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Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2019, 10:52:46 PM »
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  • I think many people are being distracted by the world and materialism.  Does the child really need 50 stuffed animals?  No.  Do I really need the swan knick knack in my kitchen?  No.  Maybe many of us have been materialistic and complacent in regards to sin.  Beautiful day today and what were many people in USA doing?  They were inside their homes or at bars watching football on a Sunday like addicts. Pews are empty and churches closed down but stadiums and concert venues were packed. 

    Nadir is right about the big bad outside world.  Can’t worry about.  But will be doing my best to avoid it. 

    I was seeing traditional Catholics including youth living double lives on face book which is disappointing.  I unfriended many and am off of face book temporarily.  



     It seems like things where we live are getting worse.  People are driving around in cars with huge witchcraft star thing on the back of the car windshield with demonic lettering.  I don’t understand why the police won’t make them remove it because it blocks vision while driving too.    Very scary. 



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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #46 on: September 08, 2019, 11:28:00 PM »
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  • At my sspx church you have two types of families, ones who send their children to the school and ones who don't.

    There are around 4 families who don't at the moment, almost all of them have true mary like modesty, the husbands wear suits at mass (except one), and their children are better behaved and seem smarter.  

    Then there are dozens of families who sends or sent their children to the school and almost zero are modest at all, I have heard their children talk about video games and movies etc.  And most of the older parents whose children are out of school only have one or two children at mass... now lets say for example one had 10 kids who are grown, 2 are at the church, one is a priest, where are the other 7?  Did they all move to other cities?  One family I know well had 4 kids at the school, 1 is no longer catholic, one dresses like a hippy and doesn't go to mass regularly, and one thinks he is gαy and doesn't go to mass. So from what I have seen I could totally see 40-80% of children educated at sspx schools leaving the faith.  

    The factors I think that cause this is the crises in the church is not taught well at all, the novus ordo church is not taught as evil, but as a little brother in need of help, you have mostly women in their early 20s teaching who are not well educated or smart while the pastor only teaches religion class, the evils of the outside world are not stressed nearly as much as they need to be, the parents send them to the school because they themselves are not super strident catholics 7 days a week and they don't teach there children anything extra because they think the school is wonderful.  And at the school it is stressed that they should go to college!  So all the bad factors above get flayed out when the go to college and then they become a novus ordo or a agnostic catholic, or confused and depressed.  


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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #47 on: September 08, 2019, 11:34:33 PM »
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  • I was seeing traditional Catholics including youth living double lives on face book which is disappointing.  I unfriended many and am off of face book temporarily.  

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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #48 on: September 09, 2019, 02:54:38 AM »
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  • Maybe we should be more concerned about the one to two percent who supports abortion, contraceptives and same sex marriage and are sitting in the pews among us.   And who knows maybe they are at the pulpit.    

    It is more than children leaving the faith.    
    Many families have stopped going to Church period.  Diocesan Mass sites have been discontinued.  Local SSPX , independent and diocesan Mass attendance has dropped.  Conservative Protestant church attendance has dropped.  Protestant Churches are closing too.  


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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #49 on: September 09, 2019, 06:32:16 AM »
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  • At my sspx church you have two types of families, ones who send their children to the school and ones who don't.

    There are around 4 families who don't at the moment, almost all of them have true mary like modesty, the husbands wear suits at mass (except one), and their children are better behaved and seem smarter.  

    Then there are dozens of families who sends or sent their children to the school and almost zero are modest at all, I have heard their children talk about video games and movies etc.  And most of the older parents whose children are out of school only have one or two children at mass... now lets say for example one had 10 kids who are grown, 2 are at the church, one is a priest, where are the other 7?  Did they all move to other cities?  One family I know well had 4 kids at the school, 1 is no longer catholic, one dresses like a hippy and doesn't go to mass regularly, and one thinks he is gαy and doesn't go to mass. So from what I have seen I could totally see 40-80% of children educated at sspx schools leaving the faith.  

