Author Topic: SSPX offers Mass at St. Peters in Rome (Read 9973 times)

peterp · « **Reply #45 on:** September 05, 2014, 11:31:22 PM »

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This is all silly. Has anyone here ever been on a Society pilgrimage?

Ever assisted at a pilgrimage Mass with the wrong color vestments, servers without a cassock and surplice, or on the roof-top of a hotel, or using the hotel bar as an altar, or be kickout of the church that had been reserved, or having to make do with a rock as an altar outdoorss? No. You all have no idea how often the Society priests have to improvise on such occasions.

It is highly likely that the scenario is: they asked for permission, were granted permission, and had to rush, using was available to them at the time, before the authorities changed their mind.

When you have to go through this much trouble just to try to mask what is an obvious case of slippage toward the Novus Ordo "gradualism" where the true norm is hidden behind the language of "exceptions," why bother? It's just too much mental gymnastics. Been there, done that, bud. Nice try, though. Spoken like a true PXer. Menzingen could use a few more like you.

It isn't a mask, they have all been experienced and can be vouched for.

stgobnait · « **Reply #46 on:** September 06, 2014, 03:44:30 AM »

if they had been afforded the opportunity to offer Holy Mass, at the altar of st pius x in rome, surely it should have been a thought out and dignified occasion. instead it looked like a scramble, we have all been at pilgrimages where things may not have been as we would have wished, but the priest was always at the ready, and where did you ever go on a pilgrimage, that ladies would not have carried their mantillas.

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #47 on:** September 07, 2014, 12:29:43 PM »

+AMDG+

Upon speaking to several people about this incident I was informed that all the hoopla surrounding this is unnecessary because:

1) Any priest is allowed to say Mass at the Basilica, in fact this is done numerous times. In fact Fr. Pfeiffer or even Bp. Williamson can just walk in and literally start saying Mass, there are no provisions in place to stop any traditional priest from saying Mass.
2) Fr. Robinson 2 years ago, former pastor of St. Christopher's Mission, spoke about himself having said Mass there numerous times with permission from the head, and continues to say Mass there (I am assuming when he visits)

If the first statement is true, then that explains the second. And if it were true, then why wouldn't the SSPx priest be prepared? They would be expecting to have no hindrances, right?

That explains the two professional cameramen who were on pilgrimage with them who happened to have brought professional cameras, equipment and tripods to the event.

Matthew · « **Reply #48 on:** September 07, 2014, 02:12:50 PM »

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+AMDG+

Upon speaking to several people about this incident I was informed that all the hoopla surrounding this is unnecessary because:

1) Any priest is allowed to say Mass at the Basilica, in fact this is done numerous times. In fact Fr. Pfeiffer or even Bp. Williamson can just walk in and literally start saying Mass, there are no provisions in place to stop any traditional priest from saying Mass.
2) Fr. Robinson 2 years ago, former pastor of St. Christopher's Mission, spoke about himself having said Mass there numerous times with permission from the head, and continues to say Mass there (I am assuming when he visits)

If the first statement is true, then that explains the second. And if it were true, then why wouldn't the SSPx priest be prepared? They would be expecting to have no hindrances, right?

That explains the two professional cameramen who were on pilgrimage with them who happened to have brought professional cameras, equipment and tripods to the event.

1. When you say "hoopla...is unnecessary" I assume you refer to the hoopla on the official SSPX website. i.e., they "started it" as far as making a big deal out of it.

2. Your second point is well taken -- if any priest can say Mass there, why wasn't the SSPX priest prepared with more traditional vestments?

And if, for some reason, they had to end up using the Novus Ordo vestments, they *at least* shouldn't be broadcasting it to the entire SSPX Faithful as well as potential SSPX Faithful still in the Novus Ordo. They must want to accustom the former to Novus Ordo vestments, as well as make the latter feel "at home" and not threatened by the SSPX.

It just seems to fit into their "re-branding" and Modern Rome/Vatican II "glasnost" style overtures quite nicely.

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #49 on:** September 07, 2014, 03:15:37 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

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+AMDG+

Upon speaking to several people about this incident I was informed that all the hoopla surrounding this is unnecessary because:

1) Any priest is allowed to say Mass at the Basilica, in fact this is done numerous times. In fact Fr. Pfeiffer or even Bp. Williamson can just walk in and literally start saying Mass, there are no provisions in place to stop any traditional priest from saying Mass.
2) Fr. Robinson 2 years ago, former pastor of St. Christopher's Mission, spoke about himself having said Mass there numerous times with permission from the head, and continues to say Mass there (I am assuming when he visits)

If the first statement is true, then that explains the second. And if it were true, then why wouldn't the SSPx priest be prepared? They would be expecting to have no hindrances, right?

That explains the two professional cameramen who were on pilgrimage with them who happened to have brought professional cameras, equipment and tripods to the event.

1. When you say "hoopla...is unnecessary" I assume you refer to the hoopla on the official SSPX website. i.e., they "started it" as far as making a big deal out of it.

2. Your second point is well taken -- if any priest can say Mass there, why wasn't the SSPX priest prepared with more traditional vestments?

And if, for some reason, they had to end up using the Novus Ordo vestments, they *at least* shouldn't be broadcasting it to the entire SSPX Faithful as well as potential SSPX Faithful still in the Novus Ordo. They must want to accustom the former to Novus Ordo vestments, as well as make the latter feel "at home" and not threatened by the SSPX.

It just seems to fit into their "re-branding" and Modern Rome/Vatican II "glasnost" style overtures quite nicely.

Those who seem unfazed are those attending Society Mass Centers, apparently they are under the impression that since Cardinal Ratzinger came to be elected, he has extended an open ended invitation to all SSPX priests when they are in Rome, that they may say Mass there at anytime.

I wonder sometimes why I never heard of this, and if this is the case how come they are not welcome in the Novus Ordo Churches? Are they seriously saying that they - SSPX - are welcome at St. Peter's Basilica, but not at St. Patrick's here in NYC? Someone should tell Bishop Dolan! And while they are at it, they should march alongside him at the St. Patrick's Day Parade!