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Catholic Trumpet Error on NO Eucharistic Miracles
« on: Today at 06:33:07 PM »
Catholic Trumpet video title states Bishop Williamson demanded belief in NO Eucharistic miracles. At minute 10:20 in video Fr Hewko posts Bishop Williamson's email where he states he demands that Fr Hewko tell his people that he was wrong to deny the possibility they may exist. These are two different things.


Video title: +BISHOP WILLIAMSON DEMANDED BELIEF IN FALSE NOVUS ORDO MIRACLES FOR HOLY OILS


  

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Catholic Trumpet Error on NO Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #1 on: Today at 10:00:31 PM »
So, there's more here than just the purported NO Eucharistic miracles that had Bishop Williamson not sending holy oils, and it was alluded to in one of the letters sent by +Williamson to Fr. Hewko, namely, the public attacks against +Williamson.

Nevertheless, I do consider it petty, both from +Williamson and +Zendejas to withold holy oils for differences of opinion.  About that I must wholeheartedly agree with Fr. Hewko.  Of course, Fr. Hewko holds an equally dogmatic rejection of sedevacantism, which also is merely an opinon ... so he contradicts himself there.

Were I a bishop, I would give the holy oils to pretty much any valid Catholic priest who requested them, since I would not punish the faithul or possibly have someone dying without Extreme Unction even for the "sins" of the priest (i.e. even if I had a very serious disagreement with them).

Very sad, how this ended.  I love how the Resistance are always smearing sedevacantists for splintering and having so many different divisions, but the Resistance fragmented in record time compared to the SVs.

I think the faithful need to stand up and call out these immature clergy.  We're to call them "Father" out of respect, but it's increasingly difficult to do so when we see them squabbling like children.  Whether it's SSPV using the Sacraments as weapons, or now the Resistance, or the SSPX doing the same ... there's something to be said about young men putting on cassocks and never having had to go through "real life" and thereby cut their teeth on reality and mature somewhat.  Perhaps they need to have held down real jobs for some years to have grown up.  I find the entire incident where Fr. Pfeiffer showed up at Broadstairs and they engaged in this absurd taunting through the door.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Catholic Trumpet Error on NO Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #2 on: Today at 10:31:55 PM »
Bishop Williamson could have helped his case had he made the appropriate distinction, namely, that the faithful could receive grace "ex opere operantis" by their devout assistance the NOM, on account of their piety and dispositions and good intentions, even if the NOM cannot confer grace "ex opere operato".  Anne Catherine Emmerich made a similar statement where she said that she envisioned a Church with an invalid Mass, but where God would nevertheless give those who assisted at it in good faith graces even if they received merely break (similar to a spiritual communion).

In addition, a valid Mass could confer grace to Catholics.  I believe that the citations made against the notion refer to valid Masses participated in by those outside the Church.  St. Pius X gave permission for some Catholics to receive the Sacraments in Orthodox territories where Catholics Sacraments were not available, since the Church alone has authority over the Sacraments, and even though the Orthodox do not receive grace from eating the Lamb outside the Church, faithful Catholics might.  I just don't believe the NOM is valid under any circuмstances.