    The factors I think that cause this is the crises in the church is not taught well at all, the novus ordo church is not taught as evil, but as a little brother in need of help, you have mostly women in their early 20s teaching who are not well educated or smart while the pastor only teaches religion class, the evils of the outside world are not stressed nearly as much as they need to be, the parents send them to the school because they themselves are not super strident catholics 7 days a week and they don't teach there children anything extra because they think the school is wonderful.  And at the school it is stressed that they should go to college!  So all the bad factors above get flayed out when the go to college and then they become a novus ordo or a agnostic catholic, or confused and depressed.  
    Ditto at my chapel. 
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #50 on: September 09, 2019, 06:42:14 AM »
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  • Then there are dozens of families who sends or sent their children to the school and almost zero are modest at all, I have heard their children talk about video games and movies etc.  ….

    The factors I think that cause this is the crises in the church is not taught well at all, the novus ordo church is not taught as evil, but as a little brother in need of help a place to avoid, the same as the Resistance, Sedes, and any other competitor for SSPX donations. You have mostly women in their early 20s (dressing the same as the bad students) teaching who are not well educated or smart while the pastor only teaches religion class, the evils of the outside world and how to deal with them are not never stressed nearly as much, modesty is never mentioned as they need to be . The parents send them to the school because they themselves are not super strident catholics 7 days a week and they don't teach their children anything extra because they think the school is wonderful.  And at the school it is stressed that they should be sent away to SSPX schools after 8th grade and later to college!  So all the bad factors above get flayed out when the go to college and then they become a novus ordo or a agnostic catholic, or confused and depressed.  
    I changed a few things as it applies to my chapel.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #51 on: September 09, 2019, 07:02:26 AM »
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  • There are three threads in the SSPX Resistance forum, all three are related, all three go together:

    Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    SSPX Pushing the Dialogue Masses (Again)
    SSPX Articles About Young Ladies Modesty

    The SSPX children are leaving the Faith, losing the Faith, because it is being Novus Ordo'ed out of them like it was in the 1965 when EVERYONE did the Latin Mass and sent their children to Catholic schools. The Dialogue mass is part of the Bugnini "we know better" changes that were just part of the slow boiling to the Novus Ordo and eventually 80% of Catholics leaving the Church (in France where they used the Dialogue Mass, less than 4% of Catholics go to mass, almost all women). The SSPX has not written one article in at least 10 years about modesty in dress and behavior for the young girls in their charge. In my chapel the girls brought up under this none guidance are just now reaching their late teens  and already three pregnancies of unwed girls and I estimate four more to come within the next 2 years. Mind you that's like an 80% pregnancy rate, as there are not that many girls that went to the chapel school.

    I blame the Prior and the priests for the pregnancies, less so than the parents, for these children and the parents were under their eye for years and they were NEVER ONCE told that something was wrong. NOT ONE sermon from the pulpit, no direction whatsoever!
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #52 on: September 09, 2019, 04:25:49 PM »
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  • Just curious:

    1) How many people posting on this forum have raised multiple children from cradle to ADULTHOOD in the past 20 years?

    2). If so, how many kids did you have?

    3). Have ALL of them grown to be devout, reverent, faithful Traditional Catholics?

    4) If so, are they continuing successfully to transmit the same faith to their children and to what degree, and what would you say was your “secret to success “?

    5) If not, please keep your thoughts about how easy you think it is to raise devout traditional Catholic children to yourself.  You really have no clue.


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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #53 on: September 09, 2019, 04:31:55 PM »
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  • The SSPX children are leaving the Faith, losing the Faith, because it is being Novus Ordo'ed out of them like it was in the 1965 when EVERYONE did the Latin Mass and sent their children to Catholic schools. ...

    If the above is true, is it equally applicable across the nations in which the SSPX is located?  Or just the U.S. (and maybe a few others)?  In other words, does this also occur in countries (where the SSPX is located) that are predominantly, or where a majority of the population at least identify as, Catholic?

