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Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2024, 10:03:04 AM »
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    • Hewkonian,

    In your OP on this thread, you stated that Bp. Williamson said (I'm only focusing on a few of your quotes for now):

    "The New Mass can nourish your faith."

    "Though is a spiritual destroyer of the faith, the New Mass can give grace and spiritual nourishment."

    "Attending the New Mass may do more good than harm spiritually."

    "Though not as good as the Traditional Mass, the New Mass is better than nothing."
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    Hewkonian,

    I would like to see the proof of all of these exact quotes, which you have not provided. And I do mean EXACT. I don't need tons of quotes from you which do not line up with what you posted in the OP. You should be able to provide proof that +W said the quotes above, exactly as you wrote them. Please be specific.





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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #16 on: August 28, 2024, 10:09:38 AM »
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    • Hi Hewkonian,

    You do not realize it, but you are actually hurting your cause. Your obsession with Bishop Williamson is unreasonable and unhealthy. many people here and fellow Resistance clergy have their disagreements with Bishop Williamson, but they recognize that and some have told the bishop, yet they do not see the need to cut off friendship with everyone that has different opinions especially if it has no impact on your daily life.  You have sedavacantist here on CathIinfo that disagree with many issues of the SSPX and the Resistance, yet have no issues going to an SSPX Mass. Because these people know how to distinguish the issues that they agree with and those that they disagree with and they know what to filter out and what to accept. 

    But for you Hewkonians, you raise your disagreement with Bishop Williamson to a cult like obsession, that everyone is infected unless they make a public statement condemning him. The Bishop does not lead any organization and has no priests under his authority and his Mass locations are limited to London and a few nearby locations. So outside of England, he really has no impact on the daily life of individuals or any real impact on the various resistance Groups, SAJM, Dominicans, Benedictines, and the various individual priests and groups in France, Poland, Canada, Australia, Philippines, India, Gabon, Mexico, Columbia, etc. Yet, you cut yourself off from all of them unless Fr. Hewko give his blessing, as if he is the Rule of Faith. That is sign that Fr. Hewko is a type of Cult leader or at least his followers are trying to make him one. Either way, you are hurting your own cause and you make Fr. Hewko look bad.
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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #17 on: August 28, 2024, 10:22:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on August 28, 2024, 10:03:04 AM
    Hewkonian,

    In your OP on this thread, you stated that Bp. Williamson said (I'm only focusing on a few of your quotes for now):

    "The New Mass can nourish your faith."

    "Though is a spiritual destroyer of the faith, the New Mass can give grace and spiritual nourishment."

    "Attending the New Mass may do more good than harm spiritually."

    "Though not as good as the Traditional Mass, the New Mass is better than nothing."
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    Hewkonian,

    I would like to see the proof of all of these exact quotes, which you have not provided. And I do mean EXACT. I don't need tons of quotes from you which do not line up with what you posted in the OP. You should be able to provide proof that +W said the quotes above, exactly as you wrote them. Please be specific.
    I provided a succinct copy of all the quotes in a second post, directly above your comment, which I have also included again below.
    As mentioned, points 1, 2, 3, and 4 can all be found in this video:

    Do you need timestamps, or can you manage without them?
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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #18 on: August 28, 2024, 10:25:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on August 28, 2024, 10:09:38 AM
    Hi Hewkonian,

    You do not realize it, but you are actually hurting your cause. Your obsession with Bishop Williamson is unreasonable and unhealthy. many people here and fellow Resistance clergy have their disagreements with Bishop Williamson, but they recognize that and some have told the bishop, yet they do not see the need to cut off friendship with everyone that has different opinions especially if it has no impact on your daily life.  You have sedavacantist here on CathIinfo that disagree with many issues of the SSPX and the Resistance, yet have no issues going to an SSPX Mass. Because these people know how to distinguish the issues that they agree with and those that they disagree with and they know what to filter out and what to accept. 

    But for you Hewkonians, you raise your disagreement with Bishop Williamson to a cult like obsession, that everyone is infected unless they make a public statement condemning him. The Bishop does not lead any organization and has no priests under his authority and his Mass locations are limited to London and a few nearby locations. So outside of England, he really has no impact on the daily life of individuals or any real impact on the various resistance Groups, SAJM, Dominicans, Benedictines, and the various individual priests and groups in France, Poland, Canada, Australia, Philippines, India, Gabon, Mexico, Columbia, etc. Yet, you cut yourself off from all of them unless Fr. Hewko give his blessing, as if he is the Rule of Faith. That is sign that Fr. Hewko is a type of Cult leader or at least his followers are trying to make him one. Either way, you are hurting your own cause and you make Fr. Hewko look bad.
    "Yet have no issues going to an SSPX Mass" is precisely the problem—and the reason I sound the alarm.

    And lets clarify, Concilliar-SSPX Mass.
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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #19 on: August 28, 2024, 10:31:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Hewkonian on August 28, 2024, 10:22:49 AM
    I provided a succinct copy of all the quotes in a second post, directly above your comment, which I have also included again below.
    As mentioned, points 1, 2, 3, and 4 can all be found in this video:

    Do you need timestamps, or can you manage without them?

