Author Topic: CLARIFICATION from Bishop Tissier (Read 1950 times)

LamentabiliExitu · « **on:** September 01, 2012, 09:57:26 AM »

Moderator Note:
This member just signed up to post this. If it were a fake or disinformation, that would make sense. He has no existing reputation to go off of, so what can we do but take this whole post with a grain of salt?

His Excellency Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais requests that a clarification is made concerning the false information posted recently on Ignis Ardens.

"Vous faites bien de me questionner sur les propos que m'a paraît-il prêté l'abbé Pfeiffer. En réalité il n'y a rien de vrai dans ce que raconte l'internet de mon entretien avec François Chazal mardi dernier à Ecône."

"You do well in asking me about the comments with which Fr. Pfeiffer apparently credits me. In reality there is nothing true in what the Internet reports about my discussion with François Chazal last Tuesday at Ecône."

stgobnait · « **Reply #1 on:** September 01, 2012, 10:01:40 AM »

memo to me...... do not listen to rumours on the internet...... repeat ten times.......

Elizabeth · « **Reply #2 on:** September 01, 2012, 10:05:57 AM »

Who is responsible for misrepresenting Bp. Tissier? What names does he use on the foreums?

SJB · « **Reply #3 on:** September 01, 2012, 10:17:07 AM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

Who is responsible for misrepresenting Bp. Tissier? What names does he use on the foreums?

Here

John Grace · « **Reply #4 on:** September 01, 2012, 10:48:42 AM »

So what is the position of Bishop Tissier now? I recall he put his name to a letter which opposed an agreement with Rome.

clare · « **Reply #5 on:** September 01, 2012, 11:10:43 AM »

Quote from: LamentabiliExitu

His Excellency Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais requests that a clarification is made concerning the false information posted recently on Ignis Ardens.

That's right, blame Ignis!

It was copied from Cathinfo! And it originally came from TrueTrad.

John Grace · « **Reply #6 on:** September 01, 2012, 11:19:17 AM »

LamentabiliExitu,

You will have to prove what you posted is indeed from Bishop Tissier. I hold the view he is anti-agreement and stated so in a letter sent to Bishop Fellay and Menzingen. I have no doubt Bishop Fellay and his merry men want their deal but is this a pathetic attempt to convince us Bishop Tissier is now pro-agreement. Those that are pro-agreement are from the Rorate Caeli/ Indult type backgrounds. Bishop Tissier is more solid than that. It's laughable if people believe Bishop Tissier is for the sell out deal with Rome.

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #7 on:** September 01, 2012, 12:09:11 PM »

Quite obviously this is the real deal from +TdM, insofar as it's written on official SSPX letterhead, signed, and posted by a freshly hatched newbie. It would be foolish of me to question it's veracity, but nevertheless I'm curious LamentabiliExitu-Newbie, how did you come into possession of this formal clarification by +Tissier de Mallerais?

Nemmersdorf · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2012, 12:18:20 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

LamentabiliExitu,

You will have to prove what you posted is indeed from Bishop Tissier. I hold the view he is anti-agreement and stated so in a letter sent to Bishop Fellay and Menzingen. I have no doubt Bishop Fellay and his merry men want their deal but is this a pathetic attempt to convince us Bishop Tissier is now pro-agreement. Those that are pro-agreement are from the Rorate Caeli/ Indult type backgrounds. Bishop Tissier is more solid than that. It's laughable if people believe Bishop Tissier is for the sell out deal with Rome.

I can confirm that it is Mgr Tissier's writing.
What Mgr Tissier wrote above does not mean that he is pro-agreement, but only that he did not state what Fr Pfeiffer had reported he did! Quite a difference!

John Grace · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2012, 02:34:41 PM »

Fr Chazal and Fr Pfeiffer are on the side of Bishop Tissier so this note suggests he regards them as liars. Bishop Tissier is anti-agreement so we need to confirm what he means.

On Ignis Ardens this was posted

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10693&st=0

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Source: TrueTrad.com

8-29-12: Bishop Tissier says Bishop Fellay still very committed to a deal

Do not be fooled by all the propaganda and sweet-talk coming from the SSPX designed to lure us to sleep.
Bishop Fellay still wants a deal with Rome and is quietly but very surely moving in that direction.
The latest evidence given us from a reader who heard it directly from Fr. Pfeiffer:

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On Monday, August 27th, Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer told about 15 of us in Saint Marys, KS that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais spoke with Fr. Chazal (either that same day or in the previous few days), in Econe, Switzerland. (Apparently Fr. Chazal is still allowed there; his explusion is not yet finished). The Bishop told Fr. Chazal the following (which is paraphrased but accurate):

I am very heartbroken; all of our efforts to stop Bishop Fellay have been in vain. He has ignored us three bishops, ignored those who were opposed to his plans at the General Chapter. He has ignored the death of the other organizations that have made deals with Rome, ignored the priests who have spoken out, ignored the many faithful who have confronted him. Bishop Fellay still is completely committed to a deal with Rome, and is not at all altering his course. Bishop Fellay stated after the General Chapter had concluded that we must make a deal now; now is the critical time, before Pope Benedict dies. The SSPX/Rome talks are scheduled to resume in October.

Fr. Pfeiffer also added that Bishops Fellay and Tissier have made a sort of truce until that time.

God help us all! Holy Ghost, please englighten Bishop Fellay as to his folly before it is too late.

Bishop Fellay is committed to a deal.There is no doubt about that. The fight has either gone out of Bishop Tissier or this communication is a hoax. It's strange for a anti-agreement Bishop to regard somebody trying to help him as a liar. They are on the same side against the sell out by Bishop Fellay and his gang.

Are the group Fr Pfeiffer spoke to "liars"? Is Fr Pfeiffer a liar? Bishop Fellay is a liar. Does Rachel W accept this? She is glowing with glee rebuking ye all. Does she accept Fellay is a liar and a follower of Judas.These pro-agreement types sicken me.Personally, I would give them directions to nearest approved Latin Mass. I have a thing about those who love compromise.Seeking the half measures

John Grace · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2012, 02:41:50 PM »

I agree with Gregorio Sarto the IA moderator who stated Bishop Fellay is no different than that individual on Papa Stronsay.Same type of mindset. The Rorate Caeli/Conciliar mindset.

John Grace · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2012, 02:47:38 PM »

Whilst I would accept Nemmersdorf stating the writing is authentic, the original poster should outline more. I realise they will attempt everything to convince people to support an agreement but very few are for an agreement. Everyone I know is anti-agreement. One or two here and there in Ireland in SSPX circles are pro- agreement but they come from an Indult background so a pro-agreement position is to be expected from them.

John Grace · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2012, 02:55:33 PM »

I don't mean to get so personal with Rachel W regarding Bishop Fellay but I find it amusing how these Fellayites still defend Bishop Fellay despite everything. No hard feelings.It's one thing for them to seek clarification or not be sure but many seem disingenuous. I have no doubt Mr De Lallo is a good man but he just doesn't get it. Just one example. Then this exchange with Mc Farland. What can't he grasp? Do they accept there will be a deal?

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2012, 02:59:00 PM »

Rachel, the note allegedly written by +TdM is a fake. At least the forger had the decency not to sign it.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2012, 03:00:58 PM »

Hey, John: come up for air!

You talk about Rachel W as if she's your neighbor or casual acquaintance at least.

What's up?