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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #54 on: September 09, 2019, 05:49:20 PM »
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  • If the above is true, is it equally applicable across the nations in which the SSPX is located?  Or just the U.S. (and maybe a few others)?  In other words, does this also occur in countries (where the SSPX is located) that are predominantly, or where a majority of the population at least identify as, Catholic?
    I'm in the USA, so I can only speak for the USA, however, from what I have heard from Americans that have gone to France, the SSPX trads there are much more liberal than their American counterparts. I was told that 50% of the women do not wear a vail to mass, and their daily dress is no different than any other French, tight jeans, mini-skirts, shorts, bikinis etc. That is likely why the French SSPX priest here in the USA never mention modest dressing to Americans, because their standards, the way the French dress,  is much worse. 
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #55 on: September 09, 2019, 07:50:23 PM »
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  • Scotland is showing women in pants and no veils and they do not want to be encouraged to dress otherwise.  Very sad.  And we saw, after a Sunday low Mass, Benediction.  Half of the people left after Communion and never came back for Benediction!  Very, very sad. No lines to confession.  Easy in and out, no waiting. And 2 took wine with white gloves.  Hm?  What would be wrong to take a crumb, of the host?  They communicated wine only once in 3 weeks.  Go figure.


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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #56 on: September 10, 2019, 07:21:49 AM »
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  • Just curious:

    1) How many people posting on this forum have raised multiple children from cradle to ADULTHOOD in the past 20 years?

    2). If so, how many kids did you have?

    3). Have ALL of them grown to be devout, reverent, faithful Traditional Catholics?

    4) If so, are they continuing successfully to transmit the same faith to their children and to what degree, and what would you say was your “secret to success “?

    5) If not, please keep your thoughts about how easy you think it is to raise devout traditional Catholic children to yourself.  You really have no clue.

    Good advice is good advice, it can come from anyone, even a child, or a donkey (Balaam's Ass). Priests have no children, should we disregard their advice concerning the rearing of children for that? Of course not.



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    The great Doctor of the Church St. Augustine of Hippo spent over 30 years working on his treatise De Trinitate [about the Holy Trinity], endeavoring to conceive an intelligible explanation for the mystery of the Trinity.


    Augustine meets a boy on the beach
    He was walking by the seashore one day contemplating and trying to understand the mystery of the Holy Trinity when he saw a small boy running back and forth from the water to a spot on the seashore. The boy was using a sea shell to carry the water from the ocean and place it into a small hole in the sand.

     The Bishop of Hippo approached him and asked, “My boy, what are you doing?”

     “I am trying to bring all the sea into this hole,” the boy replied with a sweet smile.

     “But that is impossible, my dear child, the hole cannot contain all that water” said Augustine.

     The boy paused in his work, stood up, looked into the eyes of the Saint, and replied, “It is no more impossible than what you are trying to do – comprehend the immensity of the mystery of the Holy Trinity with your small intelligence.”

     The Saint was absorbed by such a keen response from that child, and turned his eyes from him for a short while. When he glanced down to ask him something else, the boy had vanished.

     Some say that it was an Angel sent by God to teach Augustine a lesson on pride in learning. Others affirm it was the Christ Child Himself who appeared to the Saint to remind him of the limits of human understanding before the great mysteries of our Faith.

     Through this story, the sea shell has become a symbol of St. Augustine and the study of theology.
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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #57 on: September 10, 2019, 03:08:39 PM »
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  • Last Trad...

    Much of what is on this thread is not advice but rather condemnation, finger pointing, and innuendos.

    Sound advice from people who have navigated these waters is always welcomed.  Mindless rants from people who have no clue what they’re talking about is not.

    The question remains...

    To those who have successfully raised Traditional Catholic children to adulthood, who continue to practice their faith reverently and devoutly, what is the “secret to your success?”

    (No need to reply if you do not match this criteria)

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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #58 on: September 10, 2019, 03:21:09 PM »
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  • To those who have successfully raised Traditional Catholic children to adulthood, who continue to practice their faith reverently and devoutly, what is the “secret to your success?”

    (No need to reply if you do not match this criteria)
    It is no secret: the grace and mercy of God.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Children of Traditional Catholics Leaving the Faith
    « Reply #59 on: September 10, 2019, 06:42:28 PM »
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    Much of what is on this thread is not advice but rather condemnation, finger pointing, and innuendos.
    What you say is empty, it says nothing, you'll have to quote all of those condemnations, finger pointing, and innuendos.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24