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Offline Ekim

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Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2019, 07:27:19 PM »
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    • You silly Nadir, trying to deflect a very simple question by asking another question.  Ha!  That’s silly.

    You sound like such a wonderful and successful father.  I’m disappointed that with all of your success you can’t think of one practical tidbit...,from your OWN experience....that might help young father’s emulate your fatherly goodness.

    Nadir, surely you have some kind and practical advice to impart from your own experiences?  What do you attribute your success too...surely the Grace of God, that goes without saying, but what types of things did you do in your own family life to foster and propigate this saintly environment?

    St. Joseph, Pray for us.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #76 on: September 11, 2019, 08:18:46 PM »
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    • Jesus'  pedagogy included answering a question with a question. That was silly of him?

    By the way, I do not claim to have had success, nor did we raise our children to be traditional. We raised them to be Catholic in regular Catholic  parishes.

    I am not saintly, neither am I a father.

    You asked if anyone had raised muliple children to be faithful. My experience does not really match your 5 hard and fast conditions in answer to your questions. So far you have attacked Last Tradican, Viva and me. You seem to be here in ill will.

    If you want to know more about me you can consult my profile and  posting history.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #77 on: September 11, 2019, 08:44:58 PM »
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    • Nadir,

    I never asked to know more about you.  

    The point was, and is, that those who have never raised children in these times find it easy to cut, paste, and opine, on how they think it should be done.  They have NO CLUE the multitude of variables that affect and effect spiritual development...no matter how much you read a book no one can fully understand unless they have kids of your own.

    I would argue that “regular Catholic parishes” are not Catholic at all.  Most  have lost the faith. All are filled with blatant sacrilege, immodesty, questionable sacraments, if not totally invalid sacraments.  My question pertains to those who raised their children to be Traditional Catholic adults.  Obviously, this does not apply to you so you would be unable to answer the question.  Modern Catholicism is devoid of many of the challenges of Traditional Catholicism so you simply wouldn’t understand.  No sense on you even replying to my question.

    Pardon my confusion but you said you raised your children in the first paragraph but in the second you say you are not a father.  Again, you don’t have to clarify.  It really has nothing to do with my question.  The contradiction caught my attention, that’s all.

    I attack no one. I simply asked for experienced based advise from those “in the trenches” but instead everyone is quick to cut and paste internet content instead of providing their own anecdotal experience.

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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #78 on: September 12, 2019, 10:23:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on September 11, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
    The point was, and is, that those who have never raised children in these times find it easy to cut, paste, and opine, on how they think it should be done.  They have NO CLUE the multitude of variables that affect and effect spiritual development...no matter how much you read a book no one can fully understand unless they have kids of your own.
    It's a waste of time trying to help you because you are just a complainer, just taking up space. By your attitude, I have to assume that you are of bad will, that some or all of my small list of examples of how to LIVE the faith, go against your current practices:


    That you would let your wife dress in tight clothes and wear high heels and such, to attract men or to follow the fashions of the young
    You go to mass "for the sake of the children" or your parents
    You use birth control (NFP)
    You would allow your daughters to dress in tight clothes, shorts, jeans, high heels, one piece bathing suits, bikinis....
    You would let daughters to go out with boys unsupervised
    You would leave the religious education of your children to others
    You would send your daughters away to boarding school or college
    You would do any of the list above, "because Father said it was OK"



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    The bottom line is that the parents must truly LIVE the Faith, and by doing so they will teach their children to LIVE the faith. The problem is that scarcely any Catholics today truly LIVE the faith.

    When mothers dress in tight clothes and wear high heels and such, to attract men or to follow the fashions of the young, they are not LIVING the Faith
    When parents only go to mass "for the sake of the children", they are not living the Faith
    When parents use birth control, they are not living the faith.
    When parents leave the religious education of their children to others, they are not living the faith
    When parents allow their daughters to go out with boys unsupervised, they are not living the faith.
    When parents allow their daughters to dress provocatively to attract boys, (dress in tight clothes, shorts, jeans, high heels, bikinis) they are not LIVING the Faith
    When parents send their daughters away to boarding school or college, they are not living the faith.
    When parents allow their daughters to talk to their siblings and friends about the "crushes" they have, they are not living the faith.
    When parents do anything that goes against the Faith (the list above), because "Father said it was OK" , they are not living the faith.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #79 on: September 12, 2019, 10:33:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 11, 2019, 06:24:37 PM
    Tell us about your situation, Ekim.

    Do you have children and if so,  at what stage are they in their development.

    As for my answer being sophomoric, I have been there, done that.

    My children were raised in the faith of their fathers and they are faithful still today and their children are being raised Catholic.

    St Augustine was raised Catholic and turned manichean
    St Peter Martyr was raised manichean and rejected it for the true faith from his very infancy.

    Explain this to me and I will explain how my children are faithful still. I'll give you a clue.  Two words commence with G - sophomoric though you might believe it to be.

    Your arrogance is impressive!
    Dear Nadir,
    I mistakenly down thumbed your post above. Sorry about that.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #80 on: September 12, 2019, 10:33:40 AM »
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    • Last Tradhican: “The bottom line is that the parents must truly LIVE the Faith, and by doing so they will teach their children to LIVE the faith. The problem is that scarcely any Catholics today truly LIVE the faith.“
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #81 on: September 12, 2019, 12:18:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on September 11, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
    Nadir,


    Pardon my confusion but you said you raised your children in the first paragraph but in the second you say you are not a father.  Again, you don’t have to clarify.  It really has nothing to do with my question.  The contradiction caught my attention, that’s all.


