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Offline AMDGJMJ

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Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
« Reply #90 on: August 10, 2024, 05:50:28 AM »
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  • Thuc certainly was not sede before 1977, proof is in the pudding, is there proof he was sede between 77 and 1981?
    As far as I know, you will find no proof of his being a sede before 1982.  But, does it matter whether he was a sede before that?  Being faithful to God and the True Faith is more important than a label of "sede" or "non sede".  Until a future good pope sets things right, we must do the best we can to Keep the Faith.
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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #91 on: August 10, 2024, 06:02:00 AM »
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  • Archbishop Lefebvre had to deal with the muslims in Africa, then he had to deal with a modernist authority, had the strength of Faith to do it, didn't judge them and walk away, he judged what they said, analyzed it, and warned us about it. He did something!!
    Have you ever heard of King Kigeli of Rwanda?  He was the last reigning traditional Catholic King (as far as I am aware) in the world.  He was overthrown and exiled to the U.S.  He and Archbishop Thuc had similar lives.

    Both of them solid tradition Catholics. 

     Both were high powers in their country.

    Both were exiled from their home countries.

    Both spent many years writing to and trying to guide the people in their country from afar.

    Both had to watch their countries be torn apart by revolutions and their friends and family members slaughtered.

    Both died in exile surrounded by few friends.

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    King Kigeli went to our traditional chapel if Saint Athansius with Father Ringrose until the day he died.  I directed his Requiem Mass.  May he rest in peace.

    I have no written sources for you, but I believe Archbishop Thuc was very busy during his "non-public" years corresponding with those who remainded faithful Catholic Vietnamese.  I know a traditional Catholic Vietnamese lady whose family barely made it out of Vietnam before being slaughtered.  She has a deep and profound respect for Archbishop Thuc.
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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #92 on: August 10, 2024, 10:09:29 AM »
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  • …King Kigeli went to our traditional chapel if Saint Athansius with Father Ringrose until the day he died.  I directed his Requiem Mass.  May he rest in peace.

    I have no written sources for you, but I believe Archbishop Thuc was very busy during his "non-public" years corresponding with those who remainded faithful Catholic Vietnamese.  I know a traditional Catholic Vietnamese lady whose family barely made it out of Vietnam before being slaughtered.  She has a deep and profound respect for Archbishop Thuc.
    ^^^^ This and this:


    Truly!

    And the corollary questions…

    Who the hell is Infirmus to sit as Judge on Abp. Thuc???

    What the hell has Infirmus done that qualifies him to pass sentence on the worth of Abp. Thuc???

    Infirmus's proud arrogance and usurpation is astounding.

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    Re: WHAT DID HIS EXCELLENCY THUC DO BETWEEN
    « Reply #93 on: August 10, 2024, 10:45:30 AM »
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  • I do not object to sedes and I don't object to R&R. I was "on the fence" as an "agnostic" on the matter of sedevacantism for decades. before I finally decided for myself what I believed. Because it took me so long to make a decision, I am well aware that there are arguments and theologians in favor of and opposed to sedevacantism.

    I do object to anyone and everyone, Meg and Infirmus included, who have no jurisdiction and no competence to have a binding and/or dogmatic opinion on sedevacantism, yet rage (Meg) or slither about (Infirmus) as though they have a dispositive opinion.

    I do object to anyone and everyone, Meg especially, who act as though they have access to the interior forum of others. Comments claiming knowledge of "the real reason" of others feigns access to the interior forum of others. Comments claiming knowledge of "the real life" or "bravery" of others feigns remote viewing access to the lives of others.

    I do object to anyone and everyone, Infirmus especially, who sets themselves up as judges of heroic Catholics and "white martyrs" such as Abp. Thuc. Neither Infirmus nor anyone else here has a papal commission to investigate Abp. Thuc. After his initial trolling was outed, Infirmus has feigned a facade of dispassionate scholarly investigation—but that is a fraud.

    An honest curiosity would have started with a stated recognition that the public record cannot be complete, cannot account for private prayer, cannot account for private works of mercy, cannot account for age and illness, and cannot account for Catholic Action that of necessity required anonymity.

    The Vietnamese who suffered greatly in both bloody and "white" martyrdom fully understand that making a public record of such works of mercy would have doomed the earthly lives of the Vietnamese Abp. Thuc helped. One need not be Vietnamese, one need not have been white martyred themselves, to recognize that making a public record of Catholic Action would have imperiled those who lived and still live under the bloody thumb of Vietnamese (and other) Communism. As recently as a year ago, Vietnamese friends reported to me that Catholics were being pulled from Mass and killed by having boiling water poured down their throats.

    Only a wicked and arrogant fool would attempt to judge Abp. Thuc without recognizing that the public record is, of necessity, incomplete.  Yes, that is an accusation. I accuse Infirmus of being a wicked and arrogant fool.