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Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Christ the King Hymn on Last Sunday after Pentecost
« on: November 26, 2023, 07:59:36 PM »
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  • Mass ended today at the SSPX chapel that I attend with "To Jesus Christ our Sovereign King".

    This seems a little odd given that today is Christ the King on the Novus Ordo calendar. Yes, it is the end of the Roman liturgical year, yet one would think that a SSPX Mass center would avoid anything that would approach the Pauline liturgy.

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    Re: Christ the King Hymn on Last Sunday after Pentecost
    « Reply #1 on: November 26, 2023, 11:26:39 PM »
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  • That hymn is suitable for any time of the year, not just for the Feast of Christ the King. It is suitable also precisely as you said it is the end of the liturgical year, where Christ is the King of Time, the beginning and the end, the Alpha and Omega. It is not a big deal, unless your Trad chapel starts observing the NO calendar.


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    Re: Christ the King Hymn on Last Sunday after Pentecost
    « Reply #2 on: November 27, 2023, 04:56:01 AM »
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  • To Jesus Christ, our sovereign King,
    who is the world’s salvation,
    all praise and homage do we bring
    and thanks and adoration.

    Christ Jesus, Victor!
     Christ Jesus, Ruler!
     Christ Jesus, Lord and Redeemer.


    Your reign extend, O King benign,
    to every land and nation;
    for in your Kingdom, Lord divine;
    alone we find salvation.

    Christ Jesus, Victor!
     Christ Jesus, Ruler!
     Christ Jesus, Lord and Redeemer.


    To you, and to your church, great king,
    we pledge our heart’s oblation:
    unto before your throne we sing
    in endless jubilation.

    Christ Jesus, Victor!
     Christ Jesus, Ruler!
     Christ Jesus, Lord and Redeemer.




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    Re: Christ the King Hymn on Last Sunday after Pentecost
    « Reply #3 on: November 27, 2023, 05:31:42 AM »
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  • It is another indication that the SSPX is merging with the Conciliar Church. The last Sunday in Pentecost is supposed to be about the end of the world. The Conciliar Church moved the Feast of Christ the King to this Sunday to indicate their belief that Christ will only be King at the end of the world when He comes again in glory and majesty. The Feast of Christ the King was instituted to show the Catholic Church's belief that Christ is King now over all nations and all peoples even those who deny Him.

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    Re: Christ the King Hymn on Last Sunday after Pentecost
    « Reply #4 on: November 27, 2023, 05:56:37 AM »
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  • The "author" for this hymn is Martin B. Hellriegel (1890 - 1981) a Monsignor. Wondering was he modernist and came across this when researching:
     
    A Catholic priest and author, Martin B. Hellriegel was born in Heppenheim, Germany, in 1890, and came to the United States in 1906. In 1914 he was ordained in the Archdiocese of St. Louis. Hellriegel became an important leader in the movement for liturgical renewal in the Catholic Church, and was a founding member of the National Liturgical Conference in 1940. He died in 1981 at the convent in O'Fallon, Missouri, where he had previously served.
     





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    Re: Christ the King Hymn on Last Sunday after Pentecost
    « Reply #5 on: November 27, 2023, 08:32:55 AM »
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    Mass ended today at the SSPX chapel that I attend with "To Jesus Christ our Sovereign King".

    This seems a little odd given that today is Christ the King on the Novus Ordo calendar.
    Knowing the new-sspx's goal of joining new-rome, they probably did this on purpose to a) condition the faithful and b) to pacify the indulters in attendance.

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    Re: Christ the King Hymn on Last Sunday after Pentecost
    « Reply #6 on: November 27, 2023, 05:23:53 PM »
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  • I believe this sort of argumentation can only bring ridicule upon the Resistance.

    Read the words of the hymn: Thy reign extend O King benign to every land and nation, for in Thy Kingdom Lord Divine alone we find salvation. Does that sound like an affirmation of the Conciliar doctrine that Christ can only reign as King at the end of the world - the purpose in the New Church moving the feast of Christ the King to the Last Sunday of the liturgical year? Is it not in fact a contradiction of that doctrine, so is it not even extremely fitting that this hymn be sung in this context?

    When choosing a vernacular hymn to sing at Mass, it is usual to take into account the epistle and gospel which usually give the theme to the preaching. Consider Sunday's epistle: "...strengthened with all might according to the power of His glory... who hath ... translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of His love", and the gospel: "...and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of Heaven with much power and majesty; and He shall send His angels with a trumpet and a great voice, and they shall gather together His elect..."

    No doubt it is traditional to preach on this Sunday on the eschatological truths, but do you know a popular hymn with this theme? I know one that mentions the second coming of Our Lord, "O Jesus Christ Remember when Thou shalt come again". At my SSPX church, this was sung as the recessional, and a different hymn to Christ the King was sung as the processional. Nothing could have been more appropriate.

    If we want our criticisms of the Neo-SSPX to be taken seriously, as indeed they should be, then let us not destroy our credibility with this kind of petty criticism that really is not warranted. This very same hymn could well have been heard at our Resistance chapels.