CHASTISEMENT COMING
Father Constant Louis Marie PEL (1876–1966) is not a name well-known among the souls gifted by God with a knowledge of how God is going to set today’s world straight, but for those who knew him he was a priest very close to God. Doctor in theology, seminary professor, founder of a convent for women and of a seminary for men, with a great devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, he was a personal friend of Padre Pio who said of him to some French pilgrims in San Giovanni Rotondo, “Why do you come to see me when you have so great a Saint in France?”
Fr Pel would spend nights on his feet in church with his forehead leaning against the Tabernacle, conversing with God in a permanent ecstasy. He died in a car accident just after Vatican II, but not before a seminarian, one of his spiritual sons, had been able to note down a prophecy of his, dating from 1945, concerning the chastisement which will strike France in particular. Here it is, quoted or abbreviated:—
“My son,” said Fr Pel, “know that with the sins of the world increasing in horror as this age wears on, great punishments from God will come down on the world and no continent will be spared by the Wrath of God. France being guilty of apostasy and denying its vocation will be severely chastised. East of a line stretching from Bordeaux in the south-west to Lille in the north-east, everything will be laid waste and set on fire by peoples invading from the east, and also by great flaming meteorites falling in a rain of fire upon all the earth and upon these regions especially. Revolution, war, epidemics, plagues, chemical poison gases, violent earthquakes and the re-awakening of France’s extinct volcanoes will destroy everything . .
“France to the west of that line will be less affected . . . because of the faith rooted in the Vendée and in Brittany . . . but any of God’s worst enemies seeking refuge there from the worldwide cataclysm will be found out, wherever they hide, and put to death by devils, because the Wrath of the Lord is just and holy. Thick darkness caused by the war, gigantic fires and fragments of burning stars falling for three days and nights will cause the sun to disappear, and only candles blessed on Candlemas (February 2) will give light in the hands of believers, but the godless will not see this miraculous light because they have darkness in their souls.
“In this way, my son, three quarters of mankind will be destroyed, and in certain parts of France survivors will have to go 60 miles to find another live human being . . . . Several nations will disappear off the face of the map . . . . A France thus purified will become the renewed “Eldest Daughter of the Church,” because all the Cains and Judases will have disappeared in this ‘Judgment upon the Nations’”. This Judgment is not yet the end of times, but so great is the punishment due to the sins of the nations that Our Lord told Fr Pel that the desolation at world’s end will be lesser.
Dear readers, what do we conclude? Let each of us strive with might and main, and with the help of the Catholic sacraments given to us by God for that purpose, to live in God’s grace and not in the state of sin, and let us make full use of the time he gives us between now and the Hour of his Justice to pray for the largest possible number of sinners to repent and save their souls for eternity when the Chastisement closes in. God, have mercy. Mary, help.
Kyrie eleison.
I wonder if this will happen in our lifetimes. It would be nice to live through it and see a reformed world afterwards.
Where can I find more information in English about Fr. Pel? I did a search but only came up with items in French. I have never heard of him before this EC.
Marsha
Why thumbs down an article by BW! Explain this?
Quote from: MattoI wonder if this will happen in our lifetimes. It would be nice to live through it and see a reformed world afterwards.
Perhaps having survived will have been nice, but going through it won't be "nice" at all!
I am reminded of my cat. She likes HAVING BEEN brushed, but she absolutely HATES
to BE brushed. Or going to the dentist -- it's great to have healthy teeth again, but
what it takes to GET there ain't such a picnic.
Remember Our Lady of Akita -- the living will envy the dead. That was given to Sr. Sasagawa just a few years after Fr. Pel (and Padre Pio) had died.
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953Why thumbs down an article by BW! Explain this?
Probably done by a crypto-modernist with fαɢɢօt tendencies, or a crypto-jew, trying to discredit a good post by using their cursed phalanges as a misleading indicator.
Is there any Scriptural basis for this 'Chastisement' and for the 'three days of darkness' that so many seem to be anticipating?
