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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Zeitun on June 18, 2013, 01:09:38 PM
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What are some things we as lay people can do to strengthen and build up the Resistance? Is anyone trained in Catholic Action that can spearhead some organizing of activities?
Maybe the first step is to set up a conference call where one person will facilitate and we start brainstorming ideas. Or a net meeting if that works better. I'm sure there are several fronts that groups can work on:
--prayer warriors: souls that will pray daily for the intentions of the Resistance
--Resistance apologetics: gentlemen with solid theological formation to develop sound and visually appealing apologetics materials that can be distributed online or in print (this would be with the approval of Fr. Pfeiffer)
--communications and outreach: don't laugh--"branding" of the Resistance with a cohesive and solidly traditional Catholic image and message (the opposite of a confederation)
--fundraising: activities and events to raise funds for the St. Marcel Initiative, the Resistance priests, the monks in Brazil, and any other groups trying to resist who have lost financial support from superiors
--vendor management: the acquistion and management of vendors/laity to volunteer their services and in some cases negotiate contracts
--priest support: in the spirit of St. Therese, putting together care packages of personal items, gift cards/certificates, and letters of encouragement
--Bishop Williamson: okay, this is an effort unto itself. Obviously a strategy needs to be developed and a plan implemented to get him off his duff and back in the fight
--education programs: developing Catholic homeschool programs that are not affiliated with the SSPX, organizing family workshops, and sponsoring Ignatian retreats
--lay support: prayer and encouragement for those leaving the SSPX, mentoring on setting up a Resistance Mass location, transporation to a Mass location, and financial assistance for those being persecuted by the SSPX
I am just a housewife and I have NO formal Catholic formation so don't shoot the messenger. What I can offer is zeal and some business acuмen from my former life. Don't criticize and condemn--let's see the menfolk band together to get to work.
Quit complaining about the Bish being complacent and then continuing to sit back. Now is the time to ACT.
Let me finish with these words which I pray you will reflect upon:
"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered, yet we have this consolation with us that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph."
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Zeitun, who is the author of the segment in red, above?
Did you write it? It seems to me that you're treating the Resistance like
it's some kind of separate entity with a kind of collective persona and
innovative will of some kind. Is this true? What defines "the intentions
of the Resistance" such that it would need prayers?
-- And you want to promote a "branding" of the Resistance?
Are you serious?
Or are you getting confused between politics and religion?
There is a political aspect to religion but you ought to be careful whose
leadership you subscribe to.
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Zeitun, who is the author of the segment in red, above?
Thomas Paine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Crisis
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Zeitun, who is the author of the segment in red, above?
Thomas Paine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Crisis
I wasn't asking you, clare.
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The point of the poem is to be inspired to take action.
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"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; ..."
I might be reading this wrong, but this sure doesn't sound like someone who lives in my part of the world. :cowboy:
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--Bishop Williamson: okay, this is an effort unto itself. Obviously a strategy needs to be developed and a plan implemented . . .
This is really uncalled for. He just travelled to Asia.
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Zeitun, who is the author of the segment in red, above?
Thomas Paine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Crisis
Thomas had some issues Mother Frump: :smile:
Thomas Paine
In December 1793, he was arrested and imprisoned in Paris, then released in 1794. He became notorious because of The Age of Reason (1793–94), his book that advocates deism, promotes reason and freethinking, and argues against institutionalized religion in general and Christian doctrine in particular.
He also wrote the pamphlet Agrarian Justice (1795), discussing the origins of property, and introduced the concept of a guaranteed minimum income.
In 1802, he returned to America where he died on June 8, 1809. Only six people attended his funeral as he had been ostracized for his ridicule of Christianity.[6]
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Thomas Paine married his sister, too, if I recall. Adopted sister, but still really creepy.
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Zeitun, who is the author of the segment in red, above?
Thomas Paine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Crisis
Thomas had some issues Mother Frump: :smile:
Thomas Paine
In December 1793, he was arrested and imprisoned in Paris, then released in 1794. He became notorious because of The Age of Reason (1793–94), his book that advocates deism, promotes reason and freethinking, and argues against institutionalized religion in general and Christian doctrine in particular.
