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parentsfortruth · « **on:** December 09, 2012, 08:48:02 AM »

Recently, our chapel has seen some changes take place, and everytime I see something differently than when Father Bolduc was here, I'm going to record it, so maybe people can see the gradualism happening here.

The bells used to be rung, when the offertory prayers were said, now, they're not. The bells used to be rung during the "Domine Non Sum Dignus" 3 times, now, they're not.

At the high masses, now the congregation is singing the responses in Latin. We didn't do that when Father Bolduc was here. After the high mass today, the SSPX Father is going to give a brief class to the congregation on chant.

Whenever Father Bolduc would run across a missal that was 1962 or newer that was in the pews, he would toss them in the trash can. I don't sit inside Church very often because of my babies, but the last 3 days of going to mass, in EVERY SINGLE PEW I SAT IN, there was a 1963 missal.

Why is this happening? It's only happened since the SSPX has come here. Some of us are very disturbed about these changes, and don't want the changes at all.

I was told that one of the board members now says that they are only in charge of the property of the Church, and can't say anything about what changes are made at Mass. This is WRONG.

The SSPX has their literature all over the place. Father used to pay for Catholic Family News, which is blatantly absent in the back of the Church now. This is very disturbing as well.

"What's HER problem?" I don't have a problem. The priest that is here is making changes we don't want, and the people in charge don't seem to have the backbone to stick to their guns and say NO. This is looking more and more like the 1950s, where people just "shut up and obeyed."

Now, the SSPX is selling 1962 missals, and having people sign up to purchase one in the basement of the Church. Father Bolduc would have tossed those in the trash, and now, we having them sold right inside of Church.

Father would not have wanted this.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 09, 2012, 08:55:50 AM »

Being a traditional Catholic isn't about submitting to whichever priest is sent to your Church on Sunday.

All those years of practices by Father Boulduc are changed by newcomers?

To what end? What is the reason?

There is a ʝʊdɛօ-masonic takeover occurring in the SSPX.

That is the reality. People need to wake up to what's going on.

Bishop Fellay offered the future of the society to Rome.

Those interested in blindly submitting to priests may as well go back to the Novus Ordo.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** December 09, 2012, 09:12:06 AM »

Freemasons in the Vatican:

http://gloria.tv/?media=142663

The new associate of the SSPX, among "72 global leaders"

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #3 on:** December 10, 2012, 09:33:35 AM »

Here's the missal that Father Bolduc recommended to us, and years back, had us buy. Note that this is a 1945 missal, and not a 1962 missal.

http://www.traditionalcatholicgoods.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=48&

PAT317 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 10, 2012, 09:37:04 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Recently, our chapel has seen some changes take place, and everytime I see something differently than when Father Bolduc was here, I'm going to record it, so maybe people can see the gradualism happening here.

I think everyone ought to be doing this at their chapels. Docuмent any changes to the way things used to be done. The more precise the docuмentation, the better.

bowler · « **Reply #5 on:** December 10, 2012, 10:19:24 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Recently, our chapel has seen some changes take place, and everytime I see something differently than when Father Bolduc was here, I'm going to record it, so maybe people can see the gradualism happening here.

- The bells used to be rung, when the offertory prayers were said, now, they're not

- The bells used to be rung during the "Domine Non Sum Dignus" 3 times, now, they're not.

- At the high masses, now the congregation is singing the responses in Latin. We didn't do that when Father Bolduc was here.

After the high mass today, the SSPX Father is going to give a brief class to the congregation on chant.

- Whenever Father Bolduc would run across a missal that was 1962 or newer that was in the pews, he would toss them in the trash can. I don't sit inside Church very often because of my babies, but the last 3 days of going to mass, in EVERY SINGLE PEW I SAT IN, there was a 1963 missal.

- Now, the SSPX is selling 1962 missals, and having people sign up to purchase one in the basement of the Church. Father Bolduc would have tossed those in the trash, and now, we having them sold right inside of Church.

I always heard nothing but good things about Fr. Bolduc, though I never met him, nor had the extraordinary priviledge of living where his church was. You were blessed. For those like me that don't know deatils about Fr. Bolduc:

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Obtituaty for Fr. Bolduc from:

Rev. Fr. Hector L. Bolduc, 76, of De Pere, Parish Priest of St. Michael Church in De Pere, died peacefully in the early hours of Monday, September 10, 2012. He was born June 21, 1936 in Gilford, NH, son of the late Hector and Aurore (Theberge) Bolduc. Fr. Bolduc was a veteran of the US Army serving in the European Theatre. He was an avid world traveler and collector. Fr. had been a member of the Marian Fathers in Stockbridge, MA before going to Catholic University in Washington, D.C. He was ordained in Econe, Switzerland on June 29, 1974 by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

Fr. Bolduc had been one of the earliest American members of the Society of St. Pius X, and was the District Superior of the Southwest District in the United States for several years until 1984 - after the Southwest and Northwest Districts were united into the present USA District.