Here's a thought. It's all a decoy, a distraction. Trads will fail to recognise the rise of the Antichrist because they'll be saying - no, it can't be him, we haven't had the chastisement yet.
Adolphus,
If there is no scriptural basis for the chastisement, which I agree there isn't, then people are taking this concept entirely from mystics and visionaries.
This is worrying, especially now that Garabandal has been seriously called into doubt since Joey Lomangino died without regaining his eyesight.
I also noticed from a previous post, Adolphus, that you don't accept Akita. Neither do I.
It keeps coming into my mind that many Catholics, particularly Trads, might be distracted by all this talk of the coming 'Chastisement' and may be missing indications that, dare I say it, the path is being laid for the rise of the Antichrist.
I've just re-read Hippolytus, 'A Discourse on the End of the World'. Both St John Chrysostom and St John of Damascus write about the rise of the Antichrist and how to recognise him.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0504.htm
Perhaps I should start a new thread on this. Tomorrow, when I've had more time to think.
Quote from: Neil ObstatQuote from: MattoI wonder if this will happen in our lifetimes. It would be nice to live through it and see a reformed world afterwards.
Perhaps having survived will have been nice, but going through it won't be "nice" at all!
I am reminded of my cat. She likes HAVING BEEN brushed, but she absolutely HATES
to BE brushed. Or going to the dentist -- it's great to have healthy teeth again, but
what it takes to GET there ain't such a picnic.
Remember Our Lady of Akita -- the living will envy the dead. That was given to Sr. Sasagawa just a few years after Fr. Pel (and Padre Pio) had died.
I do not believe in those messages supposedly given by Most Holy Mary at Akita. I just cannot believe Our Lady could speak in future tense in 1973 when saying that the Church would be infiltrated. I cannot believe She had said nothing about the bastard mass already imposed few years earlier. I cannot believe She could have pointed to a modernist bishop as the superior to whom the seer had to obey and follow…
And on top of that, such revelations were approved by the modernist rome…
Quote from: awkwardcustomerIs there any Scriptural basis for this 'Chastisement' and for the 'three days of darkness' that so many seem to be anticipating?
Here's a thought. It's all a decoy, a distraction. Trads will fail to recognise the rise of the Antichrist because they'll be saying - no, it can't be him, we haven't had the chastisement yet.
I don't think there is any Scriptural basis for such chastisement.
Awkward customer, I think you are mistaken and Bishop Williamson is right. We are not yet in the age of the final AntiChrist. Among other things, it is the testimony of Scripture and the consensus of the Fathers that Jєωιѕн nation as a whole will repent of its perfidy and embrace the Catholic Faith before the end of the world.
There is also a solid Biblical and patristic case to be made for an Age of Peace, where the true Faith will illumine all nations, and the empire of Christ span the seven seas, which of course has been confirmed by numberless Saints, as well as by the Lord and His Mother in their apparitions, much before Akita.
What we are going through is like a crucifixion of the Church, and She will know a glorious resurrection, where the Gospel will then be preached to all nations.
Only after this the end will come, as the Lord said. Prophecies tell of an Angelic Shepherd and a Great Catholic Monarch. Mary, in just one example, spoke of our time in Her apparitions to Mother Mariana in 1634:
"At the end of the 19th century and into the 20th century, various heresies will be propagated in this land. … As these heresies spread and dominate, the precious light of Faith will be extinguished in souls by the almost total corruption of customs. During this period, there will be great physical and moral calamities, both public and private ... In order to free men from bondage to these heresies, those chosen by My Most Holy Son to effect the restoration will need great strength of will, constancy, valor and confidence in God. To test this faith and confidence of the just, there will be occasions where all will seem to be lost and paralyzed. This, then, will be the happy beginning of the complete restoration.”
There is also a solid Biblical and patristic case to be made for an Age of Peace, where the true Faith will illumine all nations .....
Quote from: awkwardcustomerIs there any Scriptural basis for this 'Chastisement' and for the 'three days of darkness' that so many seem to be anticipating?
