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CNA News says Pope may regularize SSPX
« on: April 26, 2016, 02:10:52 PM »
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  • How will this change the SSPX?

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    Vatican City, Apr 26, 2016 / 03:01 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Francis may soon offer the Society of Saint Pius X regular canonical status within the Church, without requiring the acceptance of certain texts of the Second Vatican Council with which they disagree.

    It also appears the SSPX may itself be poised to take such a historic step, urging that "perhaps only Pope Francis is able to take this step, given his unpredictability and improvisation", according to an internal SSPX docuмent that was leaked to the press in recent weeks.

    The memo, titled “Considerations on the Church and the position of the Society of Saint Pius X in it”, outlines six reasons why the group should accept an offer of regularization by Pope Francis, provided "an appropriate ecclesial structure" is ensured. It also addresses possible objections raised against such a move.

    “It seems the time to normalize the situation of the Society has come,” the memo reads.

    The docuмent, dated Feb. 19, was written by Fr. Franz Schmidberger, rector of the SSPX's seminary in Germany. Fr. Schmidberger had served as superior general of the SSPX from 1982 to 1994.

    In the memo, Fr. Schmidberger asserts that the Vatican has been "gradually lowering its demands and recent proposals, no longer speak of recognizing neither the Second Vatican Council nor the legitimacy of the Novus Ordo Missae.”

    On April 10, Bishop Bernard Fellay, the current superior general of the SSPX, said before some 4,000 pilgrims in the French city of Le Puy-en-Velay that there is a "profound change" in the Society's relationship with the Vatican, triggered by the "dire situation" of the Church: "in the midst of this disorder … comes this whisper: 'No, we cannot force you to accept the Council.' They perhaps will not say it so clearly, but they did indeed say it to us after all.”


    Albeit carefully, these assertions are to some extent matched by similar utterances from Rome.

    Archbishop Guido Pozzo, secretary for the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei –  the Vatican office of the responsible for doctrinal discussions with the SSPX – said in an April 6 interview with La Croix that “as far as the Second Vatican Council is concerned, the ground covered in the meetings over the past few years has led to an important clarification: Vatican II can be adequately understood only in the context of the full Tradition of the Church and her constant Magisterium.”

    “Certain questions can remain 'subject to discussion and clarification',” Archbishop Pozzo added.

    Similarly, Fr. Schmidberger's memo asserts that whilst the group would like to "return from its 'exile'", further discussions would be expected: “We will not be silent, more over, we will point out the errors by name. Before and after our normalization.”

    Reliable sources inside the SSPX have confirmed to CNA that the leaked memo from Fr. Schmidberger, which apparently was meant for circulation among the leadership of the Society, is indeed authentic. Comprising seven sections and running to three pages, it concisely covers a summary of the history of the relationship with Rome and an outline of arguments for a full reconciliation, to the practical considerations of such a move. It even includes a kind of "FAQ"-section, answering the most frequently raised concerns of a reconciliation with Rome from the perspective of those in the SSPX more hesitant about reconciliation with Rome.

    Fr. Schmidberger cited several reasons that the time to regularize the canonical situation of the SSPX has some, including that fact that “any abnormal situation lends itself to normalization.” He noted the danger in losing the realization that the Society's situation is abnormal, and seeing it instead as normal: if the priests of the Society “feel comfortable in this situation of liberty with respect to dependence on the heirarchy, then this implies a gradual loss of the sensus ecclesiae.”

    The memo also noted that there are members of the Church's hierarchy who are sympathetic to them, but that they can only collaborate after regularization, and that the SSPX will need new bishops in the future and that licit consecration should be pursued.

    In its conclusion, the text argues that if “God wants to come to the effective aid of His Church, which is bleeding from a thousand wounds, he has thousands of different means of doing so. One of these is the official recognition of the SSPX through the Roman authorities.” It then closes with a prayer for the intercession of the Virgin Mary.