It was due to Fr. Bolduc's efforts that the SSPX obtained the substantial properties of St. Mary's, Kansas, Queen of Angels Church in Dickinson, Texas, St. Vincent de Paul Church in Kansas City, Missouri, as well as many other places for offering the Traditional Latin Mass.

For the last 35 years, Fr. Bolduc has been assisting at St. Michael Church in De Pere. He also has been instrumental in the founding of over 20 mission chapels throughout the country. Fr. left a lasting legacy through all those he has touched..

One curious part that you wrote strikes me as a new developement, you said that the congregation owns the property. That is different than all of the SSPX chapels. Do not give up the property to the SSPX. If they are bossing you around now, imagine what they'll do when they own your properties!

bowler · « **Reply #6 on:** December 10, 2012, 10:27:47 AM »

I also saw this in my obituary search about Fr. Bolduc

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Father Hector Bolduc, RIP

by Brother André Marie September 10, 2012

We ask our tertiaries, friends, and benefactors to keep Father Hector Bolduc in your prayers. Father Bolduc was a long-time friend of Saint Benedict Center. It was he who arranged the meeting in St. Mary’s, Kansas between Brother Francis and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1980. He was, at the time, a priest of the Society of Saint Pius X.

Father Bolduc was a hard-working priest who was most self sacrificing in the administration of the sacraments. He was also a good friend, and took criticism for his championing of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Father Bolduc had stage four cancer. His death is no surprise. A tertiary of ours in Wisconsin wrote us this morning: “Father Bolduc didn’t show up for Mass this morning and, when someone checked on him, they found that he pad passed away some time during the night in his sleep. Please pray at least one Ave Maria for the repose of the soul of this great man.”

Did Fr. Bolduc leave the SSPX because of his belief in EENS as it is written?

John Grace · « **Reply #7 on:** December 10, 2012, 10:31:12 AM »

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and took criticism for his championing of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Criticism from whom?

bowler · « **Reply #8 on:** December 10, 2012, 10:58:54 AM »

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and took criticism for his championing of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Criticism from whom?

It would have to be from the SSPX itself, since they are so vociferously opposed to the "Feeneyites". They are the only people publishing books against "Feeneyism".

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #9 on:** December 10, 2012, 11:31:17 AM »

Quote from: bowler

I also saw this in my obituary search about Fr. Bolduc

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Father Hector Bolduc, RIP

by Brother André Marie September 10, 2012

We ask our tertiaries, friends, and benefactors to keep Father Hector Bolduc in your prayers. Father Bolduc was a long-time friend of Saint Benedict Center. It was he who arranged the meeting in St. Mary’s, Kansas between Brother Francis and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1980. He was, at the time, a priest of the Society of Saint Pius X.

Father Bolduc was a hard-working priest who was most self sacrificing in the administration of the sacraments. He was also a good friend, and took criticism for his championing of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Father Bolduc had stage four cancer. His death is no surprise. A tertiary of ours in Wisconsin wrote us this morning: “Father Bolduc didn’t show up for Mass this morning and, when someone checked on him, they found that he pad passed away some time during the night in his sleep. Please pray at least one Ave Maria for the repose of the soul of this great man.”

Did Fr. Bolduc leave the SSPX because of his belief in EENS as it is written?

No, Father Schmitburger said that he had to be somewhere at a certain time, and his flights were delayed... something he had absolutely no control over, and they booted him out. When the mistake was noted by Fr. Schmitburger, and he was asked to come back, he decided not to return.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #10 on:** December 10, 2012, 01:04:53 PM »

Quote from: bowler

Quote from: John Grace
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and took criticism for his championing of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Criticism from whom?

It would have to be from the SSPX itself, since they are so vociferously opposed to the "Feeneyites". They are the only people publishing books against "Feeneyism".

The criticism of anyone's championing of EENS is generally from the
Conciliar Church, but as you say, Fr. Laisney et al seem to enjoy hurling
epithets at "Feeneyites" and their calumny is learned by the faithful that
read their screeds. I know a few who are rather confused about where
it is that salvation can be found, for certain. Their foundation in dogma
subsists in sand, apparently! It's more of the backbiting and detraction
they practice against others so as to divert criticism away from themselves.

But it is most curious to me that here we are with the Menzingen-denizens
pulling out all the stops in this surreal drive to make a 'deal' with Rome,
and going soft on the Vat.II grey areas, while they go about assassinating
the character of the St. Benedict Center, while all these years, the
Center has been on good terms with the local diocese and ordinary
bishop. Do you smell a rat?