Here's a thought. It's all a decoy, a distraction. Trads will fail to recognise the rise of the Antichrist because they'll be saying - no, it can't be him, we haven't had the chastisement yet.
I don't think there is any Scriptural basis for such chastisement.
Try reading the Apocalypse, first 19 chapters. It describes all the different chastisements we will have to endure and all that will be annihilated.
Chapter 20 tellls of satan being locked up for 1,000 years (time of peace) and then he will be loosed again.
Also read the gospel for the last Sunday after Pentecost Matt. 24:15-35
Miseremini said,Quote
Try reading the Apocalypse, first 19 chapters. It describes all the different chastisements we will have to endure and all that will be annihilated.
Chapter 20 tellls of satan being locked up for 1,000 years (time of peace) and then he will be loosed again.
Also read the gospel for the last Sunday after Pentecost Matt. 24:15-35
Do you really think I haven't read the Apocalypse and St Matthew's Gospel? Do you really think that?
As for your interpretation of Apocalypse, 20:1-5, here's what the online Douay-Rheims commentary says:
Bound him: The power of Satan has been very much limited by the passion of Christ: for a thousand years; that is, for the whole time of the New Testament; but especially from the time of the destruction of Babylon or pagan Rome, till the new efforts of Gog and Magog against the church, towards the end of the world. During which time the souls of the martyrs and saints live and reign with Christ in heaven, in the first resurrection, which is that of the soul to the life of glory; as the second resurrection will be that of the body, at the day of the general judgment.'
According to this, as I read it, Satan has already been bound for 1000 years, whereas you seem to be claiming that it is during the still to come, post-chastisement time of peace that Satan will be 'locked up'.
http://www.drbo.org/chapter/73020.htm
Adolphus,
If there is no scriptural basis for the chastisement, which I agree there isn't, then people are taking this concept entirely from mystics and visionaries. This is worrying, especially now that Garabandal has been seriously called into doubt since Joey Lomangino died without regaining his eyesight.
I also noticed from a previous post, Adolphus, that you don't accept Akita. Neither do I.
It keeps coming into my mind that many Catholics, particularly Trads, might be distracted by all this talk of the coming 'Chastisement' and may be missing indications that, dare I say it, the path is being laid for the rise of the Antichrist.
I've just re-read Hippolytus, 'A Discourse on the End of the World'. Both St John Chrysostom and St John of Damascus write about the rise of the Antichrist and how to recognise him.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0504.htm
Perhaps I should start a new thread on this. Tomorrow, when I've had more time to think.
Quote from: AdolphusQuote from: awkwardcustomerIs there any Scriptural basis for this 'Chastisement' and for the 'three days of darkness' that so many seem to be anticipating?
Here's a thought. It's all a decoy, a distraction. Trads will fail to recognise the rise of the Antichrist because they'll be saying - no, it can't be him, we haven't had the chastisement yet.
I don't think there is any Scriptural basis for such chastisement.
Try reading the Apocalypse, first 19 chapters. It describes all the different chastisements we will have to endure and all that will be annihilated.
Chapter 20 tellls of satan being locked up for 1,000 years (time of peace) and then he will be loosed again.
Also read the gospel for the last Sunday after Pentecost Matt. 24:15-35
You don't really know what Modernism is, then, because by your persistent rejection of Our Lady's warnings and the traditional interpretation of Scripture as applies to our times (which +W is very good at, usually) you exhibit Modernist tendencies yourself.
But since you don't recognize that, this non-recognition blinds you to understanding Modernism itself, and how it applies to YOU and those who think like you have shown here.
And on top of that, such revelations were approved by the modernist rome…
Modernism does not prevent the Holy See from being infallible under the proper conditions, nor does it make it unable to give proper approval to contemporary prophesy. There is nothing new about this. It's all over the Old Testament, for example. It even applies to Annas and Caiphas, who were the official High Priest(s) of that time, equivalent to what the Pope(s) is (/are) in our age.
