Author Topic: CathInfo - an apostolate not a club (Read 7545 times)

Matthew · « **on:** September 14, 2013, 05:57:19 AM »

I wanted to respond publicly to the concerns about Tradical.

CathInfo is intended to be not just a Resistance-friendly forum, but an apostolate as well. A Resistance forum needs to keeps its members -- and anonymous guests -- informed about the latest news, as well as the general arguments of the Resistance itself.

I'm not too worried about a little discussion regarding the Resistance. I'm very confident in the truth of the position; I am certain that its purpose can stand up to the light of day. Furthermore, having a devil's advocate around is a good tool to keep one honest. It's beneficial to regularly re-examine your motives and your position. So far, I've been convinced of the merits of the Resistance repeatedly.

I don't believe the online needs of the Resistance are adequately met by a Resistance "club" or mutual admiration society.

Although I wish to have a limited representation from the "anti-Resistance"/"pro-Fellay" camp, I do intend to exclude those who are not the least bit respectful of this forum and/or the Resistance position.

Acceptable: "The Resistance is going to have a hard time raising the funds necessary to establish enough chapels to compete with the SSPX..."
Acceptable: "The Resistance will fail because they can't provide schools and daily Mass."
Acceptable: "The Society making a deal with Rome would not be sinful on anyone's part."

Not Acceptable: "It's all rumors and lies! Rumors and lies! Rumors and lies!" [Excessive emotion and no substance]
Not Acceptable: "CathInfo is a cesspool. You're all going to hell!" [Explosions and name calling]
Not Acceptable: "The Resistance is a bunch of schismatic sedevacantists with a no spiritual lives." [Mindlessly spouting propaganda and buzzwords]

Acceptable statements stimulate and foster discussion; the other kind just clutters up the forum and stokes the emotions (particularly frustration). An active exchange about these issues helps to inform the multitude of guests and members reading the forum. It is certainly beneficial to us, who support the Resistance, to be familiar with the arguments of the opposition and the refutation of those arguments. Let's be realistic: we should encounter plenty of people in our lives who are not fervent Resistance supporters. Shouldn't we have a bit of practice fielding questions and such? It's very helpful to keep in mind when addressing an individual, that many people are reading your posts. You might not change his mind, but you might have "informed" many guests.

As to Tradical specifically, I'm sure some of you are reading this thinking that in one way or another he has already crossed these lines. However, I was not a regular member of Ignis Ardens, and have very limited experience with his posts. I've also never preemptively banned someone due to their activity on other fora. In addition, I have witnessed changes in attitude, maturity, manner of speech, etc. when individuals have moved here from other fora. Long story short: I will only consider CathInfo posts when deciding about anyone's membership here.

As always, my PM box is open for any reports about particular posts.

Charlotte NC Bill · « **Reply #1 on:** September 14, 2013, 09:03:15 AM »

Fellay-bots contribute nothing...And these on-line names are annoying..everyone should be required to give their first name and where they attend Mass....Total anonymity is more suitable to porno sites where the people there are ( rightly ) ashamed of their weakness for smut...what exactly are Catholics afraid of? What are Fellay-bots or, for that matter, real trads afraid of...

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #2 on:** September 14, 2013, 09:48:16 AM »

If we can stand some stinky Novus Ordo propagandist like JayneK, then we should be able to stand an accordista. Look at HER posts and how long she was tolerated before she tried making her dramatic exit thinking people would sympathize with her.

People that are disingenuous end up finding the door here. It's just a matter of when.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #3 on:** September 14, 2013, 11:25:01 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

As to Tradical specifically, I'm sure some of you are reading this thinking that in one way or another he has already crossed these lines. However, I was not a regular member of Ignis Ardens, and have very limited experience with his posts. I've also never preemptively banned someone due to their activity on other fora. In addition, I have witnessed changes in attitude, maturity, manner of speech, etc. when individuals have moved here from other fora. Long story short: I will only consider CathInfo posts when deciding about anyone's membership here.

As always, my PM box is open for any reports about particular posts.

Dear Matthew,

Thanks for starting this thread.

I have not been able to access your PM box in the past so I didn't try today -- or I would have alerted you to the bullying of Tradical.

The attacks upon the soul and motives of the older gentleman known as Tradical have made me physically ill.

I was a regular at IA. I never, ever saw him behaving in anything other than an old-fashioned, polite Catholic man. I may not agree with everything he says, but he has never resorted to the type of vicious hatred displayed by the members who have been bullying him here.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #4 on:** September 14, 2013, 11:50:07 AM »

Elizabeth:

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The attacks upon the soul and motives of the older gentleman known as Tradical have made me physically ill.

