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Maria Auxiliadora · « **on:** December 22, 2013, 12:13:23 PM »

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/12/cdf-prefect-muller-lefebvrians-are-de.html

CDF Prefect Müller: "Lefebvrians are de facto schismatic", Liberation Theology founder "has always been orthodox"
From the interview granted by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Abp. Gerhard Müller, to Italian daily Corriere della Sera, published this Sunday:

With the failure of discussions, what is the position of the Lefebvrians?

"The canonical excommunication due to the illicit [episcopal] ordination was lifted from the bishops, but the sacramental one remains, de facto, for the schism; because they have removed themselves away from communion with the Church. That being said, we do not close the door, ever, and we invite them to reconcile. But they also must change their approach and accept the conditions of the Catholic Church and the Supreme Pontiff as the ultimate criterion of belonging."

What can you say about the meeting between Francis and [Fr. Gustavo] Gutiérrez on September 11?

"Theological currents go through difficult moments, things are debated and clarified. But Gutiérrez has always been orthodox. We Europeans must get over the notion of being the center, without, on the other hand, underestimating ourselves. To broaden the horizons, to find a balance: I have learned this from him. Opening up to a concrete experience: seeing povery and also the joy of the people. A Latin American Pope has been a heavenly sign. Gustavo was overwhelmed. I was as well. And also Francis."

(Source, in Italian; tip: Il Blog di Raffaella)
Labels: After the talks (Holy See-SSPX), SSPX under Pope Francis, The resurrection of Liberation Theology
Posted by New Catholic at 12/22/2013 05:43:00 PM

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2013, 12:27:25 PM »

:smoke-pot:

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2013, 12:28:38 PM »

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/12/cdf-prefect-muller-lefebvrians-are-de.html

"The canonical excommunication due to the illicit [episcopal] ordination was lifted from the bishops, but the sacramental one remains, de facto, for the schism;

:scratchchin:

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2013, 12:41:53 PM »

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/12/cdf-prefect-muller-lefebvrians-are-de.html

CDF Prefect Müller: "Lefebvrians are de facto schismatic", Liberation Theology founder "has always been orthodox"
From the interview granted by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Abp. Gerhard Müller, to Italian daily Corriere della Sera, published this Sunday:

With the failure of discussions, what is the position of the Lefebvrians?

"The canonical excommunication due to the illicit [episcopal] ordination was lifted from the bishops, but the sacramental one remains, de facto, for the schism; because they have removed themselves away from communion with the Church. That being said, we do not close the door, ever, and we invite them to reconcile. But they also must change their approach and accept the conditions of the Catholic Church and the Supreme Pontiff as the ultimate criterion of belonging."

Straight out of the Freemasons' playbook, people.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/A-Chiesa-Viva-worth-reading

27. Elect an antipope. You say that he join (together) the church(s) (of) Protestants and Jєωs. An anti-pope will be elected if it were given the right to vote to the bishops. Then, we will elect many antipope(s). Eventually it will be an established as a compromise.

30. After the antipope has been established, dissolve the episcopal assemblies, diocesan and parochial. You forbid to all discussion of it (regarding these) dispositions. Accused disobedience of those who ask questions.

31. Antipope conferred the greatest power to choose their successors. Order to all, under pain of excommunication, and as soon as possible, referral to "secular arm" to take the "mark of the Beast. " But, of course, do not call it that. The sign of Cross should not be done either on persons, or through them. It should not be blessed anymore. Making the sign of the cross must be considered (a) heinous act of idolatry and disobedience.

32. Declared that all dogma, but papal infallibility, opinions are free. Proclaim that Jesus Christ was essentially a failed revolutionary. Announced that the Christ will soon come true, and that so far only the anti-pope must be obeyed.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2013, 12:50:07 PM »

Venerable Anne-Catherine Emmerich 18th Century
May 13, 1820

“I saw also the relationship between the two popes. . . I saw how baleful would be the consequences of this false church. I saw it increase in size; heretics of every kind came into the city (of Rome). The local clergy grew lukewarm, and I saw a great darkness... (May 13, 1820)”

For apostate Rome unity is found in everything but the Faith. Heretics, Protestants...in! Even the Orthodox, denying the Filioque, Primacy of the pope, Purgatory, Immaculate Conception, Indissolubility of Marriage...are considered brothers. The "two popes" (Francis & "Emeritus") fulfill this prophecy, IMO.

roscoe · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2013, 12:52:39 PM »

Francis 1 anti-pope

hollingsworth · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2013, 12:53:33 PM »

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"Lefebvrians are de facto schismatic",

Why should any of us care a fig about Muller and the other Vatican heretics think? He and his pope are much worse than de facto schismatics; they are de jure heretics and modernists. It would please Muller and the other ecclesial troglodytes no end to realize that the "Lefebvrians" are becoming less Lefebvrian with each passing day.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #7 on:** December 22, 2013, 01:35:03 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

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"Lefebvrians are de facto schismatic",

Why should any of us care a fig about Muller and the other Vatican heretics think? He and his pope are much worse than de facto schismatics; they are de jure heretics and modernists. It would please Muller and the other ecclesial troglodytes no end to realize that the "Lefebvrians" are becoming less Lefebvrian with each passing day.

"We" don't "care a fig..." but I hope those who do, and want "unity" with the Roman apostates (which by many accounts is still possible), better open their eyes and know in whose company they will be. A charitable attempt to warn them would not hurt.

Kelley · « **Reply #8 on:** December 22, 2013, 02:25:48 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

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"Lefebvrians are de facto schismatic",

Why should any of us care a fig about Muller and the other Vatican heretics think?

Right, but rest assure that +F & his GREC cronies find reason. :wink:

LoverOfTradition · « **Reply #9 on:** December 22, 2013, 03:35:07 PM »

It's isn't us who are schismatic. It is them. They broke with the Holy Catholic Faith as it was always taught, believed and practiced. We didn't and Archbishop Lefebvre saved it. One day, they will recognize that. They will have to. One day, they will thank him, instead of spitting on his grave.

TKGS · « **Reply #10 on:** December 22, 2013, 03:43:04 PM »

:drillsergeant: Move along folks. Nothing to see here. The sedevacantists are obviously wrong about everything. Move along. Go about your business.