Author Topic: Catholic Resistance is full of cowards (Read 2985 times)

sspxbvm · « **on:** April 17, 2013, 09:49:17 PM »

Interesting. The Saint Marys Resistance website has recently received some complaints saying we are hiding and hence we are not standing up for what we believe. All put in an uncharitable and haughty way.

Okay. So I went on a little "field trip" on the internet---searching for ANY website that gives it's owners personal information. Let's see. I looked at http://dictionary.reference.com/ I was APPALLED to see they don't provide personal information!! What if they did not define a word properly?? COWARDS!! Are they not PROUD of what they stand for??? Sure, I might be able to e-mail them but why hide behind e-mail? Why not come out in the open?

Next, I tried what appears to be a Catholic website: http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/lots/index.htm ...... Again. they must be ashamed of what they stand for. They don't put personal information.

I finally traveled over to a commercial website. Let's try http://www.target.com/
I couldn't believe it.!!Cowards even in the million dollar commercial world! How are they successful if they don't post the personal information of the website owners???

See the lunacy in such thinking?

People know us. If they are honestly seeking our position I will speak to them. No problem. If they are looking for trouble. Well, I have no problem dusting my shoes and going my way. It's a waste of precious time to argue with a liberal.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #1 on:** April 17, 2013, 09:54:25 PM »

It seems like those who want the resistance to post their personal information try to guard their own. Funny how that works.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #2 on:** April 17, 2013, 09:58:18 PM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

It seems like those who want the resistance to post their personal information try to guard their own. Funny how that works.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Liberals are full of double standards.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** April 17, 2013, 10:06:15 PM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

It seems like those who want the resistance to post their personal information try to guard their own. Funny how that works.

I agree.

The "8 parishioners" who supposedly wrote a letter to Fr. Rostand (to get my wife and I in trouble last November) have remained completely anonymous -- even to the priest. They went over the priest's head as well as the prior's head. They won't even come forward and makes themselves known to our priest, even when he specifically asked in a sermon that they do so!

Frances · « **Reply #4 on:** April 17, 2013, 10:24:47 PM »

Matthew,

I agree the eight are cowards. If they have a problem with you and your wife, they should have followed Our Lord's plan as outlined by St. Matthew, 18th chapter.
I have no problem whatsoever with others knowing my stand on doctrine and the situation in the SSPX. The reason I do not use my real name, e-mail, or location is because I am an older single-in-the-world woman who lives in a large city. A person in my situation is foolish to go public. It is a matter of personal security. For the same reason I've had an 'unlisted' phone number for years. My postbox has my surname on it only--same reason. It is folly to advertise, "A woman lives here by herself." Agree?

Those TradCats who already know me, know my web-name because I've told them, or else they've figured it out. I've nothing to hide! I am certainly NOT ashamed of supporting the Resistance.

Frances.

PAT317 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 17, 2013, 11:05:15 PM »

Doesn't SSPX.org now have a column called "Pastor's Corner" by some anonymous priest?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #6 on:** April 18, 2013, 03:52:37 AM »

Quote from: sspxbvm

Interesting. The Saint Marys Resistance website has recently received some complaints saying we are hiding and hence we are not standing up for what we believe. All put in an uncharitable and haughty way.

Okay. So I went on a little "field trip" on the internet---searching for ANY website that gives it's owners personal information. Let's see. I looked at http://dictionary.reference.com/ I was APPALLED to see they don't provide personal information!! What if they did not define a word properly?? COWARDS!! Are they not PROUD of what they stand for??? Sure, I might be able to e-mail them but why hide behind e-mail? Why not come out in the open?

Next, I tried what appears to be a Catholic website: http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/lots/index.htm ...... Again. they must be ashamed of what they stand for. They don't put personal information.

I finally traveled over to a commercial website. Let's try http://www.target.com/
I couldn't believe it.!!Cowards even in the million dollar commercial world! How are they successful if they don't post the personal information of the website owners???

See the lunacy in such thinking?

People know us. If they are honestly seeking our position I will speak to them. No problem. If they are looking for trouble. Well, I have no problem dusting my shoes and going my way. It's a waste of precious time to argue with a liberal.

This is entirely typical of liberals.