He also wrote the pamphlet Agrarian Justice (1795), discussing the origins of property, and introduced the concept of a guaranteed minimum income.
In 1802, he returned to America where he died on June 8, 1809. Only six people attended his funeral as he had been ostracized for his ridicule of Christianity.[6]
I could say I didn't ask you either, Incred, but at least you're running
the ball in the right direction!
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The point of the poem is to be inspired to take action.
One should be most judicious from whom one acquires the inspiration
to "take action" because the KIND of action one takes in a large measure
can be derived from the spirit of the one who arouses the desire.
Have you ever heard of Americanism?
And, can you imagine that Thomas Paine, who 'inspires' you, was
able to save his soul from hell?
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:pray: :light-saber:Here's something nearly anyone can do. Be a prayer warrior in an intentional manner. Remember the SSPX Prayers for Priests? "Adopt" a Resistance priest or one who is still in the Society. Pray one additional decade of your daily Rosary for a priest.
p.s. Forget about Thomas P. He's long gone to his reward and his sayings aren't the point of Zeitun's post.
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And, can you imagine that Thomas Paine, who 'inspires' you, was
able to save his soul from hell?
Even heretics utter truth sometimes.
So if any men aren't interested in forming some action groups....how about women?
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--Bishop Williamson: okay, this is an effort unto itself. Obviously a strategy needs to be developed and a plan implemented . . .
This is really uncalled for. He just travelled to Asia.
I had to read that twice, that is really disrespectful. I didn't know about Asia and he has been all over the Americas this year. Plus he sends out a newsletter. I don't think we should be questioning even (or trying prove now) how he spends his time, my stomach hurts now.
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Zeitun, who is the author of the segment in red, above?
Thomas Paine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Crisis
I wasn't asking you, clare.
A bit uncharitable, Neil, don't you think?
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--Bishop Williamson: okay, this is an effort unto itself. Obviously a strategy needs to be developed and a plan implemented to get him off his duff and back in the fight
I echo what Tele said. That's uncalled for.
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Thank you wordsmiths for correcting my grammar.
Now....is anyone interested in doing something IRL to jump start the next phase of the Resistance? There's been a lot of criticism on this forum about non-action. Let's change that. We can give Fr. Pfeiffer an alternative to what he's been relying on.
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I thought someone said Fr P asked people to travel to KY? Let's do what he asked first?
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What about having fundraisers or working a temp job for them? Money has specifically been requested.
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I thought someone said Fr P asked people to travel to KY? Let's do what he asked first?
I missed that one. When and why did he want that?
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Page 8 of Whats wrong with this picture? in a post by Novus Weirdo.
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I had thought about "care packages" including travel toiletries and gas cards, ect, because they travel so much.
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1st mansion,
Yes there are lots of things we can do that don't need a priestly direction that I know will help. It just takes some committment and time. But it can't just fall on one person, for obvious reasons.
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--Bishop Williamson: okay, this is an effort unto itself. Obviously a strategy needs to be developed and a plan implemented . . .
This is really uncalled for. He just travelled to Asia.
I had to read that twice, that is really disrespectful. I didn't know about Asia and he has been all over the Americas this year. Plus he sends out a newsletter. I don't think we should be questioning even (or trying prove now) how he spends his time, my stomach hurts now.
Zeitun is emotionally committed to Fr. Pfeiffer, so she naturally adopts his entire platform unthinkingly. Including the idea that +W is not doing what he should.
I, on the other hand, rationally support Fr. Pfeiffer insofar as he is defending the Catholic Faith during this crisis in the SSPX (which is currently falling for the same siren-song as the wider Catholic Church did during/after Vatican II)
I would acknowledge Father's strengths and weaknesses, though I try my best to talk about only his strengths, and overlook/excuse his weaknesses whenever possible.
I firmly believe this is the only way a rational Catholic should act.
To do otherwise is to build on a foundation of sand. What happens if a "cult of personality" individual falls from his pedestal? How low will a given "fan" sink as a result? Will he give up? Let's just say it's always dangerous to use shortcuts like "fandom" in place of the hard work of THINKING.
If more Catholics had been THINKING in the late 60's we wouldn't be talking on this forum today, because there would be no such thing as a "Traditional Catholic" (considering that the Novus Ordo Mass would have been rescinded 1 year after its release...)