Quote from: awkwardcustomerIs there any Scriptural basis for this 'Chastisement' and for the 'three days of darkness' that so many seem to be anticipating?
Here's a thought. It's all a decoy, a distraction. Trads will fail to recognise the rise of the Antichrist because they'll be saying - no, it can't be him, we haven't had the chastisement yet.
I don't think there is any Scriptural basis for such chastisement.
Quote from: Neil ObstatI don't reject Our Lady's warnings. I reject what they say Our Lady said when I know She could not say so.
You don't really know what Modernism is, then, because by your persistent rejection of Our Lady's warnings and the traditional interpretation of Scripture as applies to our times (which +W is very good at, usually) you exhibit Modernist tendencies yourself.Quote from: Neil ObstatThis just does not deserve to be answered.
But since you don't recognize that, this non-recognition blinds you to understanding Modernism itself, and how it applies to YOU and those who think like you have shown here.Quote from: AdolphusAnd on top of that, such revelations were approved by the modernist rome…Again, you're ignorant.
I already knew that and it was not necessary you [sic] to tell me so.Quote from: Neil ObstatSo you say. But, in my ignorance, I know modernism is the mother of all heresies, and that a true pope cannot be modernist.
Modernism does not prevent the Holy See from being infallible under the proper conditions, nor does it make it unable to give proper approval to contemporary prophesy. There is nothing new about this. It's all over the Old Testament, for example. It even applies to Annas and Caiphas, who were the official High Priest(s) of that time, equivalent to what the Pope(s) is (/are) in our age.
Quote from: awkwardcustomerIs there any Scriptural basis for this 'Chastisement' and for the 'three days of darkness' that so many seem to be anticipating?
Here's a thought. It's all a decoy, a distraction. Trads will fail to recognise the rise of the Antichrist because they'll be saying - no, it can't be him, we haven't had the chastisement yet.
Quote from: Neil ObstatI can see the moon, but I can't find a three dark days predicted in the Bible.
Here's a thought: the distraction itself could be a distraction; and THAT distraction from a distraction could be another distraction. Do you think the devil isn't capable of such intrigue? How shallow and superficial do you think he is?Quote from: AdolphusI don't think there is any Scriptural basis for such chastisement.
I see. I knew a man who could look at the full moon and say, "Moon? What moon? I don't see any moon."
You can't have any conversation with such a one.
Akita, in 1973:
«The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see Cardinals opposing Cardinals, Bishops against other Bishops. The priests who venerate Me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests). Churches and altars will be sacked. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises, and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.»
Not a word regarding the bastard mass? Not a word about the infamous vatican ii? [sic]
The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church: hey, didn't this happen long before 1973? Why would Our Lady say "will infiltrate" when it was completely [So -- it hasn't gotten any worse since then, eh?] infiltrated? To deceive us making us to believe the Church is not yet infiltrated?
In a talk titled "The Seven Ages of the Church," available online, Bishop Williamson explains that we are now in the sixth age, which is like a dress rehersal for the seventh age.
We are now in a time of chastisement, first spiritual and then physical, which will include another prototype of the antichrist (like Nero and Hitler were prototypes). After the desolation of the physical chastisement, we will have the era of peace promised by Our Lady at Fatima. And then will be the seventh age of the Church.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ0d55C69dE
Adolphus, the text of the 2nd part of the Secret of Fatima does refer to a 'period of peace'.
...... If My requests are heeded, Russia will be converted and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions against the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated. In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.
http://www.fatima.org/essentials/message/tspart2.asp
But now I am going to ask something that could be construed as almost heretical in Traditional circles - why should we take Sr Lucia's words as gospel? Why? How do we know that these are the words of Our Lady of Fatima? The answer is - we don't.