They cannot argue the logic or the doctrine of their position, so their next
tactic is to engage in personal insults. If you can't attack the message, then
resort to attacking the messenger.

It's called ad hominem.

So these 8, we could call them The Gang of Eight, cannot attack your
message, therefore they desire to attack your person.

Now, HOW CAN THEY ATTACK YOU PERSONALLY IF THEY CAN'T TELL
WHO YOU ARE???!!!

Therein lies the rub. So they revert to calumny, snide jibes, hate-speech
(that's their term for when someone ELSE does it so use it on them and see
them fume with ire), innuendo, going-over-the-prior's-head, littering your
website with their TRASH (aka trolling), and on and on.

If you were really serious you could hire a PI to find them out. That's what
a PI does, day in, day out - they spy on people. But you probably can't be
bothered. If you think it's ridiculous, just know this: it's not beyond Krah
and his buddies to hire a PI, and they may have hired one to collect info on
YOU.

Just a heads-up.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** April 18, 2013, 06:59:58 AM »

Cults thrive on using information to their advantage.

The SSPX wants to exploit the emotion of shame to get people to open up and give information about themselves so that the SSPX can use that information to its advantage. So that it can have more control. At the same time they zealously guard information about what they themselves do to keep people under control.

This is a reason I would be hesitant to confess to an SSPX priest.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #8 on:** April 18, 2013, 07:13:01 AM »

Surprisingly enough, I have not yet felt the brunt of reprisals since I went public April 5.

I expected to have been informed I was no longer welcome at my local chapel, yet it has not happened.

Perhaps it is still to come.

Perhaps not.

There are plenty of good reasons to remain anonymous.

There are plenty of good reasons not to remain anonymous.

Those who put themselves at risk will carry more weight with their priest in encouraging him to stand up and denounce the doctrinal declaration of Bishop Fellay.

Those who remain anonymous will be harder to retaliate against, and might remain in the fight longer.

It is not a dogmatic issue, so to each their own.

For my own part, I agreed with Bishop Williamson's position that we should make our decisions based on principles before consequences (i.e., fear of retaliation), because it is precisely this consequence that is keeping our SSPX priests silent, and our resistance laity frustrated.

Frances · « **Reply #9 on:** April 20, 2013, 09:07:28 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Cults thrive on using information to their advantage.

The SSPX wants to exploit the emotion of shame to get people to open up and give information about themselves so that the SSPX can use that information to its advantage. So that it can have more control. At the same time they zealously guard information about what they themselves do to keep people under control.

This is a reason I would be hesitant to confess to an SSPX priest.

The Confessional is the place to own up to our actual, objectively real sins. Shame is an emotion, not a sin. It may or may not correspond to objective reality. Satan uses shame to manipulate, control, and exploit to his advantage, hence cults follow their leader. Unless one has actual evidence that a particular priest has broken the seal of the confessional, one may confess to him without fear. Going to a "Resistance Mass" is objectively NOTa sin, regardless of what a particular confessor thinks. Feelings of shame may be safely ignored. One ought not confess to having done things of which Fr. XYZ would not like! Confess only sins. If it is counseling or a sympathetic ear one is after, then, of course, consult a priest you trust for advice. Are there any priests in the SSPX whohear confessions in order to gather information? Let's not even imply such a crime takes place without sufficient evidence.

hugeman · « **Reply #10 on:** April 20, 2013, 10:46:12 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: sspxbvm
Interesting. The Saint Marys Resistance website has recently received some complaints saying we are hiding and hence we are not standing up for what we believe. All put in an uncharitable and haughty way.

People know us. If they are honestly seeking our position I will speak to them. No problem. If they are looking for trouble. Well, I have no problem dusting my shoes and going my way. It's a waste of precious time to argue with a liberal.

This is entirely typical of liberals.

They cannot argue the logic or the doctrine of their position, so their next
tactic is to engage in personal insults. If you can't attack the message, then
resort to attacking the messenger.

It's called ad hominem.

So these 8, we could call them The Gang of Eight, cannot attack your
message, therefore they desire to attack your person.

Now, HOW CAN THEY ATTACK YOU PERSONALLY IF THEY CAN'T TELL
WHO YOU ARE???!!!

