Author Topic: Catholic Identity Conference - SSPX, FSSP and Dio. Priest (Read 9247 times)

ihsv · « **on:** October 01, 2015, 12:06:00 PM »

I was speaking to a friend today who attended the recent Catholic Identity Conference in WV, and he mentioned in passing (he and I aren't on the same page with regard to the crisis) that it was wonderful to see an SSPX priest, an FSSP priest, and a Diocesan priest celebrate the "Extraordinary form" together. The three priests in question are

• Father John Brucciani, SSPX
• Father Michael Rodríguez
• Father Gregory Pendergraft, FSSP

I was just wondering if anyone else has heard of/has first hand info on this? Apparently, Fr. Brucciani was the celebrant, with the other two taking the deacon/subdeacon positions. Fr. Brucciani is the prior at St. Joseph's Priory, Armada, MI. Knowing how the SSPX does things, he must have received permission from his bosses in order to do this.

If true, this is significant.

covet truth · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2015, 12:44:56 PM »

I don't know about the celebrants. No SSPX priest was listed as participating in this "Catholic Identity Conference" on the program. However, since the beginning of this Conference which began about three years ago, James Vogel from The Angelus has been a regular speaker. Fr. Pendergraft FSSP has always been the celebrant of the Mass and the keynote speaker. This year Fr. Michael Rodriguez was added as well as a diocesan priest from Pittsburgh. Of course, the usual ones like Michael Matt and John Vennari were speakers and the CFN website should have a report on it.

I have always watched to see if The Angelus or its website ever gave a report of their participation but I never saw one. It has always bothered me that the SSPX would play an active role in this Conference which seemed to be under the auspices of the FSSP but that is not verified. I have tried to find out what group is behind these annual meetings but to no avail. Maybe someone else will have better luck than I have had.

ihsv · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2015, 12:49:01 PM »

On the Catholic Identity Conference website, Fr. Brucciani, SSPX, is listed as a speaker

covet truth · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2015, 01:25:50 PM »

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On the Catholic Identity Conference website, Fr. Brucciani, SSPX, is listed as a speaker

I had not seen his name. The last time I checked out their program Fr. Rodriguez had been added. It must be "official" now that attending an indult Mass with a diocesan priest or a priest of the Fraternity of St. Peter or whatever (no "resistance" priest, however) is acceptable for the SSPX laity. They are all one now.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #4 on:** October 01, 2015, 01:29:58 PM »

Well, if all these clerics and trad layfolk can get together under a mutual banner, then, my reasoning tells me, there is no longer a need for the SSPX. The SSPX was set up specifically for the purpose of resisting and exposing the modernist errors of New Church. Since they are now, apparently, banding together, let's just drop the charade. At the very least, Bp. Fellay should come out and declare that the original mission of the Archbishop has been abandoned. The SSPX is setting a new course, and the faithful ought to be informed of such. But that will not happen, as long as certain clerics can resort to equivocation, rationalization and outright lies.

covet truth · « **Reply #5 on:** October 01, 2015, 01:35:56 PM »

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Well, if all these clerics and trad layfolk can get together under a mutual banner, then, my reasoning tells me, there is no longer a need for the SSPX. The SSPX was set up specifically for the purpose of resisting and exposing the modernist errors of New Church. Since they are now, apparently, banding together, let's just drop the charade. At the very least, Bp. Fellay should come out and declare that the original mission of the Archbishop has been abandoned. The SSPX is setting a new course, and the faithful ought to be informed of such. But that will not happen, as long as certain clerics can resort to equivocation, rationalization and outright lies.

Well, you know this is a "Catholic Identity Conference" and since the SSPX has lost theirs they must go in search of another! Obviously, the Catholic identity given to the Society by Archbishop Lefebvre just isn't good enough anymore.

stgobnait · « **Reply #6 on:** October 01, 2015, 01:37:53 PM »

:sad: you could be crying day and night.....but...'I will not leave you orphaned' we must remember that...

hollingsworth · « **Reply #7 on:** October 01, 2015, 01:47:44 PM »

covet truth:

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Obviously, the Catholic identity given to the Society by Archbishop Lefebvre just isn't good enough anymore.

Obviously. The SSPX original 'mission statement' must be upgraded. The situation is far worse today than it was when ABL established the Society. Who would ever have thought that a Pope Francis might enter the scene. If anything, the SSPX should distance itself from modernist Rome even more, not come closer together with organizations that are in full communion with Rome. The problem for the SSPX faithful is this, IMHO. Most of them lost sight years ago of ABL's original motives for creating the Society. Many are just Sunday goers, "Catholics of the fifties." as Bp. Williamson might characterize them.

covet truth · « **Reply #8 on:** October 01, 2015, 03:12:54 PM »

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covet truth:
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Obviously, the Catholic identity given to the Society by Archbishop Lefebvre just isn't good enough anymore.

