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Offline klasG4e

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Catholic SCandle
« on: November 17, 2020, 01:30:42 PM »
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    If you are looking to become a home aloner, condemning virtually all Traditional Catholics and Trad clergy in the world, visit the Catholic Scandal Candle.

    Oh, and they promote the Rosary and a few other Catholic devotions. As if you can't get that literally hundreds of other places...

    The bottom line:
    If you will put up with the sectarianism and schismatic mentality (as well as dogmatic Home Aloneism) of sites like Catholic Scandle, you might as well frequent the Dimond Brothers website as well. Their clock is right twice a day too!

    And you should be promoting CathInfo ALL OVER THE PLACE because our signal-to-noise ratio is better than either of those sites!S
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    Re: Catholic Candle
    « Reply #1 on: November 17, 2020, 02:10:19 PM »
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    • Catholic Candle

    The Apostolic Fathers Rebuke the Conduct of Bishop Williamson’s Followers
    Bishop Williamson continually increases his “collection” of heresies he promotes, as shown regularly in Catholic Candle
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    Re: Catholic Candle
    « Reply #2 on: November 17, 2020, 02:24:59 PM »
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    • Sounds like a MHFM-lite website....everyone is a heretic but them.  
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    Just what we need nowadays, more division.   :facepalm:
    Notice that Our Lady didn’t tell St Dominic to go around anathematizing the Albigensian heretics of his day.  She told him to preach the rosary!  She wanted people to pray and then She and the Holy Ghost could enlighten them to truth (assuming they had good Will).   And that’s how the heresy ended.  Prayer.  
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    So if people want to create a website, they should do something to promote saying the rosary, or the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart, or the First Friday/First Saturday devotions.  This is the type of Catholic Action we need today.  Not more division and name calling.
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    Re: Catholic Candle
    « Reply #3 on: November 17, 2020, 02:45:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 17, 2020, 02:24:59 PM
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    So if people want to create a website, they should do something to promote saying the rosary, or the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart, or the First Friday/First Saturday devotions.  This is the type of Catholic Action we need today.  Not more division and name calling.
    I do not agree with some things on the website just as I certainly do not agree with some things on CathInfo.  That said, if you would review the material that the site has put out, you would find that each of the things you mention here as things which should be promoted (i.e., the rosary, the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart, and the First Friday/First Saturday devotions) are indeed specifically promoted and elaborated on by the site and more than once at that.
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    Re: Catholic Candle
    « Reply #4 on: November 17, 2020, 03:09:59 PM »
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    • Each page has the heading on heresy.
    There is no Who are we? page.
    Seems a very negative approach to Faith.
    I am not attracted to look deeper into the site.
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    Re: Catholic Candle
    « Reply #5 on: November 17, 2020, 03:20:42 PM »
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    • I am sure this the former Pfifferite website of the Chicago lawyer, although I do not know if he supports Fr. Pfiffer anymore. He maybe be a "Hewkonian" or a "home-aloner."
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    Re: Catholic Candle
    « Reply #6 on: November 17, 2020, 04:50:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on November 17, 2020, 03:20:42 PM
    I am sure this the former Pfifferite website of the Chicago lawyer, although I do not know if he supports Fr. Pfiffer anymore. He maybe be a "Hewkonian" or a "home-aloner."
    He rejected them both a good number of years ago in much the same manner that Fr. Chazal did.  Subsequent to or shortly before his rejection of Fr. Pfeiffer he started with much of his own time, effort, and expense a non-profit corporation in the U.S. to raise funds for Dom Aquino, now Bp. Aquino at the urging of Bp. Williamson.  Unfortunately, he later dropped his support for Father, now Bp. Aquino.

    Much of the material on Catholic Candle (the "baby") is excellent while some of the "bath water" poses a real and legitimate problem to some TradCats.  What else is new?!
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    Re: Catholic Candle
    « Reply #7 on: November 17, 2020, 05:04:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 17, 2020, 02:24:59 PM
    Sounds like a MHFM-lite website....everyone is a heretic but them.  
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    Just what we need nowadays, more division.   :facepalm:
    Notice that Our Lady didn’t tell St Dominic to go around anathematizing the Albigensian heretics of his day.  She told him to preach the rosary!  She wanted people to pray and then She and the Holy Ghost could enlighten them to truth (assuming they had good Will).   And that’s how the heresy ended.  Prayer.  
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    So if people want to create a website, they should do something to promote saying the rosary, or the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart, or the First Friday/First Saturday devotions.  This is the type of Catholic Action we need today.  Not more division and name calling.
    I suspect that you agree—there are times and circuмstances for prayer and also times and circuмstances for Catholic men to stand up and act.
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    Re: Catholic Candle
    « Reply #8 on: November 17, 2020, 06:54:06 PM »
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    • I came across that website a while ago and found it very strange. As I recall, he condemns basically everyone in the traditional world and does not offer any solution for where to receive the sacraments.
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    Re: Catholic Candle
    « Reply #9 on: November 17, 2020, 07:10:57 PM »
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    • That wasn't fair to Bishop Williamson- many things were taken out of context- mostly from the Mahopac 2015 video. Everyone who was there ( as I was) knows what he meant. The good Bishop has a heart for all Catholics; even those that need gentle coaxing towards tradition. There were  NO Catholics there as guests as it was for the Sacrament of Confirmation. Don't you speak more judiciously when you are reaching out to NO Catholics. or do you bang them over the head? If the priest was valid, ( and years ago there were many NO priests that still were) was  the NO consecration valid therefor conferring Grace? ( Not asking for an answer as this has been debated a gazillion times)