Therein lies the rub. So they revert to calumny, snide jibes, hate-speech
(that's their term for when someone ELSE does it so use it on them and see
them fume with ire), innuendo, going-over-the-prior's-head, littering your
website with their TRASH (aka trolling), and on and on.

If you were really serious you could hire a PI to find them out. That's what
a PI does, day in, day out - they spy on people. But you probably can't be
bothered. If you think it's ridiculous, just know this: it's not beyond Krah
and his buddies to hire a PI, and they may have hired one to collect info on
YOU.

Just a heads-up. [quote/]

Well, I don't agree that the website for Target stores or Webster's Dictionary needs to name the owners, or give their contact info. If you don't like Target, you can always go to Kohls, or Sears (oh-- that's Target again!), or JCP.(But I get the idea).
However, where do you go to get the truth about your Church? Can you just go down the street to Jehovah's Witness? Or can you go to the local Jєωιѕн temple? ( I know--some wag is going to say that's the only place to get the real scoop!).
The point is, people looking at these sites (those of good will) are looking for truth and reliable info-- and they want to be able to distinguish between fact and opinion. That's why the sources become so important. So, if one doesn't want to ID themselves so openly, for any one of a million reasons, then you just have to be more exact in your sources and footnotes.
Now-- as the poster says, the enemy's only purpose is to search you out, harass you , denigrate you, and spread calumny and slander. Because they have a total inability to fight with the facts, and because the truth is absolutely on our side, they have to resort to personal attacks. Their problem, of course, is legendary: As more of us stand up and speak out, they are having to put more and more fires out, their strength is dissipated, more of the faithful wake up and wonder " what's going on?" and then more people learn and stand up--- starting the cycle over again! :) With God, all things are possible!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #11 on:** April 21, 2013, 03:51:46 AM »

Quote from: hugeman

Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: sspxbvm
Interesting. The Saint Marys Resistance website has recently received some complaints saying we are hiding and hence we are not standing up for what we believe. All put in an uncharitable and haughty way.

People know us. If they are honestly seeking our position I will speak to them. No problem. If they are looking for trouble. Well, I have no problem dusting my shoes and going my way. It's a waste of precious time to argue with a liberal.

This is entirely typical of liberals.

They cannot argue the logic or the doctrine of their position, so their next
tactic is to engage in personal insults. If you can't attack the message, then
resort to attacking the messenger.

It's called ad hominem.

So these 8, we could call them The Gang of Eight, cannot attack your
message, therefore they desire to attack your person.

Now, HOW CAN THEY ATTACK YOU PERSONALLY IF THEY CAN'T TELL
WHO YOU ARE???!!!

Therein lies the rub. So they revert to calumny, snide jibes, hate-speech
(that's their term for when someone ELSE does it so use it on them and see
them fume with ire), innuendo, going-over-the-prior's-head, littering your
website with their TRASH (aka trolling), and on and on.

If you were really serious you could hire a PI to find them out. That's what
a PI does, day in, day out - they spy on people. But you probably can't be
bothered. If you think it's ridiculous, just know this: it's not beyond Krah
and his buddies to hire a PI, and they may have hired one to collect info on
YOU.

Just a heads-up.

Well, I don't agree that the website for Target stores or Webster's Dictionary needs to name the owners, or give their contact info. If you don't like Target, you can always go to Kohls, or Sears (oh-- that's Target again!), or JCP.(But I get the idea).

However, where do you go to get the truth about your Church? Can you just go down the street to Jehovah's Witness? Or can you go to the local Jєωιѕн temple? ( I know--some wag is going to say that's the only place to get the real scoop!).

The point is, people looking at these sites (those of good will) are looking for truth and reliable info-- and they want to be able to distinguish between fact and opinion. That's why the sources become so important. So, if one doesn't want to ID themselves so openly, for any one of a million reasons, then you just have to be more exact in your sources and footnotes.

Now-- as the poster says, the enemy's only purpose is to search you out, harass you , denigrate you, and spread calumny and slander. Because they have a total inability to fight with the facts, and because the truth is absolutely on our side, they have to resort to personal attacks.

