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Re: Deviant sexual behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2017, 12:28:08 AM »
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  • That is disturbing.

    The purpose of sending children to Catholic school is to educate them and lead them to Jesus.
    The purpose of the world is to lead them to Hell.

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    Re: Deviant sexual behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #46 on: September 13, 2017, 07:20:18 AM »
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  • I doubt very much this school would have existed had the Society not been given a large chunk of property in a highly prosperous area in the Home Counties outside London. It is stretched in finding staff to run the place when the UK district is now down to nine priests. Its future is in great doubt and the few million it would realise would be very welcome!

    At the end of the day religious schools will comply with the law and so-called Christians can always rely on rendering unto Caesar. There is no point in thinking staff will vigorously oppose progressive policy; their brief is to enable their charges to fit in with society in a comfortable way. And if this school positions itself high up the social scale, the demands of that class will have to be met. The preservation of the Society's interests will come before living the Christian life day after day. Abp. Lefebvre regarded his initiative as an experiment of tradition, perhaps realising that eventually the outside world could not be resisted by successors that were not as committed.  
    You may have the best insight on the SSPX UK district Wessex. It is consistent with your previous dire statements about them.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Deviant sexual behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #47 on: September 13, 2017, 10:11:08 AM »
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  • Does anyone think it is possible that the sspx has hired out its computer/internet apostolate to an outside company similar to how it hired a company to re brand it?  And, that this could be a mistake or even sabotage on their part?  I mean their website is quite high tech.  I think that is exactly what you do Matthew.  So, I guess you would be a good one to answer how easy/hard it would be to manage a website like theirs, and if it is reasonable.

    Matthew said the previous headmaster had no knowledge of this.  And, they took this one down again(don't forget, that is a good thing).  I am not at all at the point of thinking the sspx wants to embrace these teachings.  This sexual behavior stuff is not a two steps forward one steps back thing, it is way more and out of place.

    It is possible but I don't know how probable. Usually people only build onto your website what you ask them to. It could be that someone is messing with them, in which case you'd hope they fired that person/company the last time it happened, so the chances of it happening again with a new company would be incredibly small. Maybe this policy is so popular in the UK that it's automatically built into every school website and the SSPX just didn't take the time to read it all. But there again you have to ask why it has happened twice

    I agree with you and don't believe the SSPX wants to embrace these things either. (I can't speak for individual priests, I've been shocked to hear some of their advice in sexual matters before, so God only knows; but as a whole I do not believe they are there.) But it is possible that this is another attempt to fit in, given their desperate desire to be accepted and seen as mainstream lately. Having this posted in spite of disagreeing with it could have been rationalized in the same vein as many of the other changes. It's external, it's a necessity, it's a lesser evil than being closed, it's posted but isn't what is actually taught etc... I have no idea what they are thinking really. It'd be a lot easier to believe it was an oversight if it weren't reoccurring. 

    And good point, miserere nobis, removing the material online doesn't necessarily mean the policy itself has been removed.

    No wonder they are so hot under the collar to make sure we keep our heads down and don't look at what's happening in other parishes. Problem is, like the VII changes, what is happening in another parish is often what's coming your way in the next 5, 10, 20 years, so we do have to pay a certain amount of attention.

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    Re: Deviant sexual behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #48 on: September 14, 2017, 11:21:42 AM »
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  • John Brucciani is a despicable human being. Now he and his brother are getting close to Bishop Egan, according to a tweet from Egan's account: https://twitter.com/bishopegan?lang=en (from September 5). Brucciani the Younger will ruin the school before he's through. 

    By the way, even if the school were required to post such a document, Bruccani should have said so in a statement, and noted his strong opposition to having to post it. 

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    Re: Deviant sexual behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #49 on: September 14, 2017, 11:32:19 AM »
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  • John Brucciani is a despicable human being. Now he and his brother are getting close to Bishop Egan, according to a tweet from Egan's account: https://twitter.com/bishopegan?lang=en (from September 5). Brucciani the Younger will ruin the school before he's through.

    By the way, even if the school were required to post such a document, Bruccani should have said so in a statement, and noted his strong opposition to having to post it.
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    Re: Deviant sexual behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #50 on: September 14, 2017, 11:42:56 AM »
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  • And, they took this one down again (don't forget, that is a good thing).  I am not at all at the point of thinking the sspx wants to embrace these teachings.  This sexual behavior stuff is not a two steps forward one steps back thing, it is way more and out of place.
    They took the page down off their internet webpage, but is it still an official part of their hard-copy policy book?
    If they're just hiding the policy paper from their internet presence, I'm not at all sure it's "a good thing".  If this has been completely eliminated from the school's policy canon, then, yes, it's "a good thing".

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    Re: Deviant sexual behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #51 on: September 14, 2017, 12:08:56 PM »
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    Had a good meeting today with Fr Robert Brucciani of the FSSPX and his brother Fr John Brucciani, the new head of their school in Burghclere

    Reading the twitter comments, it's funny how after all the furor over the lifting of the "excommunications" years ago some people still think the society are schismatic.

    John Brucciani is a despicable human being. Now he and his brother are getting close to Bishop Egan, according to a tweet from Egan's account: https://twitter.com/bishopegan?lang=en (from September 5). Brucciani the Younger will ruin the school before he's through.
    I think that is a very harsh comment: despicable, deserving hatred and contempt. I'd be wary of saying that about a priest.

    They took the page down off their internet webpage, but is it still an official part of their hard-copy policy book?
    If they're just hiding the policy paper from their internet presence, I'm not at all sure it's "a good thing".  If this has been completely eliminated from the school's policy canon, then, yes, it's "a good thing".

    Hopefully there will be some clarification on all this soon.
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    Re: Deviant sexual behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #52 on: September 14, 2017, 12:15:17 PM »
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  • Reading the twitter comments, it's funny how after all the furor over the lifting of the "excommunications" years ago some people still think the society are schismatic.
    Sure, I mean it's not like they rebel against their hierarchs or anything.


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    Re: Deviant sexual behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #53 on: September 14, 2017, 06:54:08 PM »
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  • Cosy chats with the diocesan bishop may indicate the way things are going. And positioning oneself within the mainstream would certainly come with a requirement that the laws of the land would be adhered to willingly. SSPX priests are not crusaders and will learn from mainstream churchmen on how to do things. If the school remains a viable private fee-paying entity, I can see it in ten years being open to 'all faiths' catering to the particular needs of a privileged few. Catholic schools have for too long given an impression of holiness where very little has existed. There can be a huge gulf between the blackboard and the altar steps. They could be on different planets!

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    Filing?/Re: Deviant sexual behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #54 on: September 19, 2017, 01:30:25 PM »
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  • I'm not sure that by removing the material on line that means the policy itself has been removed.

    That uncertainty is entirely sensible.

    I can't claim knowledge of the bureaucratic environment of the U.K., but if it's similar enough to that of the the U.S.A., I'd expect that the legal form or matter that's actually required of each charity or school would be filing the policy with whatever government organization legally requires such a policy to exist.  If the government organization acknowledges--or would acknowledge if doubts were raised [†]--that the policy has been filed, then any means of publication, including accessibility on line would be legally optional.  So the presence or absence of such policy on line would not be a reliable or trustworthy evidence of whether it were still in effect at the charity or school in question.

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    Re: Deviant sexual behavior defended by SSPX school in the UK
    « Reply #55 on: September 19, 2017, 01:53:24 PM »
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  • tkgs - Agreed.  If they still have it in the fine print, then that is double worse.  And, I think it is likely something official like this would be in printed form.  
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