Obviously. The SSPX original 'mission statement' must be upgraded. The situation is far worse today than it was when ABL established the Society. Who would ever have thought that a Pope Francis might enter the scene. If anything, the SSPX should distance itself from modernist Rome even more, not come closer together with organizations that are in full communion with Rome. The problem for the SSPX faithful is this, IMHO. Most of them lost sight years ago of ABL's original motives for creating the Society. Many are just Sunday goers, "Catholics of the fifties." as Bp. Williamson might characterize them.

That statement also includes many SSPX priests as well. When they defend Bishop Fellay's overtures to an agreement with Rome I have to wonder if they ever understood the Archbishop or even read any of his many books. I have to say that many of the SSPX laity are willfully ignorant.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #9 on:** October 01, 2015, 03:36:41 PM »

covet truth:

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That statement also includes many SSPX priests as well. When they defend Bishop Fellay's overtures to an agreement with Rome I have to wonder if they ever understood the Archbishop or even read any of his many books. I have to say that many of the SSPX laity are willfully ignorant.

We have heard Bp. Williamson say almost the same things on several occasions within the last three years

wallflower · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2015, 03:44:23 PM »

I have friends who are happy about this too. It is hard for them to understand that trad ecuмenism isn't a good thing because once again, it is the modernist approach to leveling out the battlefield in favor of subjective truth. If everyone is honky dory and warm and fuzzy, what is the motivation to delve deeper for differences and objective truth? Not much. It takes away distinguishing marks and makes a loser out of the one institution that holds the truth. It has the same effect as ecuмenism, just on a smaller scale.

I wonder at the SSPX'ers who aren't happy about it though. Many people are anti-FSSP and know very well that there has always been a rather hostile relationship between the two. This would not have happened 20 years ago and they all know it. Yet so many are still so adamant that there's been no change. How do they reconcile such blatant contradiction in their minds?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #11 on:** October 01, 2015, 04:04:13 PM »

wallflower: That statement also includes many SSPX priests as well. When they defend Bishop Fellay's overtures to an agreement with Rome I have to wonder if they ever understood the Archbishop or even read any of his many books. I have to say that many of the SSPX laity are willfully ignorant.

A little more than three years ago, my wife and I were attending Masses at the FSSP chapel in Coeur d'Alene from time to time. We were also going to Mass at the SSPX chapel in Post Falls. Three SSPX priests, stationed in PF at the time told me on three separate occasions that we were wrong for attending an FSSP Mass because of the compromises the FSSP had made with Rome. These priests were old school SSPX.

What do we see now scarcely three years later? We see an SSPX priest and an FSSP sharing the same speaker's podium at a trad ecuмenical love-in. How times do change!

songbird · « **Reply #12 on:** October 01, 2015, 04:04:19 PM »

I understand what Pope Pius XII stated during war with Russia. When Russia took on Hitler, Russia took on. Catholic Clergy were to support the Gov't of Russia. If not, the clergy were thrown out and "their" choice put it; take over. Were they "catholic"? No, said Pope Pius XII. They excommunicate themselves, for they do not serve God and Rome as Christ set up. Anyone who aligns themselves with these non-catholic clergy, are to consider themselves as well, excommunicated.

We should not forget this! Those so-called catholic clergy, who say the indulterated Mass are publicly announcing that they are excommunicated. Those are their fruits!
So, much for this conference that states: Catholic Identity.

That term: Catholic "Identity" was used by the federal gov't. Keep your catholic identity and take the federal dollars, no problem.

songbird · « **Reply #13 on:** October 01, 2015, 05:01:49 PM »

I surfed the internet and found "Catholic Identity" in all kinds of places. I read that the pope wanted "catholic identity" to come to surface (how?) and that was 2012. The lst conference being 2012, correct?

Sadlier; who makes books for school, had a 7th-8th grade book, "We Live our Faith: Catholic Identity. But there is certainly a lot of orgs. using that term.

It takes $$ to have conferences and it would not surprise me that we just might find contributors.

songbird · « **Reply #14 on:** October 01, 2015, 05:25:54 PM »

Check out www.traditio.com for July 2012: "The Declaration seeks to find an "identity for the NEO-SSPX and Krah is mentioned, the funds. Very interesting!!