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Chronology of the recent uprising in France
« on: May 17, 2017, 12:04:05 PM »
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  • Another post "from the mailbag":

    Dear Friends-

    Yesterday evening I sent you an email, notifying you of a petition directed towards Bishop Fellay and the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, which rejects the subjection of the sacrament of marriage in SSPX chapels to diocesan officials.

    I apologize for the many typo's in that hurried email, but wanted to let you know that the number of signatories of that petition has nearly doubled in the last 12 hours, and word of its existence spreads.

    Meanwhile, the French Resistance forum has just posted the letter of yet another brave Frenchman: Mr. Albert Laurent (a collaborator with the official SSPX French District periodical, Fideliter), which can be found here: http://resistance.vraiforum.com/t245-La-defense-des-Doyens-s-organise.htm#p785 

    In order to help keep you abreast of these historical developments, I have compiled a brief chronology of events here:

    3/27/17: Cardinal Gerhard Muller publishes "pastoral guidelines" for marriages in SSPX chapels, which envisage "Insofar as possible, the Local Ordinary is to grant the delegation to assist at the marriage to a priest of the Diocese (or in any event, to a fully regular priest), such that the priest may receive the consent of the parties during the marriage rite..."

    4/4/17: The pastoral guidelines are published by Rorate Coeli, and ignite an instantaneous firestorm (even amongst conservative/indult media outlets like The Remnant): http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/04/step-by-step-vatican-issues-marriage.html 

    4/4/17: Rather than rejecting this interference and entanglement with diocesan authorities, the SSPX "conveys its deep gratitude to the Holy Father for his pastoral solicitude>"
    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/sspx-statement-about-holy-see-letter-concerning-marriages-28843 

    4/16/17: Fr. Phillipe Francois in his Easter Sunday sermon denounces both the pastoral guidelines on marriage specifically, and the ralliement movement generally, and exhorts Menzingen to return to the path of Archbishop Lefebvre.  I have received no public updates to his fate since this sermon.

    4/18/17: Attempting to justify support for these pastoral guidelines, GREC collaborator (and former SSPX Communications Director) Fr. Lorans, publishes a bizarre account titled "The Adventure of Georges" which depicts the psychological evolution of Georges who has benefited from all the concessions Rome has made to the SSPX since the ralliement began.  He is now at peace.  For the original DICI publication, as well as some insightful responses to this fictitious account, please see the French Resistance forum here: 
    http://resistance.vraiforum.com/t185-Les-aventures-de-Georges.htm

    5/7/17: French media outlet Medias-Presse.info publishes a collaborative work of 7 of the 10 French District deans, and all three major French religious congregations: The Benedictines of Bellaigue, Capuchins of Morgon, and the Transfiguration, denouncing the acceptance of ordinary jurisdiction for SSPX marriages, and the pastoral guidelines generally.  http://www.medias-presse.info/mariages-dans-la-fsspx-lettre-de-doyens-de-la-fsspx-et-des-communautes-religieuses-amies/73700/

    5/7/17: Fr. Bouchacourt (SSPX French District Superior), at the direction of Menzingen, immediately denounces all 7 SSPX deans, and removes them all from their positions of leadership.
    http://cristiadatradicinalista.blogspot.cz/2017/05/panique-menzingen.html 

    5/10/17: Fr. Bouchacourt addresses all the priests of the French District with an encyclical, and denounces the 10 signatories as rebels and subversives: 
    http://resistance.vraiforum.com/t220-Les-sanctions-contre-les-7-signataires-commencent-a-tomber.htm

    To date, I am not aware of a response from the 7 deans and 3 religious congregations to Fr. Bouchacourt.

    Various SSPX priests, Resistance priests, and laymen have made responses (mostly in French).

    If a response from the 7 deans is forthcoming, I will pass it along to you.

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    Re: Chronology of the recent uprising in France
    « Reply #1 on: May 18, 2017, 08:00:12 AM »
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  • From http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/

    Albert Laurent regularly collaborates in Fideliter, the magazine of the FSSPX in France.  He communicates the following article to us.

