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Offline TraditionalistThomas

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Challenge to Ignis Ardens Fellayites - Come on in, the water-s fine!
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2012, 04:11:16 AM »
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  •  :roll-laugh2: :roll-laugh2: :roll-laugh2:

    @ This thread.

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    « Reply #31 on: August 23, 2012, 10:52:39 AM »
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  • Fellayites apparently don't engage in reasoned conversation, since they're unreasonable.  :roll-laugh2:
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    « Reply #32 on: August 23, 2012, 12:23:14 PM »
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  • http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10598&st=50
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    Meanwhile, back to the subject...

    Very few people I know are pro-agreement with Rome. To my mind the two sides to the debate are:

    "I fear Bishop Fellay is going to do a deal" on the one side and, on the other:

    "I have no such fears"

    I have no fear that Bishop Fellay is going to sell out, its just not going to happen. What I do fear is that the ranters and ravers who have launched uncharitable attacks on His Lordship, are doing the work of the Vatican without the need for a deal.

    To prevent further outrages I suggest that Ignis Ardens shuts down for the rest of the year to allow for serious contemplation of the scandal it has caused.


    Whilst I agree with 'Joe Sixpack' in relation to very few being pro-agreement, I disagree with closing down Ignis Ardens or it having caused scandal. In my experience those in SSPX circles who are pro-agreement are from an Indult background. There are exceptions of course. Many of these would be happy also attending FSSP or Institute Christ the King but have to save face in SSPX chapels. Naive types who believe Benedict XVI is a friend or believe says the old Mass on the quiet. The usual dose of rubbish.

    There is no doubt Bishop Fellay and others are keeping the door open to Rome.The aim of the Vatican is to change the thinking of Traditional Catholics and lure them in to their trap.

    It's not necessary to attack Bishop Fellay. Just look at his CNS interview, the lovely propaganda from Fr Rostand etc etc. Their own words show they are weaselling around.Bishop Fellay will make a deal. That is reality.He has got more resistance than he expected and thank God for that.

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    « Reply #33 on: August 23, 2012, 12:33:54 PM »
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  • I think he feels pushed-externally and internally, to make the deal.....he is getting some push-back and that is good....perhaps, might make his mind change or clear up any long simmering   :fryingpan: :argue:  witin the SSPX household.....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #34 on: August 24, 2012, 01:14:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Fellayites apparently don't engage in reasoned conversation, since they're unreasonable.  :roll-laugh2:


    Oh, yes we do. Sometimes we just give up because you have nothing reasonable to argue with. Bitterness, gossip and slander prevail. How very Catholic!


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    « Reply #35 on: August 24, 2012, 05:31:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Fellayites apparently don't engage in reasoned conversation, since they're unreasonable.  :roll-laugh2:

    Er..... What's a Fellayite?

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    « Reply #36 on: August 24, 2012, 09:16:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: TraditionalistThomas
    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Fellayites apparently don't engage in reasoned conversation, since they're unreasonable.  :roll-laugh2:


    Oh, yes we do. Sometimes we just give up because you have nothing reasonable to argue with. Bitterness, gossip and slander prevail. How very Catholic!


    I just love it when a compromiser uses that ploy...anyone who is concerned about being immersed in the modern church is called "bitter" and guilty of "gossip" or "slander"....any criticism of Menzingen and Fellay has not materialized out of thin air, the facts are there...but the heads in the sands are quite happy...as long as they have the stage set, that will do.

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    « Reply #37 on: August 24, 2012, 09:53:37 AM »
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  • Quote from: oldavid
    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Fellayites apparently don't engage in reasoned conversation, since they're unreasonable.  :roll-laugh2:

    Er..... What's a Fellayite?


    A Fellayite is someone who..

    1. believes the pope isn't a master mind when it comes to annihilate traditional groups,

    2. that the SSPX is the "savior of the Church" instead of Our Lady,

    3. that Bp. Williamson is a wacko and deserves to be silenced

    4. that 95% of the Council is just fine, hoping one day Vatican II will be part of the Tradition of the Church

    5. that Religious Liberty is very very very limited,

    6. that a zionist as sspx's financial gambler is acceptable,

    7. that the horrible Novus Ordo sermons we've been getting is part of "prudence"

    8. or that everyone who dare show any OBVIOUS deviation is to be called a sedevacantist/schismatic/sectarian/etc.