Something has bothered me about the whole Fatima business for a while. Why did Sr Lucia remain in a Novus Ordo convent? Traditionalists will say that she was bound by obedience. If that is the answer, why don't Trads follow her example and attend the Novus Ordo too? After all, if Our Lady of Fatima really did entrust the Secrets to Sr Lucia - who attended the Novus Ordo Mass - then what was good for Sr Lucia should be good for the rest of us.
Meanwhile, the SSPX, the Resistance, the Sedevacantists, are all united in condemning the Novus Ordo Mass, the very Mass which Sr Lucia, the seer of Fatima attended. Sr Lucia's words are taken as gospel and yet she was a Novus Ordo Mass attender. There is a contradiction at the heart of this affair, since the various Trad groups write off Novus Ordites as being practically heretical. Does that include Sr Lucia? If not, why not? Ridiculous theories of a fake Sr Lucia are little more than a failed attempt to explain this contradiction.
I am always hearing Trads of my acquaintance say things like - "Our Lord told Sr Lucia this" and "Our Lady told Sr Lucia that". But how do they know? The answer is - they don't.
Pope Francis has called for an Extraordinary Synod of Bishops that will be held from October 5-18th, 2014 at the Vatican. The synod will reflect on the theme “The Pastoral Challenges of the Family in the Context of the Evangelization.”
There has been alarm in conservative and traditionalist circles about this. I have even seen an online petition to stop this synod. Yesterday, Atila Guimaraes of TIA put out a commentary on it. (Francis' guidelines for the Synod: http://traditioninaction.org/bev/171bev09_29_2014.htm). Bishop Sanborn and associates have dubbed it a "Sin-od". I'm not aware that Bp Fellay has said anything about it, but has Bp Williamson? What's going on?
Quote from: FranciscoPope Francis has called for an Extraordinary Synod of Bishops that will be held from October 5-18th, 2014 at the Vatican. The synod will reflect on the theme “The Pastoral Challenges of the Family in the Context of the Evangelization.”
There has been alarm in conservative and traditionalist circles about this. I have even seen an online petition to stop this synod. Yesterday, Atila Guimaraes of TIA put out a commentary on it. (Francis' guidelines for the Synod: http://traditioninaction.org/bev/171bev09_29_2014.htm). Bishop Sanborn and associates have dubbed it a "Sin-od". I'm not aware that Bp Fellay has said anything about it, but has Bp Williamson? What's going on?
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Certainly almost every traditionalist believes in the messages given at Fatima. Certainly they are not dogmatic and we should always keep in mind that the Church's approval of the messages does not mean we have to believe in them. Church's approval mean there is nothing against the faith and that the apparitions seem to be supernatural. Nothing else.
This is yet another case of sedevacantists agreeing with the liberals that the Church is not bound by Our Lady's words. Our Lady clearly said the conversion of Russia cannot come unless the Holy Father, with the Bishops, consecrates Russia to Her. Of course sedevacantists cannot fit this into their lens, so they do not believe it,
Dear Myrna, I consider the error that says we are not in any way bound by private revelation to be a grave mistake, especially in our times. Sedevacantism aside, do you think the king of France could have disobeyed what the Sacred Heart commanded him to do, on the claim it was "private revelation"? The French Revolution was what Our Lord said it would happen 100 years before it did.
Serious men seek the will of God in all things, and when God has manifested His will so clearly, and in this case, with a public miracle, it would be wrong to disobey. "Make it known to My ministers that given they follow the example of the king of France, they will follow him into misfortune." Sedevacantism is largely irrelevant to all this, what is more important is the denial of the Reign of Mary to come, and the only means by which that can be effected, which is what I addressed.
Now as for sedevacantism, you know, dear Myrna, that I don't agree with that theory. But I don't have to rely on private revelation to know that the 50+ year interrregnum sedevacantists think we currently are in cannot be right, that I think all Catholics can know by their Faith. Vatican I teaches it plainly in two places, where it says it is de fide that Peter will have perpetual successors in the primacy, and de fide that there will always be bishops in the Church who were sent just as the Apostles were sent, which means with a canonical mission from Christ and through Peter. Where are these bishops if we have had no Pope since Pius XII? By the way, these bishops and these bishops alone could call the necessary council that would have to declare the matter juridically, before the Cardinals, or the Roman clergy alone, could elect a new Pope. That is how Petrine succession is continued, uniquely perpetuated in the Roman Church, and is inseparable from the formal Apostolic succession, so that the one cannot be continued without the other.