Their problem, of course, is legendary: As more of us stand up and speak out, they are having to put more and more fires out, their strength is dissipated, more of the faithful wake up and wonder, "what's going on?" and then more people learn and stand up --- starting the cycle over again! :)

With God, all things are possible!

I fixed your codes you had one [quote/] like that, which is backwards.

It seems we may be losing sight of the big picture. The whole point of the
Resistance is to adhere to the same principles that ABL laid down for his
beloved Society, his life's work, his magnum opus. We see it being degraded
by miscreants and we are trying to protect it -- if possible. And the most
direct approach for that is to get rid of the SG and his cronies. That requires
a rising up of all the priests in the Society to do the HARD WORK of what
must be done: You know, LIKE ABL DID!!

When he was at retirement age, did he stop his mission because he wanted
to enjoy himself? NO!

He picked up his backpack and hit the road, that's what.

His whole life was "on a mission." That's what he was about. And to follow his
lead, the Society priests need to do likewise - not slack off but forge ahead into
the cold, dark beyond, where it isn't charted territory. It is time for all good
priests to take up the shield and helmet and breastplate and armour of God,
as St. Paul says so well.

Kazimierz · « **Reply #12 on:** April 26, 2013, 05:21:09 PM »

Hooo Hooo! I would love to be told by a neo-SSPX critter that I am a coward....preferably to my unshaven face which frames a 6 ft 6 270lb plus figure....

I would probably just lose my patience and show them the other cheek, preferably after a large meal of tacos and burritos. :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

Kazimierz, who is in reality Marc J Ratusz, sworn member of the Resistance in Canada, and for all who resist!

My swords and rosaries I raise in your defense good Cathinfoers everywhere!

(After having a nice little chat with a no nothing Nervous ordo type who blatantly knows nothing about the Faith, and denigrates His Excellency, whereupon cutting retorts were made, I am in a fightin' mood!)

Cry havoc and let slip the bears of war because they are bigger than dogs. :smile:

Wessex · « **Reply #13 on:** April 27, 2013, 04:23:39 AM »

I have no personal experience of Newchurch and distanced myself from the SSPX many years ago because of local (UK) issues. There is not such an intense religious attachment here that would generate heated conflicts described on these pages. Actually, for the time being, this SSPX district is maintaining a fine line between the liberalism of the leadership and the concerns of the Recusant faction. Which means there is no alternative aposolate as yet that would signify the beginnings of an active resistance.

hugeman · « **Reply #14 on:** April 27, 2013, 09:46:35 AM »

Quote from: Kazimierz

Hooo Hooo! I would love to be told by a neo-SSPX critter that I am a coward....preferably to my unshaven face which frames a 6 ft 6 270lb plus figure....

I would probably just lose my patience and show them the other cheek, preferably after a large meal of tacos and burritos. :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

Kazimierz, who is in reality Marc J Ratusz, sworn member of the Resistance in Canada, and for all who resist!

My swords and rosaries I raise in your defense good Cathinfoers everywhere!

(After having a nice little chat with a no nothing Nervous ordo type who blatantly knows nothing about the Faith, and denigrates His Excellency, whereupon cutting retorts were made, I am in a fightin' mood!)

Cry havoc and let slip the bears of war because they are bigger than dogs. :smile:

Thank you, Kazi, and all who stand for the resistance!
Of course, the little panty-waisted under the control of Rostand,
Fellay and "call me whore-hay" want you to reveal yourself so they can
Intimidate you, denigrate you, whisper slanders about you just before they
receive communion, and skulk through the rectory to "tell" Father about you.
But none of that can hurt us. We have the truth on our side! They have nothing
but fifteen years of sneaking through rome on their midnight runs, trying to climb into
the king sized bed of modernism in the Vatican II tent.
We are all obliged to learn our faith, to understand the issues, and to oppose Fellay and
his cronies in their deceptions and lies. This is a matter of duty. It is a matter of Christian
charity--of true love for our fellow man, for our souls, for our Master.
Had not the brave Bishop stood tall, had not the courageous priests taken the bullet, the SSPX would have surely already been swallowed by that slimy roman episcopste. So, we owe these priests, this Bishop, and the good Sisters, our prayers, our vocal, and our material support. You can get the various websites to support through here:Support those who truly follow the Archbishop www.sossaveoursspx.com