The Center has exclusively the Canonized Traditional Latin Mass, and
never has the Novus Ordo liturgy. No innovations are creeping in, and
the rubrics and prayers are according to pre-1955 missals. I was there
when Fr. Hector Bolduc had flown in to say Mass for the new professions
and he stood there in front of the sanctuary, starting his most eloquent
sermon, saying that it is so nice to be back "where everything is so
familiar." I had to fight back the tears. I wish I had made a video, or
at least an audio tape. He stared at me: I guess he could see
something in my face that I was trying to hide. God bless his soul.

Everything is familiar and everything is fine.

But I doubt he would say that now about the chapels he had been
caring for that are now being run by the Fellayites. The SSPX craves to
be accepted by Rome. Why don't they start imitating the St. Benedict
Center instead of spreading lies about them? Are they trying to climb
the corporate ladder by stepping on the heads of others? Or are they
just covetous of the high achievements of the so-called Feeneyites?

Frs. Pfeiffer and Chazal teamed up to say a Gregorian Series of Masses
for the repose of the soul of this GIANT of a priest. That was a fine
thing to do. I wonder if the Menzingen-denizens thought of doing
anything like that? Or are they putting all their energy instead into
innuendo and murmuring?

Wessex · « **Reply #11 on:** December 10, 2012, 05:42:06 PM »

Once again, it is now extreme folly allowing Society priests into independent chapels. They will possess a handbook prepared by Menzingen instructing them how to take over the parish and property in stages. Their presence first and foremost is a political act and laity must resist any friendly approach. Otherwise they may as well take a shorter route straight to the mainstream.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #12 on:** December 10, 2012, 06:14:54 PM »

Quote from: Wessex

Once again, it is now extreme folly allowing Society priests into independent chapels. They will possess a handbook prepared by Menzingen instructing them how to take over the parish and property in stages. Their presence first and foremost is a political act and laity must resist any friendly approach. Otherwise they may as well take a shorter route straight to the mainstream.

This is exactly what I suspected, and I warned about the very day of Father's funeral.

bowler · « **Reply #13 on:** December 10, 2012, 07:37:33 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

The Center has exclusively the Canonized Traditional Latin Mass, and
never has the Novus Ordo liturgy. No innovations are creeping in, and
the rubrics and prayers are according to pre-1955 missals.

Which St. B Center? The one in my link?

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #14 on:** December 15, 2012, 06:42:29 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Recently, our chapel has seen some changes take place, and everytime I see something differently than when Father Bolduc was here, I'm going to record it, so maybe people can see the gradualism happening here.

The bells used to be rung, when the offertory prayers were said, now, they're not. The bells used to be rung during the "Domine Non Sum Dignus" 3 times, now, they're not.

At the high masses, now the congregation is singing the responses in Latin. We didn't do that when Father Bolduc was here. After the high mass today, the SSPX Father is going to give a brief class to the congregation on chant.

Whenever Father Bolduc would run across a missal that was 1962 or newer that was in the pews, he would toss them in the trash can. I don't sit inside Church very often because of my babies, but the last 3 days of going to mass, in EVERY SINGLE PEW I SAT IN, there was a 1963 missal.

Why is this happening? It's only happened since the SSPX has come here. Some of us are very disturbed about these changes, and don't want the changes at all.

I was told that one of the board members now says that they are only in charge of the property of the Church, and can't say anything about what changes are made at Mass. This is WRONG.

The SSPX has their literature all over the place. Father used to pay for Catholic Family News, which is blatantly absent in the back of the Church now. This is very disturbing as well.

"What's HER problem?" I don't have a problem. The priest that is here is making changes we don't want, and the people in charge don't seem to have the backbone to stick to their guns and say NO. This is looking more and more like the 1950s, where people just "shut up and obeyed."

Now, the SSPX is selling 1962 missals, and having people sign up to purchase one in the basement of the Church. Father Bolduc would have tossed those in the trash, and now, we having them sold right inside of Church.

Father would not have wanted this.

I've received some clarification on something here. Mistakenly the bells weren't rung right before communion was distributed. The rubrics didn't allow for us to ring bells before offertory, so those have been eliminated. It was simply a local custom up to that point (probably a queue for people to sit in the pews.) This was looked into by the altar boys, referenced in the Father Lasance Missal, so this is no issue.

The Catholic Family News was mistakenly unsubscribed. The person who called CFN about removing an advert Fr. Bolduc had put into the paper in search of another priest, CFN mistakenly stopped sending the newspaper to the Church entirely, so that's been corrected. I'm told that they'll be available once again in the back of Church. Wonderful news.

I am still disturbed that the 1962 missals are being sold at my Church, and hope that the Father Lasance Missals will be the chosen ones instead. We'll see what happens with that.

Hopefully, there will be some investigation into the missals in the pews now and the bad ones will be removed.