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Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2019, 11:38:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 10, 2019, 03:21:09 PM
    To those who have successfully raised Traditional Catholic children to adulthood, who continue to practice their faith reverently and devoutly, what is the “secret to your success?”

    It is no secret: the grace and mercy of God.

    St. Augustine said: Take action as if everything depended on you, but pray very much because everything depends on God. So, what you answered is correct, BUT, we must take action, and that is the question, what action to take in the raising of children so they continue the faith and save their souls?

    The bottom line is that the parents must truly LIVE the Faith, and by doing so they will teach their children to LIVE the faith. The problem is that scarcely any Catholics today truly LIVE the faith.

    When mothers dress in tight clothes and wear high heels and such, to attract men or to follow the fashions of the young, they are not LIVING the Faith
    When parents only go to mass "for the sake of the children", they are not living the Faith
    When parents use birth control, they are not living the faith.
    When parents leave the religious education of their children to others, they are not living the faith
    When parents allow their daughters to go out with boys unsupervised, they are not living the faith.
    When parents allow their daughters to dress provocatively to attract boys, (dress in tight clothes, shorts, jeans, high heels, bikinis) they are not LIVING the Faith
    When parents send their daughters away to boarding school or college, they are not living the faith.
    When parents allow their daughters to talk to their siblings and friends about the "crushes" they have, they are not living the faith.
    When parents do anything that goes against the Faith (the list above), because "Father said it was OK" , they are not living the faith.

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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #61 on: September 10, 2019, 11:52:41 PM »
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    It is no secret: the grace and mercy of God.
    God's Grace is actual grace, which everyone in the world receives, and Sanctifying Grace which is only received by Catholics in a state of Grace, no unconfessed sins.

    Do you think that a Catholic who follows God's Grace would carry out those bad actions I numbered above? Of course not, for they are actually rejecting God's Graces by taking those actions. They sold their birth right for a bowl of porridge ( fashions, leisure, incontinence, wealth, popularity, friends). Their children and those around them see the hypocrisy and reject the false faith they are taught by example. BY the way, a HUGE contributor to the loss of faith by their hypocrisy, is the clergy today, the fallen away Catholics rejecting the false faith they are taught by example, example from Bergolio all the way down to your local priests.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #62 on: September 11, 2019, 03:20:14 AM »
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    • LastTrad, my guess is that you have not successfully raised Traditional Catholic children to adulthood.

    You sound like a person quoting a manual on how to take a part and rebuild a dual clutch transmission but have never done it yourself.  While such information is true it is not backed by insightful experience.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #63 on: September 11, 2019, 06:03:00 AM »
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    • So Ekim what do you have to say about the subject? What is your insightful experience?  What are your suggestions?  Instead you criticize many posters.  





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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #64 on: September 11, 2019, 07:23:09 AM »
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    • Yes, it's a real problem. If I was a Priest responsible for ensuring about 100 children never leave the Faith, I would ensure all of them complete the Great Double Novena to the Twin Hearts together in their youth. I hope all Traditional Catholic parents will do the same.

    Jesus Christ promised to those who make it, "12. Those who make this Novena in the innocence of their Baptism (particularly the the children) will not offend My Heart by a grave fault until the time of their death." and if one receives the grace from God never to commit mortal sin again, by that very fact, one receives the grace never to leave the Faith. There's a special grace called being "confirmed in the Faith", and parents imho should make every effort that Traditional Catholic Children receive it from God in their youth as early as possible. https://sites.google.com/site/doublegreatnovena/the-33-promises It is just like the 9 Fridays of the Sacred Heart or the 5 Saturdays of the Immaculate Heart, but here it is 9 First Fridays and 9 First Saturdays to the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts together.

    Children should be encouraged to practice such things fervently from their youth before leaving home. Daily Family Rosary (15 decades if possible, or 5 decades at the least) in the home is a must, as Our Lady asked at Fatima. They should make use abundant use of Sacramentals also. Have them consecrate themselves to the Sacred Heart through the Immaculate Heart and wear the Scapular always, promising you never to remove it ever. Similarly, teaching children to pray at the very least the 3 Hail Mary's every day, morning and night, as very many Saints recommend, will keep away mortal sins, especially sins against purity, which are a critical reason the youth of today eventually end up losing Faith. the Saints also say sins against purity can eventually lead to sins against Faith.

    "Innumerable Fruits "Astonishing conversions, increase in virtues, cure of the sick, temptations conquered, business difficulties solved, holy death.and salvation." - the promise made by the Blessed Virgin to St. Mathilda.
    The "Three Hail Marys", are in the words of St Alphonsus Maria Liquori: "the best safeguard for chastity" This statement was recorded and attributed to St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori by St. Pius X; "that it is true, has been confirmed by our experiences as well as those of many missionaries"(according to Frassinetti). Even the number of graces and favors obtained through the practice of this devotion show us just how pleasing it is to the Blessed Virgin Mary." From: http://floscarmelivitisflorigera.blogspot.com/2008/10/devotion-of-three-hail-marys-history.html

    Instill in them a sound love for their Faith, for the Saints and Angels and a horror for the errors and abominations of the modern world, with its baby killing and its sodomy and other unnatural behaviours. That would give the best chance they persevere in Faith and morals.