Vatican I teaches it plainly in two places, where it says it is de fide that Peter will have perpetual successors in the primacy, and de fide that there will always be bishops in the Church who were sent just as the Apostles were sent, which means with a canonical mission from Christ and through Peter.
Haha. Is it pride to believe a teaching of the Church in the same sense in which it was always believed? I'm sorry, Myrna, but I don't agree a 50+ year interregnum is compatible with that canon. We will agree to disagree.
I did not say you don't believe in private revelation, and I'm sure you sincerely believe you are right. But even beside the doctrine that I believe rules out the possibility of the extended sedevacantist position being correct, even practically it leads to a stalemate.
That's why we prefer to resist the Pope when he errs or when he sins, as Tradition says we can and must do. Suarez, "If the Pope commands something that is manifestly false, it will be lawful to disobey him." By refusing to acquiesce to his immoral deeds and keeping up the pressure on him to convert, we are serving the cause of the Church. If he converts, Christendom is saved. If he doesn't convert, but some members of the hierarchy do, then they can denounce him. And if he continues obstinate after that, then, not by private individuals, but by the bishops and Cardinals, he can be declared as a heretic. Both practically and doctrinally, such an approach seems to me more sound than the sedevacantist one.
Also, I don't agree that private individuals ever have the objective right on their own initiative to drop from the canon the name of the person universally recognized as Pope. They must complain to the bishops and Cardinals, who are the only judges in this matter, and ask the Church to make the required judgment first. It cannot happen that there are no Bishops, also it cannot happen that there are no Roman clergy, which most modern sedevacantists think has happened. That is false and impossible, the Faith requires us to hold that. St. Robert taught it, as did countless Fathers, Saints and Doctors, Pope Sixtus IV condemned the contrary. So how can we doubt this, and then say we are having faith in God by doubting this truth which God has told us to believe?
That being said, I have no doubt you are a good Catholic, trying to lead a good Catholic life, and holding to the Faith as you were taught it and understand it. May God bless you.
Our Lady clearly said the conversion of Russia cannot come unless the Holy Father, with the Bishops, consecrates Russia to Her.
That's why we prefer to resist the Pope when he errs
universally recognized as Pope
Despite an attempt to cast doubt on the sacred words of the Queen of Prophets - repeated not merely in Fatima, but in countless apparitions before and since, as already docuмented here - the truth is not even the most educated men in Europe could have told the three children of Fatima the great and disastrous revolution that was being prepared in Russia and in time would overwhelm all the world, exactly as Our Lady said it would.
That seems excessively technical. Communism came to power in Russia and the vast majority of people therefore associate the two.
We who hold firm with Fatima believe in the word of Our Lady, however as you point out, are we really getting the words of Our Lady. Someone else is telling us what Lucy said, and could it be possible that this someone else is either exaggerating, mistaken or twisting words.
"..... there is video evidence (which could have been manipulated, but again, the one who did it would have been brilliant to manipulate it the way he did).
Manipulation of focus:
The light will bokeh out if you play with the camera focus. The problem is, everything else stayed in focus while the light change.
Manipulation of Aperture:
Aperture changes the light that goes into the camera. The higher the aperture, the less light comes in, the more focused your shot would be. The lower the aperture, the more light comes in and the more blury your shots would be. Again the problem with this is the camera stays focused.
Manipulation of angle:
Yes, the camera was moving, but the refraction of light that goes into a lens is not as extreme as what was shown on the footage. The simple changing of angle would have a considerable effect, but the change the amount of light the sun gave should also not have affected the surrounding areas as the natural auto light balancing of a camera will not compensate that much that quickly from an angle.
