? If you don't instantly see "Catholic" when you see the SSPX's logo, you are being deliberately obtuse.

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2015, 08:52:39 AM »

Quote from: Green Scapular

Quote from: ultrarigorist
Quote from: Green Scapular

... it makes sense that they need to have a symbol / logo that can be recognized instantly anywhere in the world as meaning "SSPX". ...

Well yes, that's what branding is all about. Shame they aren't concerned with being recognized instantly as meaning "Catholic", and only secondarily as SSPX.

When you see a cross in a symbol, you don't know it means Christianity? And when you see a heart (or two) crowned under that cross, you don't recognize that as CATHOLIC? Tell me, is there any Protestant sect, so-called Christian, who have a devotion to Hearts? Or to the Kingship of the Sacred Heart and the Queenship of Mary? If you don't instantly see "Catholic" when you see the SSPX's logo, you are being deliberately obtuse.

You miss the point. What I see, and which is proven by the link you offered, is an organization which is absolutely obsessed with their brand identity, much more so than a Catholic identity.

From the link:
"A new look for the SSPX
The way a business or religious organization presents itself is very important, and developing a solid public presence requires careful reflection and planning. Below we explain the driving forces and ideals behind our new series of publications."

What follows is almost completely irrelevant. This is how you go about hawking goods or something, not saving souls.

It's as if directives had been issued on how the Sacred Heart must be depicted. "this many thorns, of this shape, this color index of red for the blood, flame no higher than 66% of heart....

Green Scapular · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2015, 09:07:00 AM »

Nope, nothing Catholic in this...[/sarcasm]

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Four hallmarks

As we answered these questions, four main qualities repeatedly factored into our answers:

Purity: The combat for the faith in its integrity is the core mission of the SSPX. From the beginning, guided by its founder Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the SSPX has constantly promoted, defended, and upheld the purity of Catholic teaching. We do not tolerate any stain of compromise, neither in principles nor in actions.

Intelligence: In order to manifest this profoundly Catholic faith, the SSPX studies and preaches the time-honored traditional teachings of the Church. We strive to present the truth in an unbiased, responsible, rational, and clear manner.

Selflessness: The Society is a work of the Church and thus exists to serve. Specifically, we serve the Church by maintaining its core traditions. We protect the treasures of the Catholic Faith, regardless of difficulty or misguided opposition. We sacrifice ourselves completely for this cause. We seek God’s glory and honor, along with the salvation of souls, above all else.

Noble Beauty: As the SSPX fights to maintain the integrity and purity of the Catholic faith, it must always keep in mind its final end: the honor and glory of God. God, moreover, is the source of all goodness and beauty; therefore we value and appreciate all that is truly good and beautiful. We seek especially to share the treasures of the faith with others, thus communicating to them the beautiful life of grace.

Manifesting who we are

We have tried to incorporate these four essential qualities into our new website and into the refurbished Angelus magazine; thus we developed a new look with our four hallmarks in mind. Here are the key features of our publications:

Pure white: The dominant color is a clean white, corresponding to the purity of Catholic doctrine.

Intelligence: Priority is given to content. We communicate our message clearly, and we present information directly. Text is placed on a peaceful white background. Sober and straightforward typography keeps the reader focused on our rich content. The design is devoid of all superfluity.

An inconspicuous but unique presence: Our sole identifying marks are:

the subtle SSPX logo which appears on top of all our publications,
the Two Hearts emblem which usually appears in the top right corner, and
the delicate shadow overlay of the Two Hearts which serves as an authenticating watermark stretched across the entire page.
Noble beauty: There are only a few subtle colors and designs used to create the settings for our content. All the beauty and quality of our publications must, therefore, be found in our vibrant visual aids and, of course, in our profound message itself. We often use pictures to create a lively and intriguing ambiance, hoping that sensory beauty will aid our audience in appreciating the more profound intellectual beauty we offer.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #14 on:** March 20, 2015, 06:44:09 AM »

Quote from: MaterDominici

Quote from: The interview
Can you explain to us the essential of your coat of arms?

In the sensual is the lamb of apocalypse and Alpha and the Omega the lamb of god that takes away the sins of the world announced by Isaiah. The hearts are symbols of the Vendeé martyrs and the revolution and the flor de lis is the emblem of Catholic France. The motto, ipsa cónteret (she will crush you) is taken from the Vulgate, Genesis 3, 15 where God promises the victory of the Virgin Mary against the dragon.

I apologize, it should say "in the center" not in the sensual. I used a microphone that types as you speak and it seems that was a mistake that came through unnoticed to due lack of time what with the consecration about to happen.