I was a regular at IA. I never, ever saw him behaving in anything other than an old-fashioned, polite Catholic man. I may not agree with everything he says, but he has never resorted to the type of vicious hatred displayed by the members who have been bullying him here.

You say "older gentleman?" Ah, there's a clue, perhaps. I never heard him described as an "older gentleman." Do you know him, Elizabeth? It must be me then. I have an aversion to "polite" Catholic men, I guess. :rolleyes:

Zeitun · « **Reply #5 on:** September 14, 2013, 04:20:29 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

Quote from: Matthew

As to Tradical specifically, I'm sure some of you are reading this thinking that in one way or another he has already crossed these lines. However, I was not a regular member of Ignis Ardens, and have very limited experience with his posts. I've also never preemptively banned someone due to their activity on other fora. In addition, I have witnessed changes in attitude, maturity, manner of speech, etc. when individuals have moved here from other fora. Long story short: I will only consider CathInfo posts when deciding about anyone's membership here.

As always, my PM box is open for any reports about particular posts.

Dear Matthew,

Thanks for starting this thread.

I have not been able to access your PM box in the past so I didn't try today -- or I would have alerted you to the bullying of Tradical.

The attacks upon the soul and motives of the older gentleman known as Tradical have made me physically ill.

I was a regular at IA. I never, ever saw him behaving in anything other than an old-fashioned, polite Catholic man. I may not agree with everything he says, but he has never resorted to the type of vicious hatred displayed by the members who have been bullying him here.

You hypocrite! You were one of the gang of 4 who constantly perpetrated ad hominem attacks not just on IA members but on Resistance priests. Your attempts to ingratiate yourself to the moderators of this forum make me physically ill.

How many times have you said that Fr. Pfeiffer was insane? How many times did you slander DMarie?

I take comfort in the knowledge that you will reveal your true self very soon and be banned.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #6 on:** September 14, 2013, 04:35:37 PM »

What are Fellay-bots or, for that matter, real trads afraid of...?

Ax murderers and other internet loonies showing up IRL? It happens.

Novus Weirdo · « **Reply #7 on:** September 14, 2013, 06:07:31 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

Quote from: Matthew

As to Tradical specifically, I'm sure some of you are reading this thinking that in one way or another he has already crossed these lines. However, I was not a regular member of Ignis Ardens, and have very limited experience with his posts. I've also never preemptively banned someone due to their activity on other fora. In addition, I have witnessed changes in attitude, maturity, manner of speech, etc. when individuals have moved here from other fora. Long story short: I will only consider CathInfo posts when deciding about anyone's membership here.

As always, my PM box is open for any reports about particular posts.

Dear Matthew,

Thanks for starting this thread.

I have not been able to access your PM box in the past so I didn't try today -- or I would have alerted you to the bullying of Tradical.

The attacks upon the soul and motives of the older gentleman known as Tradical have made me physically ill.

I was a regular at IA. I never, ever saw him behaving in anything other than an old-fashioned, polite Catholic man. I may not agree with everything he says, but he has never resorted to the type of vicious hatred displayed by the members who have been bullying him here.

I'm sure you also thought such Tradlodytes like Anthony Malleus, St Justin, DNF, and other IA 'regulars' acted as mild-mannered as Tardical. Of course, that was because IA was a Bizarro World Catholic forum. I recall your behavior on IA; it was often less than old lady like.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #8 on:** September 14, 2013, 06:35:43 PM »

NW:

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I'm sure you also thought such Tradlodytes like Anthony Malleus, St Justin, DNF, and other IA 'regulars' acted as mild-mannered as Tardical. Of course, that was because IA was a Bizarro World Catholic forum. I recall your behavior on IA; it was often less than old lady like.

I have nothing against Elizabeth really. She called me a couple of names once or twice, but no matter. But I think it safe to say she was identified with the views of the names you cite above. IA was unmoderated for a long time. It only stood to reason that a few creepy-crawlies would eventually thoroughly saturate that forum. Now one of them is over here. I refer to that "polite Catholic gentleman," of course.

Incredulous · « **Reply #9 on:** September 14, 2013, 06:57:21 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

If we can stand some stinky Novus Ordo propagandist like JayneK, then we should be able to stand an accordista. Look at HER posts and how long she was tolerated before she tried making her dramatic exit thinking people would sympathize with her.