    I asked you to be specific and exact. So yes, please do provide time stamps. Are you aware that the video is two hours long? It's only reasonable that you provide time stamps, without being snarky, please. There's no need for that. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #20 on: August 28, 2024, 10:32:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Hewkonian on August 28, 2024, 10:22:49 AM
    I provided a succinct copy of all the quotes in a second post, directly above your comment, which I have also included again below.
    As mentioned, points 1, 2, 3, and 4 can all be found in this video:

    Do you need timestamps, or can you manage without them?
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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #21 on: August 28, 2024, 10:33:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on August 28, 2024, 10:31:07 AM
    I asked you to be specific and exact. So yes, please do provide time stamps. Are you aware that the video is two hours long? It's only reasonable that you provide time stamps, without being snarky, please. There's no need for that.
    I was not being snarky I was serious, I can go through it if you want, and I probably should contain all the timestamps.
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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #22 on: August 28, 2024, 10:38:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Hewkonian on August 28, 2024, 10:33:47 AM
    I was not being snarky I was serious, I can go through it if you want, and I probably should contain all the timestamps.

    It is only reasonable that you provide the timestamps for all of the quotes that you accused +W of in the OP, since the video is two hours long. I will then pick them apart one by one. And if I'm proven wrong, then I will admit it. But only as long as +W said exactly what you said he said.

    It seems to me that you have exaggerated what he has said, in order to prove a point. Maybe I'm wrong. You were being snarky when you asked if I could manage that.
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #23 on: August 28, 2024, 10:39:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Hewkonian on August 28, 2024, 10:25:06 AM
    "Yet have no issues going to an SSPX Mass" is precisely the problem—and the reason I sound the alarm.


    Then you are wasting your time because as I said "You have sedavacantist here on CathIinfo that disagree with many issues of the SSPX and the Resistance, yet have no issues going to an SSPX Mass. Because these people know how to distinguish the issues that they agree with and those that they disagree with, and they know what to filter out and what to accept." 

    You justifying your obsession by saying it is " the reason I sound the alarm." even after knowing Bishop Williamson has practically no effect on the daily lives of most Traditional Catholics, only goes to prove that you have an obsession and have elevated Fr. Hewko to cult like status.
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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #24 on: August 28, 2024, 10:51:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Hewkonian on August 28, 2024, 10:48:17 AM
    Meg, as you can see, I am answering your questions. Please give me some time to break down the video with timestamps.

    I'll make a new post with this information. All the quotes I provided are within the Q&A portion, which is roughly 30 minutes long.
    In the meantime, head to this video: Novus Ordo Watch Commentary, which is timestamped at 23:10 and should help for now.

    Mea culpa if I seemed snarky.

    It's fine to take time to provide the timestamps. I'm not going to watch a Novus Ordo Watch video though. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #25 on: August 28, 2024, 10:52:25 AM »
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    • So basically, this thread is merely turning into the one that was deleted.  :facepalm:
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    « Reply #26 on: August 28, 2024, 10:53:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on August 28, 2024, 10:52:25 AM
    So basically, this thread is merely turning into the one that was deleted.  :facepalm:

    It would seem so, yes. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #27 on: August 28, 2024, 10:55:12 AM »
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    That is precisely my point, Bishop Williamson and other Bishops in the "resistance" no longer resist the Conciliar Church entirely, in fact he is promoting aspects of it! We must ring the alarm bells!
    Agree 1,000% that +Williamson is promoting aspects of the V2 church.  And it's wrong and dangerous.

    What I don't know is if this mentality is shared by the rest of the Resistance bishops/priests?  I've not seen much evidence to indicate this.

    +W's errors are based on his over-correction-in-the-opposite-direction of Sedevacantism and also his too-easily-agreeableness with miracles/apparitions.  I hope that this quasi-pro-new-church view is isolated to him.  Because I don't see the evidence that others (i.e. Fr Chazal) share +W's views on all these things.  Which is good.

    So let's not throw the entire Resistance as one, big "group think" based on +W alone.  More evidence is needed.
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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #28 on: August 28, 2024, 10:59:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on August 28, 2024, 10:39:05 AM
    Then you are wasting your time because as I said "You have sedavacantist here on CathIinfo that disagree with many issues of the SSPX and the Resistance, yet have no issues going to an SSPX Mass. Because these people know how to distinguish the issues that they agree with and those that they disagree with, and they know what to filter out and what to accept." 

    You justifying your obsession by saying it is " the reason I sound the alarm." even after knowing Bishop Williamson has practically no effect on the daily lives of most Traditional Catholics, only goes to prove that you have an obsession and have elevated Fr. Hewko to cult like status.

    I wonder if Fr. Hewko red lights attending all Traditional Masses except for his, and those few priests that he approves of. This is similar to the stance of dogmatic sedevacantists. Though as you say above, even sedevacantists have no issues with attending an SSPX Mass.

    +ABL, as far as I know, did not red light any other traditional Masses that operated independently of Rome. But Fr. Hewko does. So in that, +ABL and Fr. Hewko differ.
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #29 on: August 28, 2024, 11:00:00 AM »
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    • Why oh why is this cult member being allowed to propagate on here the calumnies and detractions of his vain cult leader? The fake lefebvrist. 

    The cult is diminishing to the point where they are all imbibing the spiritual Kool Aid of Fr Comb-Over and as we know misery loves company.

    Please, Matthew, delete this thread again. 
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