    Bishop Williamson also does not adjure people to follow him or dictate what they should believe outside of Church teaching but he does have a right  to express his opinions.
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    Re: Catholic Candle
    « Reply #10 on: November 17, 2020, 10:33:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on November 17, 2020, 06:54:06 PM
    I came across that website a while ago and found it very strange. As I recall, he condemns basically everyone in the traditional world and does not offer any solution for where to receive the sacraments.
    They have never offered a solution for where to receive the Sacraments.   They are totally against Bishop Williamson and an Fr. Hewko. And John Pfeiffer (the lawyer/no relation to Fr. P) is definitely not a sedevacantist but depends on keeping Sunday holy at home.
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    Re: Catholic Candle
    « Reply #11 on: November 18, 2020, 09:34:39 AM »
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    If you are looking to become a home aloner, condemning virtually all Traditional Catholics and Trad clergy in the world, visit the Catholic Scandal Candle.

    Oh, and they promote the Rosary and a few other Catholic devotions. As if you can't get that literally hundreds of other places...

    The bottom line:
    If you will put up with the sectarianism and schismatic mentality (as well as dogmatic Home Aloneism) of sites like Catholic Scandle, you might as well frequent the Dimond Brothers website as well. Their clock is right twice a day too!

    And you should be promoting CathInfo ALL OVER THE PLACE because our signal-to-noise ratio is better than either of those sites!
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    Re: Catholic SCandle
    « Reply #12 on: November 18, 2020, 09:36:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on November 17, 2020, 04:50:00 PM
    Much of the material on Catholic Candle (the "baby") is excellent while some of the "bath water" poses a real and legitimate problem to some TradCats.  What else is new?!
    But 90% of this lemonade was PERFECTLY GOOD!  If we could just ignore that 10% arsenic we'd have such a REFRESHING BEVERAGE! ...

    Sorry, but the whole cup must be dumped out.  Just like Vatican II!

    Vatican II defined no new dogmas, and only did damage to the Catholic world.


    You COULD say that CathInfo has a few not so great posts or members -- but first of all I catch most of that with moderation. But even if a few bad posts get through, it's DIFFERENT in the case of CathInfo, because we offer something here you can't get anywhere else (communication with serious Trad Catholics all around the world, #1 source of Trad news, etc.) so it's WORTH having to sift -- having to ignore a few idiots. I did ban Poche BTW, so this argument holds less weight now ;)

    Plus any group of human beings is expected to have some flaws, due to original sin. That's fundamental to any real-time communications medium involving human beings with Original Sin. So CathInfo -- being a forum not a blog or news website -- has a darn good excuse. It's impossible to pre-emptively remove all bad members or posts.

    A blog or article website with an editorial policy is a completely different matter. If the Editor/Owner is a home aloner, schismatic, heretic, etc. it's going to ruin the whole site. Posting a few articles on the Rosary is NOT going to redeem such a site! Pope John Paul II promoted the Rosary too. He even made up 5 new mysteries! Are you going to promote him too?

    But CathInfo is 99% good whereas sites like MHFM are more like 3% and Catholic (S)candle is probably around 10%.

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    Re: Catholic SCandle
    « Reply #13 on: November 18, 2020, 10:08:37 AM »
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    I suspect that you agree—there are times and circuмstances for prayer and also times and circuмstances for Catholic men to stand up and act.

    Yes, I agree.  But prayer is also an act.  But you can still do both at the same time - spiritual and temporal work.
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    Not sure what your comment has to do with this thread.  The problem of Catholic Candle is in it's purpose - to condemn everyone but themselves.  This is nothing new, nothing needed.  This attitude is everywhere in Tradition.  It has solved nothing and actually makes things worse.
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    Re: Catholic SCandle
    « Reply #14 on: November 18, 2020, 06:30:26 PM »
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    • I know their for their priest listing. I noticed one or entries were outdated, so emailed, and they were corrected. I suppose they are short entries, so doesn't note how a certain Resistance priest is quite likely the only priest offering public Masses in the Republic of Ireland, and this counts Novus Ordo Missae. There are worse listings of traditional priests, at least the content is sourced  well enough.
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