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Re: Church Militant TV
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2021, 07:12:31 PM »
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  • Opus Dei's "Church Militant" must be pretty hard up for an SSPX scandal.

    That story is so old, it has mold on it.

    Father Van Der Putten was disciplined many times.  He went off the rails and was defrocked by B16 at Bp. Fellay's request.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #2 on: February 11, 2021, 07:59:47 PM »
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  • Agreed, but there are still plenty of folks who are not aware....the act itself is horrendous....but is magnified by the coverup.  I for one was familiar with Van Derputtin, I purchased his retreat cassettes and looked to him for spiritual direction as a young husband and new father.  When he fell off the radar I started to ask SSPX priests what happened to him. Most told me he was transferred to Europe.  The closest answer to the truth that I received was that HE requested to be laicized because he fell in love and wanted to get married. Modernist  BXVI was more than happy to grant the request (one more Traditionalist gone). While I thought the story I was given was a bit fishy, I had no idea how bad it stunk.

    Sad!  For a wholelotta reasons!

    I have to wonder what the Archbishop would have done in this situation.  I’m sure in his long career he encountered unsavory / perverted priests.  

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #3 on: February 14, 2021, 11:35:56 AM »
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  • Opus Dei's "Church Militant" must be pretty hard up for an SSPX scandal.

    That story is so old, it has mold on it.

    Father Van Der Putten was disciplined many times.  He went off the rails and was defrocked by B16 at Bp. Fellay's request.
    It might be old news, but it was quite traumatizing to hear the details and learn the identity of the first (?) victim. I'd known that there had been sɛҳuąƖ impropriety, but had no idea of what a bad predator VDP dad been, considering his pre-meditation and his multiple victims. I'd known LouAnn and her brother when they lived in Post Falls. And I'd known Fr. VDP from the time he was ordained, and had been on retreat when he was retreat master. I saw a lot I didn't like about him from the start. And he became increasingly erratic before he was pulled from Los Gatos. 
    With the NWO's jackboot on The Church's face at this time in history, I hate to see Church Militant going after the SSPX like this. But on the other hand, I can see that the cover-ups and minimizing of the scandals paved the way for even more scandals. I'm not sure of the timeline, but if that pilgrimage to Europe took place after LouAnn informed Frs. T Pfeiffer and T Scott, that's inexcusable!

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #4 on: February 14, 2021, 01:08:06 PM »
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  • The Crisis in The Church has shown us there are wolves in sheep’s clothing everywhere. 
    If individual Priests were known only for saying Mass and giving the Sacraments, then perhaps these naive souls would stop putting them on pedestals as if anyone in a cassock is a ‘perfect living Saint’. This is misplaced trust that is causing this problem and not the cover-up (which is despicable btw) 

    DON’T send your children and teens on retreats or pilgrimages alone or without you there to watch them. 
    DON’T become overly familiar or get cozy in a friendship with these men just because they're wearing a white collar. 
    Priests are NOT GOD, they are fallible men that make mistakes. (Or worse, some are predators that are hiding out in the prime locations to find their victims) 

    While I’ve personally had the privilege to meet many good and holy priests over the years, I know they aren’t Saints until after they are dead, buried, and declared one by The Church. 


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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #5 on: February 14, 2021, 02:10:35 PM »
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  • It might be old news, but it was quite traumatizing to hear the details and learn the identity of the first (?) victim. I'd known that there had been sɛҳuąƖ impropriety, but had no idea of what a bad predator VDP dad been, considering his pre-meditation and his multiple victims. I'd known LouAnn and her brother when they lived in Post Falls. And I'd known Fr. VDP from the time he was ordained, and had been on retreat when he was retreat master. I saw a lot I didn't like about him from the start. And he became increasingly erratic before he was pulled from Los Gatos.
    With the NWO's jackboot on The Church's face at this time in history, I hate to see Church Militant going after the SSPX like this. But on the other hand, I can see that the cover-ups and minimizing of the scandals paved the way for even more scandals. I'm not sure of the timeline, but if that pilgrimage to Europe took place after LouAnn informed Frs. T Pfeiffer and T Scott, that's inexcusable!
    Brian,

    Thanks for your rebuttal.

    I’d like to distinguish or qualify the SSPX sex scandals based on the players, victims and level of cover-up involved.

    1. Fr. VDP perversion & apostasy:

    He showed signs of demonic possession. Those close him had noted his visible deterioration while he was based in N. CA.  He seemed to be a wild card, solo pervert.   

    And after 21 years of his demise, it’s hard to say who failed to act or covered-up for him?

    2. SSPX Post Falls sex scandal: 

    Now, this was an organizational failure and cover-up from top to bottom.

    Three unscreened perverts were allowed to run freely among this trad Catholic school, which had (7) priests managing it.  

    This scandal was covered-up all the way to the SSPX District Superior’s office.

    The primary news leak to the scandal was Cathinfo.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #6 on: February 14, 2021, 07:45:41 PM »
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  • Opus Dei's "Church Militant" must be pretty hard up for an SSPX scandal.