    It has been speculated that the normalization of the SSPX would be accomplished by recognizing the group as a “personal prelature,” a canonical structure which so far has only been used for Opus Dei.

    The SSPX was founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1970 to form priests, as a response to what he described as errors that had crept into the Church following the Second Vatican Council. Its relations with the Holy See became particularly strained in 1988 when Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer consecrated four bishops without the permission of Pope John Paul II.

    The illicit consecration resulted in the excommunication of the six bishops; the excommunications of the surviving bishops were lifted in 2009 by Benedict XVI, and since then, negotiations “to rediscover full communion with the Church” have continued between the Society and the Vatican.


    In remitting the excommunications, Benedict also noted that “doctrinal questions obviously remain and until they are clarified the Society has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry.”

    The biggest obstacles for the Society's reconciliation have been the statements on religious liberty in Vatican II's declaration Dignitatis humanae as well as the declaration Nostra aetate, which it claims contradict previous Catholic teaching.

    Archbishop Pozzo addressed this issue in his discussion with La Croix, saying that he considers Nostra aetate as “directives for pastoral action, directions, and suggestions or exhortations of a practical pastoral nature,” adding that “the acceptance of the texts on relations with other religions is not a prerequisite for the canonical recognition” of the SSPX.

    "The difficulties raised by the SSPX concerning the Church-State relationship and religious freedom, the practice of ecuмenism and dialogue with non-Christian religions, certain aspects of the liturgical reform and its concrete application, remain subject to discussion and clarification but do not constitute an obstacle to a canonical and juridical recognition of the SSPX,” the Vatican official said.

    The archbishop noted that following the canonical regularization of the Society, the declarations of Vatican II will “remain subject to discussion and deeper study, in order to obtain greater precision and avoid the misunderstandings or ambivalences that we know to have spread throughout today’s ecclesial world.”

    Under Pope Francis several moves have suggested a warming in relations between the Vatican and the SSPX.

    In 2015 the Holy See delegated a cardinal and three bishops to visit the seminaries of the SSPX. They were sent to become better acquainted with the society, and to discuss doctrinal and theological topics in a less formal context.

    Pope Francis announced in a September 2015 letter on the Jubilee Year of Mercy that during the jubilee year the faithful can validly and licitly receive absolution of their sins from priests of the SSPX.

    “I trust that in the near future solutions may be found to recover full communion with the priests and superiors of the Fraternity,” he wrote.

    And Bishop Fellay met with Pope Francis and Archbishop Pozzo April 1-2. Bishop Fellay indicated that at that meeting, the Pope had said the SSPX is Catholic and he would not condemn it, and that he wishes to extend the faculties of its priests.


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    CNA News says Pope may regularize SSPX
    « Reply #1 on: April 26, 2016, 02:29:27 PM »
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  • Let no one be deceived:

    The SSPX has already changed. Concessions have already been made, past tense.

    There can be no unilateral deal when the other side has already made concessions to achieve the deal.

    If Modernist, unconverted Rome (which has practically fulfilled the prophecy of La Salette "Rome will become the seat of the Antichrist") suddenly finds the SSPX to be perfectly OK, then the 10 million dollar question is WHY?

    Rome isn't waking up, coming back to its senses, or converting back to the Catholic Faith which is inherently traditional. That leaves just one other possibility: The SSPX has surrendered and compromised.
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    CNA News says Pope may regularize SSPX
    « Reply #2 on: April 26, 2016, 02:41:47 PM »
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  • The question is ... what will the SSPX souls who are reading all this do?  I wonder!

    Start all over and have Mass again in homes of each other?

    Will you still call yourself SSPX or another suitable name?

    re-organize and seek out a priest who is Traditional minded?
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    CNA News says Pope may regularize SSPX
    « Reply #3 on: April 26, 2016, 02:51:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    The question is ... what will the SSPX souls who are reading all this do?  I wonder!

    Start all over and have Mass again in homes of each other?