    Based on the little pink gender symbol next to Nadir's name, I suspect that Nadir is a women and thus can truthfully say, as a mother, she both can raise children and not be a father. There is no contradiction there.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #82 on: September 12, 2019, 02:20:54 PM »
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    • Thanks Mr G, good observation.  My apologies.

    Last Trad, can you print a little larger and bolder, I still can’t hear you.

    Anyone else, I would still appreciate any real life , personal experiences you might be willing to share.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #83 on: September 12, 2019, 02:54:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on September 12, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
    Last Trad, can you print a little larger and bolder, I still can’t hear you.
    Your response just shows that you read nothing, that your mind is just in complaint mode. I didn't post that large print. 
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #84 on: September 12, 2019, 04:41:52 PM »
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    • Last Trad,

    I don’t believe I said you posted the large print.  

    Why did you assume that my comment was for someone else?

    I honestly don’t remember making a “complaint” but merely an observation.  

    Honestly, you really don’t need to reply at all because you have nothing to share regarding your own personal anecdotes on raising Traditional Catholic children.

    If there is anyone out there who does have some helpful words of wisdom from their own experiences, I truly would love to hear them...again, please no cut and paste, just real life experiences and advice....thanks
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #85 on: September 12, 2019, 05:22:09 PM »
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    • What would be the relationship between this thread and the "Nearly nobody should get married" thread? 

    I assume that, in general, one causes the other?
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #86 on: September 12, 2019, 05:52:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on September 12, 2019, 04:41:52 PM
    Honestly, you really don’t need to reply at all because you have nothing to share regarding your own personal anecdotes on raising Traditional Catholic children.
    There's nothing honest about your position, if you were honest, you would have come forward and defended your position that you disagree with some or all of my recommendations, instead of hiding behind empty complaints. Be a man and admit that:

    That you let your wife dress in tight clothes and wear high heels and such, to attract men or to follow the fashions of the young
    You go to mass "for the sake of the children" or your parents
    You use birth control (NFP)
    You would allow your daughters to dress in tight clothes, shorts, jeans, high heels, one piece bathing suits, bikinis....
    You would let daughters to go out with boys unsupervised
    You would leave the religious education of your children to others
    You would send your daughters away to boarding school or college
    You would do any of the list above, "because Father said it was OK"
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #87 on: September 12, 2019, 06:37:22 PM »
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    • Last Trad,

    Honestly, no offense but I wasn’t asking for a laundry list of what someone thinks should be done.  What I was asking for were anecdotal stories...stories...of challenges that a Traditional Catholic faced while successfully raising their children and how they overcame those challenges.


    Example:  I noticed a slow change in my daughter.  She was grumpy with everyone for weeks.  As her parents we just new something was wrong.  After a long talk we learned that now that she was a teenager she was tired of wearing the prairie style dresses.  We took her shopping and let her pick out what SHE wanted to wear.  Boy were we happy that we did.  She picked out beautiful skirts and blouses.  We felt so proud of her modest choices.  We learned that it wasn’t long dresses that she was protesting against but rather the style of the clothes.  She simply wanted the freedom to choose what she wore.  She wanted to be fashionable.  Had I continued to demand my daughter wear clothes that she no longer found attractive I could have driven a wedge between her and I as well as caused hard feelings towards going to church by making her dress in a style that made her feel uncomfortable. What great feeling when you see your kids making right choices all on their own.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #88 on: September 12, 2019, 07:04:11 PM »
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    • One more from a very good friend of mine.

    He was a Traditional Catholic (RIP).  He sent his kids to the local Novus Ordo Catholic School.  He taught them that when they go to NO Mass that they must kneel during the Consecration, avoid the “hand shake”, kneel for Communion and receiving Communion in the hand was a sacrilege.  They did exactly as he instructed.  In return the other kids made them feel uncomfortable.  He later found out that  the Priests and Nuns were telling them “Your dad means well but he’s just old fashioned and out of date”.  They even told them the Scapular was superstitious.  He didn’t learn this till they were grown and no longer following the faith.  He said the biggest mistake he made was sending his kids to a Catholic School.  He thought that in the 1970-80’s things were still reasonably safe.  Instead their faith was destroyed.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #89 on: September 13, 2019, 01:58:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on September 12, 2019, 06:37:22 PM
    Last Trad,

    Honestly, no offense but I wasn’t asking for a laundry list of what someone thinks should be done.  What I was asking for were anecdotal stories...stories...of challenges that a Traditional Catholic faced while successfully raising their children and how they overcame those challenges.
    "Honestly", with your attitude,  you are never going to get any answers from anyone. You listen to no one and insult any comments. Every word you write exudes that attitude, this is is just one example, but enough to eliminate the participation of 95% of the people with the experience you pretend to be looking for. If you wonder why only Viva and I respond to you, wonder no more, don't fool yourself, you are a drag.


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    Ekim wrote  5) If not, please keep your thoughts about how easy you think it is to raise devout traditional Catholic children to yourself.  You really have no clue.
    Nadir responded to you as one who has raised devout children to adulthood and parents and you insulted and dismissed her on your every response to her.. Do you think anyone is going to respond to you?
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