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Re: Christmas Present
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2023, 09:59:11 AM »
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  • Father Hesse sure did love his wine (as shown on the cover of this book).  I recall a few videos where he's discoursing on matters related to the faith while sipping a glass of wine.  

    Perhaps that would explain some of his conclusions :laugh1:



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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #2 on: December 18, 2023, 10:20:48 AM »
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  • He makes more sense than this snarky comment.:fryingpan:

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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #3 on: December 18, 2023, 10:44:10 AM »
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  • I recommend to people who make snarky comments (not that anyone would do so on a Catholic forum):


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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #4 on: December 18, 2023, 05:32:55 PM »
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  • He makes more sense than this snarky comment.:fryingpan:

    Some people need to develop a little sense of humor here.  It's clear that the cover of this book is intended to be humorous.


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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #5 on: December 18, 2023, 05:34:04 PM »
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  • I recommend to people who make snarky comments (not that anyone would do so on a Catholic forum):

    Oh, lighten up.  If it wasn't obvious that my comment was just poking a little fun at the cover of the book, the :laugh1: emoticon at the end should have cleared it up for you.  Be thankful that my comments bumped your thread.  I had a look at your link, saw the illustration on the book's cover, and thought it was funny.  And you respond by videos regarding "fanatical Trads".  You mean the type of Trad who has no sense of humor?

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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #6 on: December 18, 2023, 05:45:57 PM »
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  • OK, sorry, I stand corrected. Over the years, I have seen too much petty bickering on this forum, so I (incorrectly) assumed this was more of the same.

    Father Mawdsley did provide a useful talk on why we should stop the petty bickering. As an aside, he has a very useful and informative series of books on the prefigurement of the New Testament found in the Old Testament. His Youtube channel is worth a look.  

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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #7 on: December 18, 2023, 06:01:32 PM »
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  • OK, sorry, I stand corrected. Over the years, I have seen too much petty bickering on this forum, so I (incorrectly) assumed this was more of the same.

    Father Mawdsley did provide a useful talk on why we should stop the petty bickering. As an aside, he has a very useful and informative series of books on the prefigurement of the New Testament found in the Old Testament. His Youtube channel is worth a look. 
    Good suggestion for a Christmas present. Even if one does not agree with all Fr Hesse's conclusions, he was a very learned and interesting priest who can't go too far wrong with GKC. And what a sterling book cover!

    Where is Fr Mawdsley, do you know? Is his ordination certain, since he did come from the FSSP did he not? I recall he paid Bishop Williamson a visit at some point, I wonder what the outcome of that visit was? It would be great to see him working with the Resistance, we have such need of priests.


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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #8 on: December 18, 2023, 06:04:55 PM »
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  • I reckon Bishop Williamson would appreciate that. One of you fine English gentlemen should buy it for the good Bishop for Christmas.

    Offline BrJoseph

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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #9 on: December 18, 2023, 07:03:37 PM »
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  • I have no knowledge of his ordination. His teaching is sound. He does agree with BW on the 6M question and he clearly respects His Excellency. He left the FSSP because he knew that his opinions (Covid vaccine, keeping churches open, 6M, etc) were too controversial for the FSSP. He has a firm grip on his beliefs, even spent time in prison in Asia while fighting for human rights prior to conversion. And yet, he maintains a firm sense of balance and charity.  

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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #10 on: December 18, 2023, 08:27:05 PM »
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  • Since Chesterton is mentioned, here is his Wikipedia page, and the section is on his "anti-semitism":


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    Chesterton faced accusations of antisemitism during his lifetime, saying in his 1920 book The New Jerusalem that it was something "for which my friends and I were for a long period rebuked and even reviled".[76] Despite his protestations to the contrary, the accusation continues to be repeated.[77] An early supporter of Captain Dreyfus, by 1906 he had turned into an anti-dreyfusard.[78] From the early 20th century, his fictional work included caricatures of Jews, stereotyping them as greedy, cowardly, disloyal and communists.[79] Martin Gardner suggests that Four Faultless Felons was allowed to go out of print in the United States because of the "anti-Semitism which mars so many pages."[80]

    The Marconi scandal of 1912–1913 brought issues of anti-Semitism into the political mainstream. Senior ministers in the Liberal government had secretly profited from advance knowledge of deals regarding wireless telegraphy, and critics regarded it as relevant that some of the key players were Jєωιѕн.[81] According to historian Todd Endelman, who identified Chesterton as among the most vocal critics, "The Jew-baiting at the time of the Boer War and the Marconi scandal was linked to a broader protest, mounted in the main by the Radical wing of the Liberal Party, against the growing visibility of successful businessmen in national life and their challenge to what were seen as traditional English values."[82]

    In a work of 1917, titled A Short History of England, Chesterton considers the royal decree of 1290 by which Edward I expelled Jews from England, a policy that remained in place until 1655. Chesterton writes that popular perception of Jєωιѕн moneylenders could well have led Edward I's subjects to regard him as a "tender father of his people" for "breaking the rule by which the rulers had hitherto fostered their bankers' wealth". He felt that Jews, "a sensitive and highly civilized people" who "were the capitalists of the age, the men with wealth banked ready for use", might legitimately complain that "Christian kings and nobles, and even Christian popes and bishops, used for Christian purposes (such as the Crusades and the cathedrals) the money that could only be accuмulated in such mountains by a usury they inconsistently denounced as unchristian; and then, when worse times came, gave up the Jew to the fury of the poor".[83][84]