     Last Sunday, May 7, seven dean priests from the district of France of the Fraternity Saint Pius X took public position against the last Vatican text on marriages celebrated in the Catholic Tradition.  His statement read in the pulpit caused a great stir, especially in its immediate consequences.  The priests in question were effectively suspended from their duties as deans and Fr. Patrick de la Rocque, considered to be the instigator of this action, has been removed from his functions as "parish priest" of St. Nicholas of Chardonnet.  As we all know, this case is presented in a context of rapprochement between Rome and the Fraternity.  How should it be analyzed?

     Who is it about?

     In the religious society founded by Monsignor Lefebvre, the priests' apostolate is organized from a priory.  A dean is a prior of experience, referent within a region that is part of a wider group called district (or country).  The District of France comprises ten deaneries.  The statement has been signed by seven of ten deans.  In addition, all the traditional male religious communities present in France (Benedictines of Bellaigue, Capuchins of Morgon and the Fraternity of the Transfiguration) signed the document.  Therefore, the statement is clothed with an undeniable moral authority.  It would be imprudent to dismiss it simply, reducing the initiative to "some priests of the District of France" (" Regarding a letter of some priests to the faithful of the District of France ", May 11, 2017, published on the official news site of The General House of the SSPX).  On the other hand, these priests are recognized in France for their seriousness, their pastoral zeal, their doctrinal and spiritual solidity.  They are unanimously recognized, respected and loved by the faithful.

     Have these priests acted without saying anything to their superiors?  It is the reproach formulated in the article quoted above: " some priests read recklessly from the pulpit and spread a letter addressed to the faithful, without the knowledge of the District Superior, calling into question the direction of the Fraternity Saint Pius X. "  This statement is manifestly false.  For weeks, these priests alerted their superiors to the problems raised by the Roman text on marriages and, more generally, the dangers of a ralliement of the Fraternity to Rome in the canonical form of a personal prelature.  But faced with the inertia they found, the dean priests assumed their responsibility.  Father de la Rocque was to meet with the district superior of France on Wednesday, May 3, to make him aware of the text of the declaration.  He was finally received on Friday 5 May, therefore before the publication the following Sunday, as Father Bouchacourt just recognized in the newspaper Présent dated yesterday .  On the other hand, an attentive and loyal reading of the deans' text does not allow the identification of words or expressions that call into question the general authority of the Fraternity.

     What is it about?

     Let us now turn to the substance of the matter raised by the letter.  Behind an apparent benevolence, the Roman text of March 27, 2017 presents in fact a concrete form of ralliement in a precise domain, that of marriage.  Until now, in the face of the impossibility of recourse to the official parish priests because of modernism, the faithful of the Tradition were married in the extraordinary form, which is perfectly foreseen in the canonical law of the Church.  The Roman text places the diocesan bishop at the heart of the mechanism.  The latter may delegate the priests of the Fraternity to receive the consents of the spouses, " where it is not possible or there are no priests of the Diocese who can receive the consent of the parties."  But the type of impossibility is not precise and, above all, it is a simple faculty given to the bishop.  He could not exercise this power and impose on the spouses the diocesan priest of his choice.  You can see the difficult situations that can arise.  What will happen if the bishop does not give his delegation?  Will marriage be considered valid if the faithful of the Fraternity ignore it?

     More generally, accepting to submit our marriages to ordinary jurisdiction, is to accept submitting to the ecclesiastical courts that judge these matters.  But these courts have a misconception of marriage, leaving Vatican II, which ensures the primacy of the second end (personal welfare of the spouses) on the first (procreation and education of children).  In fact, these courts declare invalid marriages that are certainly valid, which is aggravated by the recent simplified procedure of Pope Francis.

     Another lacuna of the text: the Roman text does not solve the validity of the traditionalist marriages celebrated before these new dispositions.  It is a great injustice that could have been repaired, but that persists.

