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Re: Catholic SCandle
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2020, 07:48:37 AM »
Dogmatic home aloners* are the WORST and MOST DANGEROUS group of individuals on the planet -- at least to Traditional Catholics (of which I consider myself, hence my perspective and opinion on the matter)

NO EXCEPTIONS.

They are the absolute worst. Worse than Novus Ordo, Charismatics, Protestants, liberals, Jews, pagans, satanists, communists, and globalists.

The evils of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, Globalism, satanism, Communism -- individuals like Klaus Schwab or Hillary Clinton aren't as much danger to a Traditional Catholic like myself. How could that be, you ask? Well, they can only take away my kids, my property, and lock me up in a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ. They can martyr me, but they can't damage my soul or my salvation.

God allows these enemies to exist, and even I (with my limited human intellect) can see that such opposition is necessary, to allow good men to fight, struggle, remain strong in their Faith, and prove their loyalty to God. If even I can see that, it doesn't take a big leap to trust that God knows what He's doing in this matter.

The foolishness of pagans, liberals, etc. doesn't touch me in the least. If anything, it makes me stronger in my Catholic beliefs.

But Dogmatic home-aloners, with their lies, distortions, opinions, and general rhetoric convince good Traditional Catholics to reject the ministrations of all good Traditional priests and bishops worldwide, as well as take away perfectly good sermons, Masses, and sacraments from Catholics who currently enjoy these things. And according to Catholic dogma, those things are NECESSARY FOR SALVATION. They are not just "nice" or "extras".

Furthermore, dogmatic home-aloners also isolate said Catholics, making them vulnerable and weak. They take away good Catholic friendships from father, mother, and children. They take away potential good Catholic spouses from said children. And, in short, they probably cause the damnation of most of their children.

When confronted with the dogma that the Catholic Church is a visible organization, which will exist until the end of time, they make excuses. They basically fall for the protestant/heretical notion about an "invisible church".

If God allows an extraordinary evil like no (real/traditional) Mass in a given state or country, and no chance for families to even travel 6 hours to get the Sacraments on occasion, we can be sure that He will provide extraordinary graces to sustain such individuals, and allow for the possibility of their salvation. But when you take it upon yourself -- that's a whole different animal. It would be like moving to a desert island where there's no priest or sacraments, and then trying to blame God if you don't save your soul.


*Dogmatic home-aloner is defined as: a Catholic who says there are dogmatic reasons why one must stay at home on Sunday, avoiding *all* priests, bishops, and groups -- even Tridentine Masses. A Traditional Catholic who has no good option for Mass on all/most Sundays is an accidental home-aloner. It's the difference between an abortion and a miscarriage!

Another definition: "There are 10 Catholics left in the world, including me."

Re: Catholic SCandle
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2020, 02:50:46 PM »
*Dogmatic home-aloner is defined as: a Catholic who says there are dogmatic reasons why one must stay at home on Sunday, avoiding *all* priests, bishops, and groups -- even Tridentine Masses. A Traditional Catholic who has no good option for Mass on all/most Sundays is an accidental home-aloner. It's the difference between an abortion and a miscarriage!

Another definition: "There are 10 Catholics left in the world, including me."

Let's be fair.  Let's be honest.  The great irony here is that John Pfeiffer, the individual behind Catholic Candle is not a "dogmatic home aloner" according to either of the two definitions you have provided.


Re: Catholic SCandle
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2020, 04:24:50 PM »
A note on the priest list is that sedevacantist priests ordained by SSPV or CMRI or whoever are generally not recognised as priests, although as Fr Jenkins SSPV, for example, was an SSPX ordinand, his own priesthood is recognised. This seems a quite radical stance. The usual is valid but illicit. Calling a priest 'so called Fr' doesn't look like the valid but illicit line. It seems prudent in respect of Fr Pfeiffer and others whose priestly orders are sound, but whose apparent consecration has severe issues.

Re: Catholic SCandle
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2020, 09:30:55 PM »
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Let's be fair.  Let's be honest.  The great irony here is that John Pfeiffer, the individual behind Catholic Candle is not a "dogmatic home aloner" according to either of the two definitions you have provided.

This is true.  My understanding is that CC endeavours to help Catholics who are so confused they do not know who to believe.   Traditionalists whether priests or laity are at loggerheads with one another
to the simple pewsitter who is thereby in great danger of losing the faith entirely.   They need time and a place to go to sort themselves out.  The problem can be that dogmatic judgments are made in the process of helping lost souls to keep the faith.  Judgments such as have been made regarding Bishop Williamson (which I regret having believed myself) and blacklisting named priests who could change their position overnight without anybody knowing.  

Re: Catholic SCandle
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2020, 02:47:09 AM »
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If you are looking to become a home aloner, condemning virtually all Traditional Catholics and Trad clergy in the world, visit the Catholic Scandal Candle.

Oh, and they promote the Rosary and a few other Catholic devotions. As if you can't get that literally hundreds of other places...

The bottom line:
If you will put up with the sectarianism and schismatic mentality (as well as dogmatic Home Aloneism) of sites like Catholic Scandle, you might as well frequent the Dimond Brothers website as well. Their clock is right twice a day too!

And you should be promoting CathInfo ALL OVER THE PLACE because our signal-to-noise ratio is better than either of those sites!S

Since CathInfo belongs to Matthew, he has the prerogative of deleting this post of mine as he did my initial opening post in this thread by replacing it with that of his own as seen above.  I hope not, but I won't be surprised if this one suffers the same fate.

Let it be known from the outset that I don't agree with all that The Catholic Candle puts out.  At the same time, however, I have looked at enough of its material over the years to know that the view put forth by Matthew is not worthy of him because it presents a ridiculous one sided caricature of it.  It is in fact a caricature no less ridiculous than the one that could be expected from many a Catholic who would flippantly dismiss so much of the good (aside from promotion of "the Rosary and a few other Catholic devotions") on CathInfo by caricaturing the site as one populated by nothing but a bunch of Jew hating tin foil hat lunatics who have nothing better to do than spend all their time verbally stoning to death everyone else when they are not participating in their own circular shooting squads.

John Pfeiffer, the one behind the Catholic Candle is definitely not a dogmatic home aloner according to either of the definitions of that term given by Matthew in this thread and Matthew has certainly not proven, let alone attempted to prove otherwise.  At the same time Pfeiffer does stay away from attending most trad Masses.  Many trads stay away from a lot of trad Masses, although some like John do it to a significantly greater degree.  Who are we to insinuate -- even in dogmatic tones -- that we are more wise than him in this regard?  Let God be our judge.  Pfeiffer, whether we agree with him or not, contends that God will sustain/reward us with sanctifying grace if in good faith we struggle to do our part in sustaining a deep and true enough faith, hope, and love in Him, a faith, hope, and love in Him which may even entail us staying separate and apart from assisting at Masses offered by in one way or the other compromising clerics (even those who are unfaithful in "small matters") who can lead the faithful, even the traditional faithful little by little away from the faith.