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Zeitun, who is the author of the segment in red, above?
Thomas Paine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Crisis
I wasn't asking you, clare.
A bit uncharitable, Neil, don't you think?
Maybe diplomacy isn't my first asset, but any idiot should be able to see
who it was that wrote the words -- I didn't need clare to chime in. I was
attempting to have a conversation with the author, but now we can see
that I was expecting too much. Zeitun is eager to follow the advice of
apostates, pagans and heretics if the mood suits her. Do you know any
men like that? If you do, they've likely been born in the past 53 years,
since you-know-when.
I should not have written "who is the author" in the first place because
it's not a PM, is it? Okay, my bad. Sorry, folks.
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And, can you imagine that Thomas Paine, who 'inspires' you, was able to save his soul from hell?
Even heretics utter truth sometimes.
That's true, of course. Generally speaking, because I don't know Mr Paine.
So if any men aren't interested in forming some action groups....how about women?
You mean some women action regiments, as suggested by St. Paulus? Wait, he said something different, like Catholic women shall restrain in the public. Or was it Bishop Williamson, whom you treat like a child? Ah, the good bishop and the apostle of the nations are similar in many cases.
There's an excellent saying in my native language. It goes so:
Wo Weiber führen's Regiment, da nimmt es stets ein böses End!
Difficult to translate because it's a nice rhyme, but maybe this would be close:
When women command the regiment, it always comes to a bad end!
Oh, it became a rhyme, too! Anyway, when reading Catholic Internet forums, this saying crosses my mind often.
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"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; ..."
I might be reading this wrong, but this sure doesn't sound like someone who lives in my part of the world. :cowboy:
I had to read this twice. Duuh.
Now I see, that in Texas everyone's a patriot, everyone's a soldier,
it's always summer and it's always sunshine, and NOBODY shrinks
from ANYTHING in any 'crisis', including but not limited to this crisis,
or the service of his country.
Okay, now I get it. Obviously, T. Paine was not a Texan. :cowboy:
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And, can you imagine that Thomas Paine, who 'inspires' you, was able to save his soul from hell?
Even heretics utter truth sometimes.
That's true, of course. Generally speaking, because I don't know Mr Paine.
So if any men aren't interested in forming some action groups....how about women?
You mean some women action regiments, as suggested by St. Paulus? Wait, he said something different, like Catholic women shall restrain in the public. Or was it Bishop Williamson, whom you treat like a child? Ah, the good bishop and the apostle of the nations are similar in many cases.
There's an excellent saying in my native language. It goes so:
Wo Weiber führen's Regiment, da nimmt es stets ein böses End!
Difficult to translate because it's a nice rhyme, but maybe this would be close:
When women command the regiment, it always comes to a bad end!
Oh, it became a rhyme, too! Anyway, when reading Catholic Internet forums, this saying crosses my mind often.
A little Deutsch lesson für tag? Ausgezeichnet!
I am most edified by the current story of the Brilon Wald Carmel,
where just about all we hear from them is how they are taking on
"extra penances and mortifications" to storm heaven for a rapid
resolution of this current crisis.
Who needs nuclear weapons when you have a Carmel?
We ought to all be keeping this excellent enclave of heroines in our
daily prayers, and we should make it a point to join each and every
act of self-denial, penance and love of God to the prayers of this
Carmel, because we will only know in the next life the benefits to
ourselves and to the world that such intention has evoked in our day
and beyond.
The fact that the deplorable Menzingen-denizens so lightly cast
them off as if they're nothing, just because their agenda of
aggiornamento with apostate Rome is more important (like their
attachment to sin - which would mean they don't get ANY plenary
indulgences so long as they're so attached to their sin!) than having
a Carmel in the ranks, PLUS the outrage and redress evoked in them
upon any mention of the Carmel, only goes to further prove the
apostasy of the Menzingen-denizens.
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Taking on board what you have said Matthew is very important. As we have seen, even good leaders can fall by the wayside through spiritual pride culminating in cultism. A thought has come to mind, however, about followers of saintly men and
women whose souls were enlarged/saved by truly holy people. Such layfolk would queue at their graves merely to touch it. They would have been unified in their prayer to the person they believed to be in heaven. And as so often happened, the Church eventually canonised such holy men and women.