     In conclusion, the text of the Ecclesia Dei Commission, although having received in its broad lines the endorsement of the General House of the SSPX ("so that these Roman provisions in favor of marriages in Tradition can be received without doubt or ambiguity By all the priests ... ") presents a logic of its own which is that of ralliement to the council authorities and in this can not be accepted.  For behind this legal question of marriage is a question of substance: can we deliberately put ourselves under a modernist authority without endangering our soul?
     With their courageous action, these priests, our priests, have denounced the Roman trap.  In doing so, they have safeguarded the essence of the Tradition's combat.  Honor and support to them.

     Albert Laurent


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    Re: Chronology of the recent uprising in France
    « Reply #2 on: May 18, 2017, 08:19:03 AM »
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  • Have these priests acted without saying anything to their superiors?  It is the reproach formulated in the article quoted above: " some priests read recklessly from the pulpit and spread a letter addressed to the faithful, without the knowledge of the District Superior, calling into question the direction of the Fraternity Saint Pius X. "  This statement is manifestly false.  For weeks, these priests alerted their superiors to the problems raised by the Roman text on marriages and, more generally, the dangers of a ralliement of the Fraternity to Rome in the canonical form of a personal prelature.  But faced with the inertia they found, the dean priests assumed their responsibility.  Father de la Rocque was to meet with the district superior of France on Wednesday, May 3, to make him aware of the text of the declaration.  He was finally received on Friday 5 May, therefore before the publication the following Sunday, as Father Bouchacourt just recognized in the newspaper Présent dated yesterday .  On the other hand, an attentive and loyal reading of the deans' text does not allow the identification of words or expressions that call into question the general authority of the Fraternity.

    I am glad this is being clarified. I had no doubt they had tried to raise the issue privately first.

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    Re: Chronology of the recent uprising in France
    « Reply #3 on: May 18, 2017, 09:42:07 PM »
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  • "The District of France comprises ten deaneries.  The statement has been signed by seven of ten deans.  In addition, all the traditional male religious communities present in France (Benedictines of Bellaigue, Capuchins of Morgon and the Fraternity of the Transfiguration) signed the document."


    How can it be possible for the SSPX superiors to persist in this nightmare with what seems like practically all of France against them?


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    Re: Chronology of the recent uprising in France
    « Reply #4 on: May 19, 2017, 06:43:15 AM »
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  • Gosh, Bernie had better conclude that agreement before being guillotined! If there is any revolt in France, we are inclined to ask what kept them. I have always said the Society would sink or swim with the French but the Swiss inner circle and its favoured German zone may now hold all the cards. The French district may have to consult Fr. Cekada on how to stage an effective separation!


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    Re: Chronology of the recent uprising in France
    « Reply #5 on: May 19, 2017, 05:14:17 PM »
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  • Padre La Rocque es un acordeonista. Se le dio una orden, evidentemente ... para detectar aquellos sacerdotes que no quieren el acuerdo ... Me explico:

    La Rocque es un miembro de la GREC ... y está convencido de que es posible celebrar la misa en lengua vernácula:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/p-de-la-rocque-sspx-the-tridentine-mass-may-be-celebrated-in-the-vernacul/

    http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com.ar/2015/07/p-de-la-rocque-fsspx-la-misa-tridentina.html

    http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.com.ar/2013/06/labbe-de-la-rocque-et-la-legitimite-de.html

    http://wwwmileschristi.blogspot.com.ar/2015/09/censura-interna-en-la-fsspx.html

    Bouchacourt le ordena que "detectar" los que no están de acuerdo. Él les detecta, les hace creer que él no está de acuerdo con el acuerdo herético Roma - FSSPX traidor. Ellos están de acuerdo en escribir una carta indicando su oposición a los matrimonios FSSPX. La carta se publica y se lee. Toda la miseria, pero incluso si el Padre La Rocque parece ser denigrado, para él, que será como unas pequeñas vacaciones ... y se habrá logrado su objetivo: hacer visibles aquellos que no están con Fellay, sacerdotes y laicos. La purga continúa ..

    Es lo que pienso, porque es la "política" de Bergoglio, paso a paso ...

    Memory boys, memory please ...