    That story is so old, it has mold on it.

    Father Van Der Putten was disciplined many times.  He went off the rails and was defrocked by B16 at Bp. Fellay's request.

    Yes, he was eventually disciplined and defrocked, but this lady's allegations are troubling, that Fr. Fullerton covered the whole thing up and then later allowed him to lead a retreat for girls.

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #7 on: February 14, 2021, 09:10:14 PM »
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  • https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/spotlight-sspx-predator-in-our-midst
    Watched the first part about Vander Putten completely. I lived in the world seducing bikini clad young girls (18-25 years old)  on the beach till I came back to the Church at 40+. I married and now have many daughters. I know the world out there very well.

    My first take is that what happened is "par for the course", very normal. Parents that think that a 19 year old girl has any business living by herself in another state, under the charge of  28 year old men, who have access to their bedrooms and shower facilities..... Any parent that thinks that's normal, is an idiot. A 19 year old girl should be living at home with her parents and not even be allowed to spend even one night at any house where there is a man, whether a 16 year old, or a father of 60.

    What happened to this girl is nothing compared to what could have happened had this Vander Putten known how to seduce such an easy target. Pardon my bluntness.

    (P.S. - the media interviewer is typical of Novus Ordo "Catholics", she is an obscene person with no class, two times the Vander Putten flashed the girl, the interviewer spells out the view in every detail. There was no need for that at all. She does it a few times more with other descriptions. No class!)
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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #8 on: February 14, 2021, 09:35:25 PM »
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  • I lived in the world seducing bikini clad young girls (18-25 years old)  on the beach till I came back to the Church at 40+. I married and now have many daughters. I know the world out there very well.
    Just wanted to warn you, LT. The way you talk about how you used to seduce beautiful young women, and about other things you like to talk about, it seems to me from reading your posts for the past few years that you suffer greatly from pride. I may be wrong and am not a spiritual director, but that is the impression I get from reading your posts. You are always saying how you are better than everyone else, a better sinner when you were a sinner, and now after your conversion a better saint, and all that.
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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #9 on: February 15, 2021, 01:58:13 AM »
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  • Just wanted to warn you, LT. The way you talk about how you used to seduce beautiful young women, and about other things you like to talk about, it seems to me from reading your posts for the past few years that you suffer greatly from pride. I may be wrong and am not a spiritual director, but that is the impression I get from reading your posts. You are always saying how you are better than everyone else, a better sinner when you were a sinner, and now after your conversion a better saint, and all that.
    LT
    God bless you for how far you have come!
    At the same time...
    Yes, you must have been a sexy beast to attract all of those bikini clad under 25 yos. 
    And yes, we get it. 
    You wouldn't budge over 25.
    No the body of a 26 yo wouldn't do for you.

    Okay..everyone has a past and you have knowledge into the mind of the deviants that may be helpful to the naive.
    And that is helpful to us all!
    And God will forgive anyone who asks...
    Just try to remember that the wife whose body can compare to the best of them is not what a good man strives for.

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #10 on: February 15, 2021, 06:24:09 AM »
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  • Brian,

    Thanks for your rebuttal.

    I’d like to distinguish or qualify the SSPX sex scandals based on the players, victims and level of cover-up involved.

    1. Fr. VDP perversion & apostasy:

    He showed signs of demonic possession. Those close him had noted his visible deterioration while he was based in N. CA.  He seemed to be a wild card, solo pervert.  

    And after 21 years of his demise, it’s hard to say who failed to act or covered-up for him?

    2. SSPX Post Falls sex scandal:

    Now, this was an organizational failure and cover-up from top to bottom.

    Three unscreened perverts were allowed to run freely among this trad Catholic school, which had (7) priests managing it.  

    This scandal was covered-up all the way to the SSPX District Superior’s office.

    The primary news leak to the scandal was Cathinfo.
    Incredulous,
    You're right about the difficulty in sorting out details after 21 years. Last night, it occurred to me that Church Militans is leaving out an important detail in the interview with the mother of that other victim: I'd forgotten that VDP was no longer with the SSPX when he started up that school at his brother's place. That means also that the group VDP was about to speak to when the girl's father confronted him was not an SSPX venue. VDP was accepted into the N.O. church after he left the SSPX, then at a later time he was defrocked for being a predator. I'm guessing now that the pilgrimage to Europe with the girls was also post-SSPX for VDP. VDP had sent out a letter to the faithful of Post Falls (and I'm guessing everywhere else in his address book) , after he left the SSPX, that gave his side of the story of his conflict with the SSPX. But he left out anything regarding his sɛҳuąƖ misconduct. And neither I, nor most people knew at the time of said misconduct, or at least not the grievousness of it. But you mentioned that he'd been disciplined many times, and Ladislaus mentioned that he'd been allowed to put on a retreat for girls after Fullerton knew of his misconduct. If this is true, then the SSPX is still has plenty of guilt in this.
    And yes, the SSPX Post Falls sex scandal was was clearly "was an organizational failure and cover-up from top to bottom". 