Recently on CI Sean promoted an excellent essay outlining clearly the spirit of Archbishop Lefebvre, contrasting it to SSPX's present leadership. Could this essay be taken as a starting point for establishing a website where lay people could read it, and be encouraged to join in its spirit and offer only their User-names. No discussions, comments or debates. Could it be limited to that so that a kind of confraternity/association would form naturally - giving encouragement simply by the addition of each user-name?
It seems to me that many confused Catholics, so loved by ABL, and who have left the practice of their faith might take heart. Catholic website links could possibly be added for further information...for example 'The Recuscant' where there is only information, videos, movement of priests etc.
The backbone of the site would be those already taking part in the resistance movement but only identified by their user-name . There would not be a leader as such...perhaps a co-ordinator here and there and it would need to be monitored.
Anyway, it is merely a suggestion which might appeal.
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This criticism of the priests and who is working with them isn't right. These priests are good men and are working their tails off, we should give them more respect and real support. If we are prepared to give support if they give us a task we can be ready, not try to control things before they ask us to do something.
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"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; ..."
I might be reading this wrong, but this sure doesn't sound like someone who lives in my part of the world. :cowboy:
I had to read this twice. Duuh.
Now I see, that in Texas everyone's a patriot, everyone's a soldier,
it's always summer and it's always sunshine, and NOBODY shrinks
from ANYTHING in any 'crisis', including but not limited to this crisis,
or the service of his country.
Okay, now I get it. Obviously, T. Paine was not a Texan. :cowboy:
Well, OK. I would have stopped with "it's always summer." : )
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Zeitun is emotionally committed to Fr. Pfeiffer
Mea culpa cause I'm a girl through and through.
This Resistance needs less emotional committment and more rational committment.
Any volunteers?
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:dancing-banana:Who's been committed? :jester:
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Zeitun gets an "A" for enthusiasm at least...Pax Christi.
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--education programs: developing Catholic homeschool programs that are not affiliated with the SSPX,
What homeschool program is affiliated with the SSPX now besides correspondence through St Mary's? (I have no idea if they still offer that.)
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Likewise Zeitun, though not a girl (64). And, who were at the Cross?
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How silly if there is no Catholic Action within the Resistance. Catholic Action is resistance. I'm used to people, who do things and resist and engage in Catholic Action so find it strange to have these threads.
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Matthew, I understand your excellent explanation "cult of personality" etc. You are correct, certainly. But, may be God gave women more motherly intuition than men? May be, may be, we just know somehow and then men put everything into context and certainly ought to command?
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Sorry, again. I have heard in the past priests say the same thing re. Monseñor that Zeitun said. So, not restricted to women! However, as time goes by, these priests, may be by reading/listening carefully (?) to Monseñor, might be changing their minds...
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BTW- I have heard from one who knows him, that Bishop Williamson actually listens to women because he recognizes they have God-given intuition that he, a man, lacks. Let's all we ladies go to war on behalf of His Lordship.
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BTW- I have heard from one who knows him, that Bishop Williamson actually listens to women because he recognizes they have God-given intuition that he, a man, lacks. Let's all we ladies go to war on behalf of His Lordship.
Even Bishop Williamson had a mommy.
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Zeitun, that's so funny :laugh1:. But, at our age, we are all mommies (not Monseñor, certainly!).
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Sorry, meant to write "mummies"
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What's with the thumbs down? Bp. W. DOES listen to women. He listens to Mary, no? Unlike others I can name but won't. If he hadn't listened to his Mum, he wouldn't have lived so long. I'm willing to bet she gave him a good amount of "whoopings" when he was a little shaver. He was probably a handful!
:baby:
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"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; ..."
I might be reading this wrong, but this sure doesn't sound like someone who lives in my part of the world. :cowboy:
I had to read this twice. Duuh.
Now I see, that in Texas everyone's a patriot, everyone's a soldier,
it's always summer and it's always sunshine, and NOBODY shrinks
from ANYTHING in any 'crisis', including but not limited to this crisis,
or the service of his country.
Okay, now I get it. Obviously, T. Paine was not a Texan. :cowboy:
Well, OK. I would have stopped with "it's always summer." : )
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