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    Re: Chronology of the recent uprising in France
    « Reply #6 on: May 19, 2017, 05:28:20 PM »
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  • I think the publication went wrong and here goes in English "google":

    Father La Rocque Is in favor of the agreement . He was given an order, evidently ... to detect those priests who do not want the agreement ... I explain myself:

    La Rocque is a member of the GREC ... and is convinced that it is possible to celebrate mass in the vernacular:

    http://Https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/p-de-la-rocque-sspx-the-tridentine-mass-may-be-celebrated-in-the-vernacul/

    http://Http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com.ar/2015/07/p-de-la-rocque-fsspx-la-misa-tridentina.html

    http://Http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.com.ar/2013/06/labbe-de-la-rocque-et-la-legitimite-de.html

    http://Http://wwwmileschristi.blogspot.com.ar/2015/09/censura-interna-en-la-fsspx.html

    Bouchacourt orders him to "detect" those who do not agree. He detects them, makes them believe that he does not agree with the heretical agreement Roma - FSSPX traitor. They agree to write a letter stating their opposition to FSSPX marriages. The letter is published and read. All the misery, but even if Father La Rocque seems to be denigrated, for him, it will be like a little vacation ... and will have achieved its goal: to make visible those who are not with Fellay, priests and laity. The purge continues ..

    It is what I think, because it is the "policy" of Bergoglio, step by step ...

    Memory boys, memory please ...

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    Re: Chronology of the recent uprising in France
    « Reply #7 on: May 23, 2017, 10:58:29 AM »
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    LETTER OF SUPPORT from Fr. DENIS PUGA
     
     To the PPs David Aldalur, Xavier Beauvais, François-Xavier Camper, Bruno France, Thierry Gaudray, Patrick de La Rocque, Thierry Legrand


     Paris, May 7, 2017

     
     Very dear brothers and deans:

     
     With attention I have read your "Letter of the Deans" made public the past 7 May.  As a priest of the district, I would like to thank you sincerely for this statement so clear and so strong that it will have the effect, I am sure, to reassure our faithful as to the certainty of finding among the priests of our dear Fraternity Saint Pius X the necessary help To contract and celebrate their marriage in the spirit of combat carried out by Monsignor Lefebvre, that is to say, in a spirit of unshakable fidelity to the teaching of the Church.

     
     The decision of Pope Francis, made public by the Ecclesia Dei Commission last April, and already widely commented on in the media, has caused great concern among the faithful;  They fear that we will ask them from now on to submit themselves necessary and only to the decision of the local bishops to be able to validly and legitimately exchange a marriage consent according to the traditional rite.

     
     The true, precise, faith-filled and canonically well supported argumentation of your letter will reassure and calm you.  I have already received testimony.  It is as true shepherds, concerned for the good and protection of the souls that God has entrusted to them, that you acted.  In the present situation, speaking loudly, loudly and directly has become more necessary than ever;  You did, and thank you very much for that.

     
     I particularly appreciate the conclusion of your letter, in which you emphasize that the first step towards the granting of a possible personal prelature that should preserve us as we are, paradoxically consists in a willingness to submit the marriages of our faithful to Ordinaries who do not have Nothing to object to the harmful teachings and the disastrous decisions of Pope Francis on the sanctity of marriage.

     
     I can assure you that many confreres in the district, with whom I have had an opportunity to meet, share this feeling of gratitude.  As one of them told me: "it is a beautiful text, clear and comforting by that vigor that we thought we would never hear again."

     
     May the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to which Monsignor Lefebvre consecrated the Priestly Fraternity Saint Pius X, be our help.  May Our Lord keep and protect you.

     
     Father Denis PUGA  


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    Good grief!!!
    « Reply #8 on: May 27, 2017, 10:30:20 AM »
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  • I hope those resistance priests are not hard at all to detect.  :P

    The sellout of the SSPX is so tragic...  I am tempted to think there may be a special place in hell for them, where they will be tormented by all the souls they betrayed... :furtive:
    Our Lady of Fatima Pray for us you are our only hope!

     

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