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Offline Hewkonian

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My previous post titled "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll" was recently deleted


Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2024, 07:54:26 PM »
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  • I like Father Hewko very much and consider him a friend, but honestly he is not perfect and he does and has made mistakes. I don’t believe he would want you to idolize him as you do. 
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #2 on: August 27, 2024, 08:23:26 PM »
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  • This is my 87th post, and I have mentioned Father Hewko in fewer than five of them. The post that was deleted was entirely about the errors of bishops in the resistance.



    Your screen name reflects your attachment to him and all of your positions align with his. 
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Hewkonian

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #3 on: August 27, 2024, 08:32:14 PM »
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  • Your screen name reflects your attachment to him and all of your positions align with his.

    Absolutely, my "attachment" is one of admiration-He recently married my wife and I!

    The username was created preemptively, as I knew it would only be a matter of time before I was labeled a "Hewkonaut" or "Hewkonian."

    Fr. Hewko's position is just Archbishop Lefebvre's position, it is Catholic and I hold it as well.
    If anyone is "idolizing" anyone, it's those who stand by Bishop Williamson and knowingly refuse to accept that he has fallen victim to modernism.

    Let's stick to the premise of my post. What are your thoughts on the errors of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Zendejas?



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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #4 on: August 27, 2024, 08:44:38 PM »
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  • Let's stick to the premise of my post. What are your thoughts on the errors of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Zendejas?

    If anyone is "idolizing" anyone, it's those who stand by Bishop Williamson and refuse to accept that he has fallen victim to modernism.

    I like some things they do and some things not so much. I hold this attitude towards all traditional clergy including Archbishop Lefebvre.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #5 on: August 27, 2024, 09:04:37 PM »
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  • My previous post titled "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll" was recently deleted, though not by me. In that post, I shared an article from The Recusant. My intention was to bring forth the errors within the Resistance circle, particularly those propagated by its Bishops.
    :confused: Pardon me, Hewkonian, but I don't think it's very complicated. CathInfo is the de-facto discussion headquarters for the SSPX Resistance, which it officially supports. (scroll down to bottom of page)

    If you had a forum that officially supported Fr. Hewko, would you welcome threads dedicated to attacking him?
    Would an SSPX affiliated forum welcome threads attacking +Lefebvre, +Fellay, et al?
    Would a CMRI affiliated forum welcome threads attacking +Pivarunas?
    Etc, etc, etc.
    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #6 on: August 27, 2024, 09:53:37 PM »
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  • If that thread was deleted, this one will possibly be deleted too.

    Anyway, do you really think that people will change their minds because they are reading your posts "denouncing" Bp. Williamson?

    All these things have been discussed to death before. This is old news.

    There are many people with different positions here. Somehow, they get along.

    You could discuss other subjects, or read old threads to understand what people think about Bp. Williamson's more controversial positions. Insisting on this might only get you banned and you will profit nothing.

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #7 on: August 28, 2024, 05:07:13 AM »
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  • Moreover, I must express concern over Bishop Williamson's promotion of Novus Ordo "miracles" and his assertion that there is grace in the New Mass. Such views are fundamentally contrary to Catholic doctrine and to Archbishop Lefebvre's position, which maintains that the New Mass does not confer grace.

    Hi Hewkonian
    Please provide exact quote and source for Archbishop Lefebvre’s statement that the new mass does not absolutely confer grace. For my sake. Thank you very much.


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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #8 on: August 28, 2024, 06:15:50 AM »
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  • If that thread was deleted, this one will possibly be deleted too.

    Anyway, do you really think that people will change their minds because they are reading your posts "denouncing" Bp. Williamson?

    All these things have been discussed to death before. This is old news.

    There are many people with different positions here. Somehow, they get along.

    You could discuss other subjects, or read old threads to understand what people think about Bp. Williamson's more controversial positions. Insisting on this might only get you banned and you will profit nothing.
    This... more or less. 

    Hewkonian, posters here have criticized Bishop Williamson before, but generally it isn't done in such an in-your-face way.  My sense after being here over a decade or so (a sedevacantist on a Resistance forum) is that if you respect/don't push back with Matthew's deletion of your anti-Bishop Williamson thread, include your criticisms as things come up, and remain respectful in your criticisms, they will be allowed. Otherwise, I wouldn't be surprised if you were to get banned.

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #9 on: August 28, 2024, 08:19:06 AM »
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  • If that thread was deleted, this one will possibly be deleted too.
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    I would say it will certainly get deleted. And our friend Huey here will get deleted too. I am very puzzled that he hasn't been deleted already, actually.

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #10 on: August 28, 2024, 08:25:29 AM »
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  • Absolutely, my "attachment" is one of admiration-He recently married my wife and I!

    The username was created preemptively, as I knew it would only be a matter of time before I was labeled a "Hewkonaut" or "Hewkonian."
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    Wow. I don't know much about Fr. Hewko, but I've run into several "followers" of his recently, and they all have this weird sort of attachment to him that Huey here has. This is definitely not just the normal admiration and reverence that anyone might have for a priest that he admires and learns from. On the contrary, the man seems to be running some sort of personality cult. Am I correct about this?


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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #11 on: August 28, 2024, 08:26:31 AM »
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  • That is precisely my point, Bishop Williamson and other Bishops in the "resistance"...

    Most of the quotes on your list have NOT been said by Bp. Williamson. Though a few of them have been said by him. Isn't it better to be honest about what he has really said?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

    Offline Hewkonian

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #12 on: August 28, 2024, 08:59:41 AM »
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  • Most of the quotes on your list have NOT been said by Bp. Williamson. Though a few of them have been said by him. Isn't it better to be honest about what he has really said?
    Unfortunately he has said all of these. Do you need me to paste a source and citation for everyone of them? And when I do will you just shrug your shoulders?

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #13 on: August 28, 2024, 09:02:55 AM »
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  • This... more or less. 

    Hewkonian, posters here have criticized Bishop Williamson before, but generally it isn't done in such an in-your-face way.  My sense after being here over a decade or so (a sedevacantist on a Resistance forum) is that if you respect/don't push back with Matthew's deletion of your anti-Bishop Williamson thread, include your criticisms as things come up, and remain respectful in your criticisms, they will be allowed. Otherwise, I wouldn't be surprised if you were to get banned.
    I am grateful that Matthew kept this post up.

    Offline Meg

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    Re: Clarification on the Removal of My Post "Fake Resistance Watch & Poll"
    « Reply #14 on: August 28, 2024, 09:04:32 AM »
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  • Unfortunately he has said all of these. Do you need me to paste a source and citation for everyone of them? And when I do will you just shrug your shoulders?

    Yes, please do give a citation for all of them. And make sure that they are true and accurate, and not made up. As of now, many of these quotes are fake. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29