    9. also they are known to have allergic reactions when they hear the words Pffeifer or Chazal

    10. and last but not least to think the conditions approved by the GC aren't suicidal.


    I have probably failed to point out other characteristics of a Fellayite but I would say that is a good little synthesis of it; and if you believe in at least two of those points you should be able to claim your "Fellayite Badge" with Fr. Rostand on the Judas Department.
    Non Habemus Papam


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    « Reply #38 on: August 24, 2012, 01:12:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: AntiFellayism
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    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Fellayites apparently don't engage in reasoned conversation, since they're unreasonable.  :roll-laugh2:

    Er..... What's a Fellayite?


    A Fellayite is someone who..

    1. believes the pope isn't a master mind when it comes to annihilate traditional groups,

    2. that the SSPX is the "savior of the Church" instead of Our Lady,

    3. that Bp. Williamson is a wacko and deserves to be silenced

    4. that 95% of the Council is just fine, hoping one day Vatican II will be part of the Tradition of the Church

    5. that Religious Liberty is very very very limited,

    6. that a zionist as sspx's financial gambler is acceptable,

    7. that the horrible Novus Ordo sermons we've been getting is part of "prudence"

    8. or that everyone who dare show any OBVIOUS deviation is to be called a sedevacantist/schismatic/sectarian/etc.

    9. also they are known to have allergic reactions when they hear the words Pffeifer or Chazal

    10. and last but not least to think the conditions approved by the GC aren't suicidal.


    I have probably failed to point out other characteristics of a Fellayite but I would say that is a good little synthesis of it; and if you believe in at least two of those points you should be able to claim your "Fellayite Badge" with Fr. Rostand on the Judas Department.


    Well, it's certainly a good start, anyway! Good work!





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    Fellayites apparently don't engage in reasoned conversation, since they're unreasonable.  :roll-laugh2:


    Oh, yes we do. Sometimes we just give up because you have nothing reasonable to argue with. Bitterness, gossip and slander prevail. How very Catholic!



    Fellayites give up when they have no reasonable explanation for their conspicuous
    defense of the indefensible.

    Bitterness? Bishop Fellay is observed acting like a traitor, and when we notice the
    fact instead of rendering typically Fellayite adulation, that's bitterness? Gossip? We
    are not supposed to take notice of his departure from the principles of ABL as
    handed down from Catholic Tradition, and when we do notice, it's "gossip?"
    Slander? You ought to look up the term because maybe you're confused. Try
    looking up the word, "fact," while you're at it. That might come in useful.

    Fellayites are acting toward +Fellay a bit like the Mormons act toward their false
    religion and their long-gone founder, Joseph Smith, for they persist at defending
    its blatant lies about history, inasmuch as Smith showed up with a fantasy about
    early American history that is nowhere supported by any evidence, but is only
    proclaimed in his words. Of course, in his case, he claims his words are "God's
    words," even while the first Book of Mormon showed Smith as the author.

    If it were not for the fact that postConciliar Rome is already a megolith in it's own
    right, Fellayism could well be on it's way to becoming another spinoff cult. This is
    due to how its followers disengage their intellect and kowtow to whatever drivel
    their current spokesman doles out to them. But as it is, it would simply be
    swallowed up by the Beast -- after +Fellay signs the "papers," that is.

    Bishop Fellay contradicts himself, and Fellayites swallow it hook, line and sinker.
    The "truth" is whatever the latest version of his "reality" is, regardless of his own
    record. When he attempts to back-track and claim he was "taken out of context,"  
    or "misunderstood," the Fellayites bob their heads in agreement, like the Muppets.
    (Or, like the Mormons!)



    How about taking some examples? Will the Fellayites like to talk specifics, or are
    they bent on hurling epithets and sweeping statements?