Quote from: AdolphusAkita, in 1973:
«The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see Cardinals opposing Cardinals, Bishops against other Bishops. The priests who venerate Me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests). Churches and altars will be sacked. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises, and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.»
Not a word regarding the bastard mass? Not a word about the infamous vatican ii? [sic]
The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church: hey, didn't this happen long before 1973? Why would Our Lady say "will infiltrate" when it was completely [So -- it hasn't gotten any worse since then, eh?] infiltrated? To deceive us making us to believe the Church is not yet infiltrated?
If this is the level of your comprehension, I don't think there is any hope in trying to show you what you're missing, because (like the guy who says "Moon? What moon?") you just don't want to know.
Your choice.
Personally, I think if sedevacantism leads someone to start doubting the truth not only of Fatima but even of the other earlier and approved Marian apparitions, that in and of itself would be a good reason to start doubting sedevacantism. But that's just me.
Wherefore all shall walk after their own will. And the children will lay hands on their parents. The wife will give up her own husband to death, and the husband will bring his own wife to judgment like a criminal. Masters will lord it over their servants savagely, and servants will assume an unruly demeanour toward their masters. None will reverence the grey hairs of the elderly, and none will have pity upon the comeliness of the youthful. The temples of God will be like houses, and there will be overturnings of the churches everywhere.The Scriptures will be despised, and everywhere they will sing the songs of the adversary. Fornications, and adulteries, and perjuries will fill the land; sorceries, and incantations, and divinations will follow after I these with all force and zeal. And, on the whole, from among those who profess to be Christians will rise up then false prophets, false apostles, impostors, mischief-makers, evil-doers, liars against each other, adulterers, fornicators, robbers, grasping, perjured, mendacious, hating each other. The shepherds will be like wolves; the priests will embrace falsehood; the monks will lust after the things of the world; the rich will assume hardness of heart; the rulers will not help the poor; the powerful will cast off all pity; the judges will remove justice from the just, and, blinded with bribes, they will call in unrighteousness.
And he did great signs, so that he made also fire to come down from heaven unto the earth in the sight of men. And he seduced them that dwell on the earth, for the signs, which were given him to do in the sight of the beast.....
Dear Myrna, we will come back to sedevacantism in a minute, but before that, please do tell me, because I am not sure, what precisely does the CMRI at Mt. St. Michael teach about the conversion of Russia and the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary? I mean their exact position. For example, that, Yes, it will certainly come, or that, No, we are already in the time of the last AntiChrist, or otherwise, something else altogether, like, Impossible to say for sure?
Quote from: NishantDear Myrna, we will come back to sedevacantism in a minute, but before that, please do tell me, because I am not sure, what precisely does the CMRI at Mt. St. Michael teach about the conversion of Russia and the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary? I mean their exact position. For example, that, Yes, it will certainly come, or that, No, we are already in the time of the last AntiChrist, or otherwise, something else altogether, like, Impossible to say for sure?
Their position is as the Church has always taught since the Fatima event, In the end her Immaulate Heart will reign, CMRI does not go around saying when or how this will happen, we know it will happen. We don't doubt God, as you do, Nishant, meaning... gee whiz we have no authority so God must have failed, or maybe the authority we are left with is what we deserve, a Protestant hierarchical system; better than nothing.
Answer me, why does SSPX "hierarchy" want so much to be a part of the ConciLIAR church? When we are called to leave the harlot, the prostitute who has intercourse with everyone, ecuмenical participation in other words; interfaith.
CMRI believes nothing is impossible with God. We don't sit around and wring our hands and worry about events we have no control over, all we want to do is KEEP THE FAITH.
Starting this week, Wed. is the start of the FATIMA conference, if we are told anything of great importance regarding the reign of Mary, I'll let you know, however CMRI is not in the business of making prophecies, like most faithful, everyone and I mean everyone lay people included, might have an opinion but nothing will ever be stated as a definite from the pulpit.