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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Church Militant TV
« Reply #50 on: March 12, 2021, 07:09:55 AM »
Which is what I said.
I said the worst aspect so far was the cover up.
But just about every organisation covers it up.  Do you think for example if a high profile Opus Dei priest was guilty of abuse, or CM had ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ abuse happen on one of its Lenten cruises or retreats at sea they would not cover it up?
They covered up Voris's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle over 20 years for the first 12 years of his pencil twirling condemnations of Bishops.
They are the pot calling the kettle black.  But I don't deny the kettle is black.

You make a good point about Voris covering up his own past ... until an NO bishop was on the verge of outing him.  That's something I would want to know before allowing my kids anywhere near him.  Sure, he may be an ex-sodomite, but that's like an ex-alcoholic, where you wouldn't give him the keys to your liquor cabinet.

With regard to the SSPX cover-up, obviously that's the entire point.  Nobody can prevent a sodomite from sneaking in here or there.  Nevertheless, there are lots of times that CM has argued cover-up, where that may not have been the case ... such as with Palmquist, or even with Angles.  There's no evidence, for instance, that anyone higher up in the SSPX knew what Angles was doing.  Palmquist denies that anyone at STAS other than his confessor knew anything about his inclinations, and that he did not manifest any of it openly but suppressed it all.  There were other situations where it's possible that some of the SSPX didn't find various accusations to be credible.

Was there SOME element of cover-up there in the SSPX?  I believe so, especially with the case of Fr. Abbet, for instance.  But unfortunately CM does a disservice by mixing truth with unsubstantiated insinuations, smears against Traditional Catholicism in general (which they sneak in every few sentences in their videos), and presenting various hypotheses as if they were proven fact.  But given that they pepper in fiction with fact, it makes the actual facts, the ones that SHOULD be addressed, harder to find.  And, actually, because there's so much falsehood there, it even leaves people wondering about the REAL cases, whether even those are true.  If someone mixes in truth with lies, one starts to have doubts about whether the truths are also not lies somehow.
So I can't understand why hollingsworth refuses to take an objective view of CM.

Re: Church Militant TV
« Reply #51 on: March 12, 2021, 11:46:56 AM »
Tallin: 
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Which is what I said. 
I said the worst aspect so far was the cover up.
But just about every organisation covers it up.  Do you think for example if a high profile Opus Dei priest was guilty of abuse, or CM had ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ abuse happen on one of its Lenten cruises or retreats at sea they would not cover it up? 
They covered up Voris's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle over 20 years for the first 12 years of his pencil twirling condemnations of Bishops.
They are the pot calling the kettle black.  But I don't deny the kettle is black. 

Do I believe that other Catholic organizations would not cover up similar abuses in the same way that SSPX has?  Maye so.  I don't know.
Did Voris cover up his own ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behavior over 20 years.  Again, maybe so.  I don't really know.  But early or late, Voris did make a full public confession of his sins, not only to a priest in the Confessional, but to the whole cyber world.  The SSPX has not even come close to doing the same over at least the last 40 years.  Though it may be the pot calling the kettle black, I am happy to hear you admit, nevertheless, that the kettle is black.  It most certainly is.
And you're right.  The cover up is the worst aspect of all this.  I don't think that Palmquist is the real issue.  In a sense, he is just a side note, a poor, tragic figure, another hapless victim in the larger picture. i hope and pray that be able to repent before death, and find his way to Heaven.
I am persuaded, whatever Voris' past has been, that he and Niles have done some pretty solid reporting.


Offline Matthew

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Re: Church Militant TV
« Reply #52 on: March 12, 2021, 03:52:43 PM »
Tallin:
Do I believe that other Catholic organizations would not cover up similar abuses in the same way that SSPX has?  Maye so.  I don't know.
Did Voris cover up his own ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behavior over 20 years.  Again, maybe so.  I don't really know.  But early or late, Voris did make a full public confession of his sins, not only to a priest in the Confessional, but to the whole cувєr world.  The SSPX has not even come close to doing the same over at least the last 40 years.  Though it may be the pot calling the kettle black, I am happy to hear you admit, nevertheless, that the kettle is black.  It most certainly is.
And you're right.  The cover up is the worst aspect of all this.  I don't think that Palmquist is the real issue.  In a sense, he is just a side note, a poor, tragic figure, another hapless victim in the larger picture. i hope and pray that be able to repent before death, and find his way to Heaven.
I am persuaded, whatever Voris' past has been, that he and Niles have done some pretty solid reporting.
I agree.
Voris' past doesn't change the truth, nor does it invalidate everything he says or does for the rest of his life.
I like that summary "They are the pot calling the kettle black.  But I don't deny the kettle is black."

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Church Militant TV
« Reply #53 on: March 12, 2021, 04:40:22 PM »
Tallin:
Do I believe that other Catholic organizations would not cover up similar abuses in the same way that SSPX has?  Maye so.  I don't know.
Did Voris cover up his own ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behavior over 20 years.  Again, maybe so.  I don't really know.  But early or late, Voris did make a full public confession of his sins, not only to a priest in the Confessional, but to the whole cувєr world.  The SSPX has not even come close to doing the same over at least the last 40 years.  Though it may be the pot calling the kettle black, I am happy to hear you admit, nevertheless, that the kettle is black.  It most certainly is.
And you're right.  The cover up is the worst aspect of all this.  I don't think that Palmquist is the real issue.  In a sense, he is just a side note, a poor, tragic figure, another hapless victim in the larger picture. i hope and pray that be able to repent before death, and find his way to Heaven.
I am persuaded, whatever Voris' past has been, that he and Niles have done some pretty solid reporting.

I wouldn't give Voris too much credit for confessing online.  He had no choice because a Novus Ordo bishop was just about to expose him.

As for "solid reporting," I disagree.  I think that both Voris and Niles are biased against Traditional Catholicism, have an ax to grind, and so are inclined to see coverup where there may not be any or else where there might be but it's uncertain.  If there were any "maybe" situations, their agenda and their bias inspires them to go with it.  It's like with some of the Vatican II ambiguities, where everyone sees what they want to, where conservatives apply the hermeneutic of continuity while the Modernists see an endorsement of their heresies.  Some of these situations are probably a lot more complicated than they're letting on, but if it could possibly fit with their narrative of coverup, then they're going with it.

You seem a bit overly smitten with Voris, and/or motivated by an animus against the SSPX, so that you don't seem capable of viewing this objectively.

Re: Church Militant TV
« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2021, 04:50:14 PM »

Could the competition between Opus Dei and the SSPX represent two masonic factions vying for power?

The “Church Militant” news-front, funded by Opus Dei, has been running a smear campaign against the SSPX going on six years now.

What is their motivation?

Opus Dei is a secret society operating within the Church by a unique & clandestine system known as Prelature.  They report only to the Pope.

From the mouth of Fr. Schmidburger, we also know the SSPX seeks a Prelature with Rome.

A prelaturized SSPX, with the TLM, long cassocks and Max Krah bank accounts could be a threat to Opus judei... no?

Yours thoughts?