    In his infamous interview in Menzingen, +Fellay allowed CNS to bring in their own
    equipment and do their own recording for an hour (give or take), but +Fellay did
    not make his own tape. What manner of wisdom can explain that blunder? Why
    would he have foreigners control such an important interview and its contents?
    Was he bowing to the demands of his boss, whoever that is? There he was, holed
    up in his palace, unwilling to answer questions from his fellow 3 bishops or any of
    his hundreds of priests, acting like a recluse, and yet he seemed to bow and
    scrape to the demands of a reporting crew from outside the SSPX. What is the
    Fellayite explanation for this odd behavior?

    +Fellay's reaction to the tsunami of questions has been a sheepish
    embarrassment as if he was caught with his hand in the cookie jar! It has all the
    appearance of him knowing that he blundered, but that he's afraid of admitting it
    for fear of losing the support of his otherwise mindless lemmings. Is there a better
    explanation? If you've got one, BRING IT ON!
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    « Reply #39 on: August 24, 2012, 03:24:14 PM »
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  • TT: You are either a paid shill or else you're not "smart" enough to get paid for it.

    In which case you're working for free for your own demise. Pity.
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    « Reply #40 on: August 25, 2012, 01:09:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    The suspension of Nemmersdorf is strange because Nemmersdorf asked Sarto

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    AGAIN, THESE ACCUSATIONS ARE BLATANT LIES!

    Have YOU read the book, Benoît XVI et les Traditionalistes, you mentioned?


    Then, whoever you are, petit rigolo, please, quote the exact passage in the book, where Fr Celier is alleged to FAVOUR the Pipaul mass.

    I am also waiting for Sarto to do the same: prove that Fr Celier FAVOURS the Pipaul mass/reform of the reform, by quoting the text, please!


    'counterrevolutionary' replies and not Gregorio Sarto.

    I believe you are confusing the comments: Nemmersdorf first asked Gregorio Sarto, but then she did it again addressing counterrevolutionary this second time.

    That's why counterrevolutionary replied.

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    1) Please quit calling me names. You don't have the right to do it, whoever you are.

    2) I won't quote any passage where Fr. Celier favours the pipaule mass, since I didn't state so in my comment.

    3) You ask for the exact passage in the book, and you don't provide the exact passage where I am alleged lied? Which accusations are blatant lies?


    Where did Nemmersdorf call people names and has Gregorio Sarto provided evidence that Fr Celier favours the "pipaule mass"?

    Nemmersdorf called counterrevolutionary a "petit rigolo".

    Gregorio Sarto answered that he wouldn't quote anything, since that was not the thread's subject.

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    I have no reason to doubt Fr Celier and the references are very clear in his book.

    Nemmersdorf was unable to quote Fr. Celier feeling sorrow about the pipaul mass.

    I wonder what kind of Catholic doesn't consider a good reason to doubt Fr. Celier his comment in the Benedict XVI 2010 Agenda...


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    « Reply #41 on: August 25, 2012, 01:38:55 AM »
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  • In summary, then, a "Fellayite" is anyone who doesnt immediately adhere to the fads and prejudices of a particular faction that shouts loudest the catchiest slogans.

    I don't find it a very attractive option, and I expect that those that do will be drowning in Coca Cola by now.

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    « Reply #42 on: August 25, 2012, 02:27:50 AM »
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  • In your case a Fellayite is a besotted shallow thinker who reflexively "thrashes about with extra energy"  (to borrow Hollingsworth's aptly amusing phrase) at every opportunity to advance the ѕуηαgσgυє and Satan's other change agents.

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    « Reply #43 on: August 25, 2012, 05:34:19 AM »
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    Anthony Malleus from Ignis Ardens,

    Are you just a little weaker than your mentor Mr. Baldwin? It seems you rarely
    have much initiative of your own but wait instead for him to take a stand and
    then you follow like a sheep dog, or, is it a lap dog? You tell me. .....
    <cut>



    Is this man one of those Tridentinpotists from the Scotch Isles?

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    « Reply #44 on: August 25, 2012, 06:02:37 AM »
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  • Adolphus,

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    I wonder what kind of Catholic doesn't consider a good reason to doubt Fr. Celier his comment in the Benedict XVI 2010 Agenda..


    Can you outline what you mean by this?