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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #11 on: February 15, 2021, 08:28:01 AM »
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  • Watched the first part about Vander Putten completely. I lived in the world seducing bikini clad young girls (18-25 years old)  on the beach till I came back to the Church at 40+. I married and now have many daughters. I know the world out there very well.

    My first take is that what happened is "par for the course", very normal. Parents that think that a 19 year old girl has any business living by herself in another state, under the charge of  28 year old men, who have access to their bedrooms and shower facilities..... Any parent that thinks that's normal, is an idiot. A 19 year old girl should be living at home with her parents and not even be allowed to spend even one night at any house where there is a man, whether a 16 year old, or a father of 60.

    What happened to this girl is nothing compared to what could have happened had this Vander Putten known how to seduce such an easy target. Pardon my bluntness.

    (P.S. - the mєdια interviewer is typical of Novus Ordo "Catholics", she is an obscene person with no class, two times the Vander Putten flashed the girl, the interviewer spells out the view in every detail. There was no need for that at all. She does it a few times more with other descriptions. No class!)
    This morning I watched the other Church Militant interview. That interview gets a ditto+++++++ of what I wrote above. The parent sends her 17 year old daughter to live in a strangers house in another state and the girl gets kissed on the lips and  gets flowers when she arrives!  Incredible idiocy. I only watched it that far. I get the picture.

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #12 on: February 17, 2021, 09:53:56 AM »
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  • We know what the Archbishop did with Carlos U.  He told Bishop Williamson to "watch him like a hawk".
    I assume that Ben Van Der Putten comes from the larger US Van der Putten family that produced other trad priests and large Catholics families.  I believe he has a brother who left the SSPX, joined the FSSP.
    Could it be the case that in a very large Catholic family where there is a pressure to become a priest or religious or get married and have a large family, that a person who is sɛҳuąƖly immature and mentally weak finds himself entering the seminary and goes all the way through never admitting that he really would have like to have got married instead.  Then as a priest the desire to have sex weighs on his mind and comes out in weird predatory sɛҳuąƖ behaviour with the only people he can target.  In many large families there is an odd ball or someone harbouring secrets or who simply does not want to follow the mores and norms of the family.  In some cases they run off and marry a divorcee, in other cases they lapse and in some cases they enter the SSPX seminary hoping that their inner badness will somehow be cured.
    Ben Van Der Putten married a woman in Hawaii, had 4 children, got divorced and now lives in a tiny house in Shawnee, OK.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 17, 2021, 10:05:50 AM »
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  • This morning I watched the other Church Militant interview. That interview gets a ditto+++++++ of what I wrote above. The parent sends her 17 year old daughter to live in a strangers house in another state and the girl gets kissed on the lips and  gets flowers when she arrives!  Incredible idiocy. I only watched it that far. I get the picture.

    I agree.  But there tends to be a correlation between people wanting to be innocent and avoid even dealing with perversion, sɛҳuąƖ matters, porn, predatory creeps and a level of naivety that is "incredible idiocy".  There is a certain "type" of victim here.  I watch them interviewed and I never see my wife, or my daughters or my many many nieces (none of whom wear denim skirts or have ever entered a convent).
    They are far less naïve than these women, but all married with children and practicing their faith.
    How does one both bring up children free of any discussion of things, phrases, behaviours that would allow them to spot a pervert or creepy priest, whilst at the same time giving them the mental tools and experience to spot a creepy priest.
    It's like being a cop in the inner city and needing to deal with the dead babies of drug addicts, hookers, transsɛҳuąƖ hookers and other scum.  You are not going to be able to live the life of a monk spiritually whilst at the same time handling the questioning, αrrєѕт, bail, interviews, tip offs of such people.
    What alerts me to this naivety is that when a priest exposes himself they don't immediately leave the building and take a taxi to the nearest motel or parishioner's house. 

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    Re: Church Militant TV
    « Reply #14 on: February 17, 2021, 10:35:37 AM »
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  • We know what the Archbishop did with Carlos U.  He told Bishop Williamson to "watch him like a hawk".
    I assume that Ben Van Der Putten comes from the larger US Van der Putten family that produced other trad priests and large Catholics families.  I believe he has a brother who left the SSPX, joined the FSSP.
    Could it be the case that in a very large Catholic family where there is a pressure to become a priest or religious or get married and have a large family, that a person who is sɛҳuąƖly immature and mentally weak finds himself entering the seminary and goes all the way through never admitting that he really would have like to have got married instead.  Then as a priest the desire to have sex weighs on his mind and comes out in weird predatory sɛҳuąƖ behaviour with the only people he can target.  In many large families there is an odd ball or someone harbouring secrets or who simply does not want to follow the mores and norms of the family.  In some cases they run off and marry a divorcee, in other cases they lapse and in some cases they enter the SSPX seminary hoping that their inner badness will somehow be cured.
    Ben Van Der Putten married a woman in Hawaii, had 4 children, got divorced and now lives in a tiny house in Shawnee, OK.

    I don't find your theory regarding the path to Benedict VanderPutten's path to being a predator to be at all implausible.


     

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