    It is very true that the modern world is strong in promoting evil. The weapons of Grace we use therefore must be stronger in countering it.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #65 on: September 11, 2019, 08:39:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on September 11, 2019, 03:20:14 AM
    LastTrad, my guess is that you have not successfully raised Traditional Catholic children to adulthood.

    You sound like a person quoting a manual on how to take a part and rebuild a dual clutch transmission but have never done it yourself.  While such information is true it is not backed by insightful experience.
    Like I showed before, God can use a child or a Donkey to teach truth. In the above two quotes what have I written what exactly do you think "is not backed by insightful experience"?. I am in my 60's, and have many years of experience in the matter seeing all of those mistakes and had the privilege of seeing the few successes of others. My learning is mostly hands on, and the books have helped me to confirm my experiences. To use your analogy, like reading the manuals after I repaired the transmission.  My talking is hands on, not like books. 

    Why do you ask such empty questions and critiques? Be specific in your questions. Are you trying to learn or just to complain?

    By the way, my wife and I are the parents of over 5 children and all of them are raised as I describe. The parents that I emulate, that I learned from by experience, all have raised traditional Catholic children to adulthood and are now grandparents to traditional grandchildren.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #66 on: September 11, 2019, 11:18:21 AM »
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #67 on: September 11, 2019, 04:10:58 PM »
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    • Viva...

    What did I say that wasn’t true?

    Just looking for practical advice from people who have successfully raised Traditional Catholic children to adulthood.

    I’m still waiting....
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #68 on: September 11, 2019, 04:17:25 PM »
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    • Last Trad...

    No offense but you can raise your five just as you have said, but just because you raised them that way doesn’t mean they all grew up to be devout Traditional Catholics.

    The question has not changed...

    To those who have SUCCESSFULLY raised Traditional Catholic children to adulthood, what was your secret? If not why not?

    Simple question. Answer should be practical advice, in your own words, from your own experiences (not observations or cut and paste quotes from days gone by.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #69 on: September 11, 2019, 04:27:32 PM »
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    • Last Trad...

    You said my wife and I are parents to “over five children”.  What exactly does that mean?  Five and a half?  Five and two thirds?  Or perhaps six, or seven, or twenty two?  

    Most parents proudly say “I have six children”.  Just seems odd to say “over five”....just sayin’
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #70 on: September 11, 2019, 04:31:26 PM »
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    • Raising children is difficult.  It’s easy for people to sit around, point to statistics, and then blame and criticize why the numbers are so low.  Honestly, the reason for the low numbers is blatantly obvious...really.

    The question is, who has beat these odds and how? (Sorry, “the grace of God” is a pretty sophomoric answer).
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #71 on: September 11, 2019, 04:44:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on September 11, 2019, 04:31:26 PM
    Raising children is difficult.  It’s easy for people to sit around, point to statistics, and then blame and criticize why the numbers are so low.  Honestly, the reason for the low numbers is blatantly obvious...really.

    The question is, who has beat these odds and how? (Sorry, “the grace of God” is a pretty sophomoric answer).
    I'm sorry Ekim but you speak like a woman, no focus, just venting,  wanting people to sympathize with you. It's best that you look for a model family you can see and touch where you live.

    God Bless
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #72 on: September 11, 2019, 04:46:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on September 11, 2019, 04:27:32 PM
    Last Trad...

    You said my wife and I are parents to “over five children”.  What exactly does that mean?  Five and a half?  Five and two thirds?  Or perhaps six, or seven, or twenty two?  

    Most parents proudly say “I have six children”.  Just seems odd to say “over five”....just sayin’
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #73 on: September 11, 2019, 05:12:33 PM »
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    • Last trad. 

    Disappointed that a man of your experience can’t answer a simple question.  

    This is pretty much laser focused....let’s try again...I’ll try to simplify by braking it down to three parts...

    I know this is tough so take your time...

    1). Have your children all grown to adulthood and remained devout Traditional  Catholics?

    2). If so, what is the secret to your success...practical pointers based on your direct experience?

    3) If not, what is the major reason you attribute to their lack of faith.

    I certainly don’t expect a long essay, but a few practical pointers from your own experiences...

    I.e.  “We all knelt and prayed our family Rosary every night”

    Or

    “I wish we would have knelt and prayed our family Rosary every night”.

    Or “My son was naturally drawn to Holy things so we would foster that by going on Fater Son retreats”

    Or “No matter how much I tried, my son was never interested in religion.  He just wanted to play football. Maybe I should havecombined the two...went out and tossed around the ball after the family Rosary”.

    Surely a very successful Catholic Man in his senior years, must have at least a few points of practical advice.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #74 on: September 11, 2019, 06:24:37 PM »
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    • Tell us about your situation, Ekim.

    Do you have children and if so,  at what stage are they in their development.

    As for my answer being sophomoric, I have been there, done that.

    My children were raised in the faith of their fathers and they are faithful still today and their children are being raised Catholic.

    St Augustine was raised Catholic and turned manichean
    St Peter Martyr was raised manichean and rejected it for the true faith from his very infancy.

    Explain this to me and I will explain how my children are faithful still. I'll give you a clue.  Two words commence with G - sophomoric though you might believe it to be.

    Your arrogance is impressive!
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