People that are disingenuous end up finding the door here. It's just a matter of when.

So Ignis Ardens shuts down and kicks-out their members.

Now Catholic Info is becoming like South Florida, during the Mariel boatlift.

Castro deported his "undesirables", meaning many criminals and mentally ill came onto our shores.
Jimmy Carter was a liberal wimp and allowed it to happen.

Unless the moderator is strict, you have to expect the mood and tone of the CI neighborhood will be changing.

Zeitun · « **Reply #10 on:** September 14, 2013, 07:03:31 PM »

Anyone who is so inclined can read tradical's blog and he clearly states his age. He is NOT old.

Elizabeth is a liar.

BitDudeX · « **Reply #11 on:** September 14, 2013, 07:57:49 PM »

Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill

Fellay-bots contribute nothing...And these on-line names are annoying..everyone should be required to give their first name and where they attend Mass....Total anonymity is more suitable to porno sites where the people there are ( rightly ) ashamed of their weakness for smut...what exactly are Catholics afraid of? What are Fellay-bots or, for that matter, real trads afraid of...

>Total anonymity is more suitable to porno sites where the people there are ( rightly ) ashamed of their weakness for smut..

You must be joking right?

HAHAHAHA

Elizabeth · « **Reply #12 on:** September 14, 2013, 08:33:23 PM »

Quote from: Zeitun

Quote from: Elizabeth
Quote from: Matthew

As to Tradical specifically, I'm sure some of you are reading this thinking that in one way or another he has already crossed these lines. However, I was not a regular member of Ignis Ardens, and have very limited experience with his posts. I've also never preemptively banned someone due to their activity on other fora. In addition, I have witnessed changes in attitude, maturity, manner of speech, etc. when individuals have moved here from other fora. Long story short: I will only consider CathInfo posts when deciding about anyone's membership here.

As always, my PM box is open for any reports about particular posts.

Dear Matthew,

Thanks for starting this thread.

I have not been able to access your PM box in the past so I didn't try today -- or I would have alerted you to the bullying of Tradical.

The attacks upon the soul and motives of the older gentleman known as Tradical have made me physically ill.

I was a regular at IA. I never, ever saw him behaving in anything other than an old-fashioned, polite Catholic man. I may not agree with everything he says, but he has never resorted to the type of vicious hatred displayed by the members who have been bullying him here.

You hypocrite! You were one of the gang of 4 who constantly perpetrated ad hominem attacks not just on IA members but on Resistance priests. Your attempts to ingratiate yourself to the moderators of this forum make me physically ill.

How many times have you said that Fr. Pfeiffer was insane? How many times did you slander DMarie?

I take comfort in the knowledge that you will reveal your true self very soon and be banned.

Matthew · « **Reply #13 on:** September 14, 2013, 08:39:03 PM »

Quote from: Zeitun

Anyone who is so inclined can read tradical's blog and he clearly states his age. He is NOT old.

Elizabeth is a liar.

The problem is: age is relative.

To a 16 year old, he and I would both be considered "old".

Suffice to say, he's not wet behind the ears.

Matthew · « **Reply #14 on:** September 14, 2013, 08:46:07 PM »

I see we have another fight here --

One thing I'd like to interject is that dmarie is filled with the most INTENSE hatred of CathInfo, probably due to the fact that she was "outed" here a while ago.

Dmarie is the one who had the purported "visions" from the "blessed virgin" involving the SSPX Crisis. First she went to +Fellay, then to +Williamson, basically looking for whoever would believe her. She went online (IA, then CI) posing as someone who WASN'T the seer (because that's always more believable than the seer promoting herself, right?) but then it came out that the seer was none other than Dmarie herself!

She also had several accounts on CI -- a nice, trustworthy thing for the mouthpiece of the "blessed virgin" to do, right?

Long story short, she was outed, NOT banned, and she basically slunk away into the night. She stopped coming here, and stopped posting.

Fast-forward to today -- She is posting stuff so virulent, I couldn't come up with worse things to say about CathInfo if I spent hours brainstorming. But it's no wonder; she's still stinging from the humiliation of being exposed.

But come on! Who's fault is it, really? Is it my fault for running a Catholic forum, or Dmarie's for cooking up the sacrilegious scam to begin with?

If a woman will fake having visions from the Blessed Mother, then she's capable of pretty much anything. And if she'll cook up a massive scam like that -- would she lie about me or CathInfo?

I'll leave the reader to decide.