    Will you still call yourself SSPX or another suitable name?

    re-organize and seek out a priest who is Traditional minded?



    Most will just keep going to Mass.

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    CNA News says Pope may regularize SSPX
    « Reply #4 on: April 26, 2016, 02:57:58 PM »
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  • I can't imagine the struggle those faithful Catholics must endure who have no other option for Mass except the SSPX.  What a tremendously difficult situation for them.
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    CNA News says Pope may regularize SSPX
    « Reply #5 on: April 26, 2016, 03:53:01 PM »
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    “God wants to come to the effective aid of His Church, which is bleeding from a thousand wounds, he has thousands of different means of doing so. One of these is the official recognition of the SSPX through the Roman authorities.”

    Fr S' temptation/appeal to pride and emotion - "The sspx can save the day!"  May God have mercy on him.

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    The SSPX has surrendered and compromised.

    Spot on, Matthew!

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    Most will just keep going to Mass.

    Sadly, you are correct, J Paul.

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    I can't imagine the struggle those faithful Catholics must endure who have no other option for Mass except the SSPX. What a tremendously difficult situation for them.

    IHSV, I agree totally.  I think this will start the beginning of the chastisement for TLM'ers who keep away from Rome.  Mass will become more difficult to find, especially when traveling.  History has shown that these are small trials in comparison to what others have faced, but when the deal is made, things are going to get more hairy.

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    CNA News says Pope may regularize SSPX
    « Reply #6 on: April 26, 2016, 03:57:29 PM »
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    The question is ... what will the SSPX souls who are reading all this do?  I wonder!

    Start all over and have Mass again in homes of each other?

    Will you still call yourself SSPX or another suitable name?

    re-organize and seek out a priest who is Traditional minded?



    Most will just keep going to Mass.


    95% will accept it.

    I pray there comes an "Oath of Allegiance".

    That providential doc will separate the men from the boys.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    CNA News says Pope may regularize SSPX
    « Reply #7 on: April 26, 2016, 04:00:23 PM »
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    In the memo, Fr. Schmidberger asserts that the Vatican has been "gradually lowering its demands and recent proposals, no longer speak of recognizing neither the Second Vatican Council nor the legitimacy of the Novus Ordo Missae.”

    On April 10, Bishop Bernard Fellay, the current superior general of the SSPX, said before some 4,000 pilgrims in the French city of Le Puy-en-Velay that there is a "profound change" in the Society's relationship with the Vatican, triggered by the "dire situation" of the Church: "in the midst of this disorder … comes this whisper: 'No, we cannot force you to accept the Council.' They perhaps will not say it so clearly, but they did indeed say it to us after all.”




     Wow, this would seem to indicate a major concession from Rome.


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    CNA News says Pope may regularize SSPX
    « Reply #8 on: April 26, 2016, 04:05:56 PM »
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  • All the talk of "accepting us as we are" and not being required to accept VII and the New Mass is completely beside the point. They'll be putting themselves totally under the control of Modernists and worse-than-Modernists, who haven't the least interest in what they say or think. End of story.

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    CNA News says Pope may regularize SSPX
    « Reply #9 on: April 26, 2016, 04:20:59 PM »
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  • Abp Lefebvre accepted much of the Council, rejecting only a plainly erroneous docuмent like that on Ecuмenism, a false Ecuмenism it should be said. I thought Abp Fellay's SSPX accepted the validity of the Novus Ordo Missae (I think it possibly has a minimal validity in the original Latin text). At this even with mainstream report like in OP, there still a lot of rumour and supposition. The FSSP have not noticeably been damaged (only priests who have left have ever said the NOM). The priests in it have a good age profile of around 36. However, it should be noted that the priests in it seem open to some of the errors of V2. Bp Fellay has expressed hopes of changing the New Church for the better, bringing it back to Tradition, but while the Conciliar Church has failed the Faithful, it does still have the ability to assimilate and corrupt.