    In The New Jerusalem Chesterton dedicated a chapter to his views on the Jєωιѕн question: the sense that Jews were a distinct people without a homeland of their own, living as foreigners in countries where they were always a minority.-85"][85] He wrote that in the past, his position:
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    was always called Anti-Semitism; but it was always much more true to call it Zionism. ... my friends and I had in some general sense a policy in the matter; and it was in substance the desire to give Jews the dignity and status of a separate nation. We desired that in some fashion, and so far as possible, Jews should be represented by Jews, should live in a society of Jews, should be judged by Jews and ruled by Jews. I am an αnтι-ѕємιтє if that is Anti-Semitism. It would seem more rational to call it Semitism.-86"][86]
    In the same place he proposed the thought experiment (describing it as "a parable" and "a flippant fancy") that Jews should be admitted to any role in English public life on condition that they must wear distinctively Middle Eastern garb, explaining that "The point is that we should know where we are; and he would know where he is, which is in a foreign land."-86"][86]

    Chesterton, like Belloc, openly expressed his abhorrence of Hitler's rule almost as soon as it started.[87] As Rabbi Stephen Wise wrote in a posthumous tribute to Chesterton in 1937:
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    When Hitlerism came, he was one of the first to speak out with all the directness and frankness of a great and unabashed spirit. Blessing to his memory!-88"][88]

    In The Truth About the Tribes Chesterton attacked nαzι race theories, writing: "the essence of nαzι Nationalism is to preserve the purity of a race in a continent where all races are impure".[89]
    The historian Simon Mayers points out that Chesterton wrote in works such as The Crank, The Heresy of Race, and The Barbarian as Bore against the concept of racial superiority and critiqued pseudo-scientific race theories, saying they were akin to a new religion.[79] In The Truth About the Tribes Chesterton wrote, "the curse of race religion is that it makes each separate man the sacred image which he worships. His own bones are the sacred relics; his own blood is the blood of St. Januarius".[79] Mayers records that despite "his hostility towards nαzι antisemitism … [it is unfortunate that he made] claims that 'Hitlerism' was a form of Judaism, and that the Jews were partly responsible for race theory".[79] In The Judaism of Hitler, as well as in A Queer Choice and The Crank, Chesterton made much of the fact that the very notion of "a Chosen Race" was of Jєωιѕн origin, saying in The Crank: "If there is one outstanding quality in Hitlerism it is its Hebraism" and "the new Nordic Man has all the worst faults of the worst Jews: jealousy, greed, the mania of conspiracy, and above all, the belief in a Chosen Race".[79]

    Mayers also shows that Chesterton portrayed Jews not only as culturally and religiously distinct, but racially as well. In The Feud of the Foreigner (1920) he said that the Jew "is a foreigner far more remote from us than is a Bavarian from a Frenchman; he is divided by the same type of division as that between us and a Chinaman or a Hindoo. He not only is not, but never was, of the same race".[79]

    In The Everlasting Man, while writing about human sacrifice, Chesterton suggested that medieval stories about Jews killing children might have resulted from a distortion of genuine cases of devil worship. Chesterton wrote:
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    [T]he Hebrew prophets were perpetually protesting against the Hebrew race relapsing into an idolatry that involved such a war upon children; and it is probable enough that this abominable apostasy from the God of Israel has occasionally appeared in Israel since, in the form of what is called ritual murder; not of course by any representative of the religion of Judaism, but by individual and irresponsible diabolists who did happen to be Jews.[79][90]
    The American Chesterton Society has devoted a whole issue of its magazine, Gilbert, to defending Chesterton against charges of antisemitism.[91] Likewise, Ann Farmer, author of Chesterton and the Jews: Friend, Critic, Defender,[92][93] writes, "Public figures from Winston Churchill to Wells proposed remedies for the 'Jєωιѕн problem' – the seemingly endless cycle of anti-Jєωιѕн persecution – all shaped by their worldviews. As patriots, Churchill and Chesterton embraced Zionism; both were among the first to defend the Jews from nαzιsm", concluding that "A defender of Jews in his youth – a conciliator as well as a defender – GKC returned to the defence when the Jєωιѕн people needed it most."[94]



    There are all sorts of red flags here. He puts himself on the defense, which is suspicious and the trait of a poseur.
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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #11 on: December 19, 2023, 01:30:29 AM »
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  • I’ve been reading my way through Fr. Mawdsley’s five book series linking the new and old testaments.  Unfortunately, Amazon and few other outlets have banned his latest book, If You Believed Moses, vol. 2.  
    If anyone knows how to get a hard copy, please let me know!

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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #13 on: December 19, 2023, 05:54:59 AM »
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  • Father Hesse sure did love his wine (as shown on the cover of this book).  I recall a few videos where he's discoursing on matters related to the faith while sipping a glass of wine. 

    Perhaps that would explain some of his conclusions :laugh1:


    This reminds me of the Hillare Belloc Poem:

    "Wherever the Catholic Sun doth shine;
    There is always laughter and good red wine.
    At least I've always found it so.
    Benedicamus Domino."

    :cowboy:
    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

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    Re: Christmas Present
    « Reply #14 on: December 19, 2023, 09:24:34 AM »
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  • I have no knowledge of his ordination. His teaching is sound. He does agree with BW on the 6M question and he clearly respects His Excellency. He left the FSSP because he knew that his opinions (Covid vaccine, keeping churches open, 6M, etc) were too controversial for the FSSP. He has a firm grip on his beliefs, even spent time in prison in Asia while fighting for human rights prior to conversion. And yet, he maintains a firm sense of balance and charity.