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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2019, 03:21:19 PM »
#20: Contradiction: (More on "the Right to Know"):

We saw in example #4 of this thread that Bishop Fellay had contradicted Archbishop Lefebvre's pastoral approach to the faithful regarding what the faithful did and did not have a "strict right to know:"

Archbishop Lefebvre:

"They have indeed a strict right to know that the priests who serve them are not in communion with a counterfeit church, promoting evolution, pentecostalism and syncretism."
https://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Archbishop_Lefebvre_and_the_Vatican/Part_I/1988-07-06.htm


Whereas we quoted the SSPX under Bishop Fellay as saying the opposite:

"Non-SSPX members [i.e., the faithful] do not have a strict right to be kept informed about the internal affairs of the SSPX, which is a religious congregation."
https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/%E2%80%9Cneed%E2%80%9D-know-all-vs-peace-soul-3073


Now, we post the declaration of Fr. de Cacqueray (former French District Superior) as showing us what was the attitude of the SSPX in 2008 (i.e., While the ralliement of the SSPX was still in a pre-pubescent stage), where he tells us:

"We must never say these theological discussions are a matter for specialists and do not concern us. It must be emphasized to show that exactly the opposite is the case: because they touch on faith, these issues concern us all, clergy and laity."
-Suresne (French District Headquarters), 12/31/08

French original: http://img91.xooimage.com/files/d/c/7/catechisme_in_fsspx_final-3bdb980.pdf (See #2)

English translation: https://gloria.tv/article/1U7bGzcEc39rCtaRMwZFc3Y9F (See #2)

[NB: This quotation is excerpted from the important work, "Catechism of the Crisis in the SSPX," written by an anonymous priest of the French District, which is available here in entirety in several languages, and should be read by every traditional Catholic: http://www.lasapiniere.info/catechisme-de-la-crise-dans-la-fraternite]

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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2019, 04:08:17 PM »
#21: Contradiction (Still MORE on Doctrinal Pluralism):

Posts #13 and #17 showed Bishop Fellay in both 2012 and 2016 expressing a willingness to put aside doctrinal differences, and hash out a merely practical accord (a pluralism which threatens the faith by suggesting indifferentism).

But here was the position of Bishop Fellay way back in 1995 (only one year after becoming Superior General):

We should expect Rome to try to bring us into a universalist amalgam, where we would end up being offered a place “among others”, a little bit like they are already declaring the Orthodox to be “sister churches”. We can think that the temptation to re-enter “officialdom” could be very great, in proportion to the offers which ecuмenist Rome could offer us; refusing therefore to enter into this confusion, we would be made to look like wicked villains." (Cor Unum, March/1995)
https://gloria.tv/article/1U7bGzcEc39rCtaRMwZFc3Y9F

However, by no later than 2012 the bishop had already abandoned his former position, and capitulated to the very "temptation" he prophesied in 1995.

Meanwhile, the Resistance, retaining Bishop Fellay's 1995 position, has indeed been made to look like "wicked villains."


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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2019, 06:28:04 AM »
#22: Compromise (Religious Liberty):

In a May 11, 2012 interview given to the Catholic News Service (CNS), Bishop Fellay explains his view on Dignitatis Humanae (the Vatican II docuмent on so-called "religious liberty"), beginning at minute 1:25:

"Religious liberty is used in so many ways, and looking closer I really have the impression that not many know what really the council says about it. The council is presenting a religious liberty which in fact was a very, very limited one, very limited. It would, in our talks with Rome they clearly said that, to mean that there would be a right to error or a right to choose each one its religious -  religion - is false."



That statement -which was cause for immediate scandal among SSPX clergy and faithful- is unacceptable, because Bishop Fellay seems to suggest that if "religious liberty" is "very, very limited" then it would be implicitly acceptable.

Bishop Fellay's statement is also suggestive of the idea that perhaps the SSPX itself has been mistaken in its understanding of Dignitatis Humanae and religious liberty.

Yet the Angelus Press website, in the advertisement for Archbishop Lefebvre's "Religious Liberty Questioned" (quoting the Archbishop) lays out quite clearly:

"Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop Tissier de Mallerais meticulously explore the question of religious liberty and give a crystal clear picture of what the Church has always taught, what the Second Vatican Council taught, and how they are contradictory...That is why, personally, I do not believe that the declarations of the Council on liberty of conscience, liberty of thought, and liberty of religion can be compatible with what the popes taught in the past. Therefore we have to choose. Either we choose what the popes have taught for centuries and we choose the Church or we choose what was said by the Council. But we cannot choose both at the same time since they are contradictory. --Archbishop Lefebvre, Religious Liberty Questioned"
https://angeluspress.org/products/religious-liberty-questioned-dubia

One more observation:

Bishop Fellay also recounts how Rome told the SSPX during the doctrinal discussions that it is a false understanding of DH to say that it taught there was a "right to error."

Yet he (and Rome) seem to forget how, after the promulgation of Dignitatis Humanae, the Holy See modified all its concordats still in force with the few remaining officially Catholic (i.e., "confessional") states, so that countries like Italy, Spain, Columbia, etc. all were forced to remove or modify their constitutions to permit religious liberty.  Where these states had formerly declared the Catholic religion the official religion of the state, and precluded public proselytism of the false sects, the state after Dignitatis Humanae, through the action of the Vatican, became officially laicized and religiously indifferent.
(See for example: Davies, Michael.  The Second Vatican Council and Religious Liberty: Appendix III.  pp. 275-282.  Neumann Press).

Yet Bishop Fellay wanted to believe (and wanted you to believe) the Romans when they said DH taught no right to error, when it was these same Romans who destroyed the last of the Catholic governments to bring them into compliance with DH's religious liberty?

"Very, very limited" indeed!

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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2019, 02:53:17 PM »
#23: Contradiction (The sales pitch: "A new situation in Rome?"):

In October/2011, the major superiors of the SSPX (excluding Bishop Williamson) assembled in Albano, Italy to consider a Roman proposal for the "regularization of the SSPX."  At that meeting, Bishop de Galarreta distributed a remarkable paper which was titled "Reflections on a Roman Proposal," in which he stated, in a section titled "Entry Into Contradiction:"

"To move towards a practical agreement would be to deny our word and our commitments to our priests, our faithful, and Rome in front of everyone. This would have hugely negative consequences ad intra and ad extra. There is no change in the doctrinal point of view from Rome that would justify ours. On the contrary, the discussions have shown they will not accept anything in our criticisms.  It would be absurd for us to go in the direction of a practical agreement after the result of discussions and findings."
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/reflections-on-a-roman-proposal-(full-text)/

This warning represented a clear recognition that accepting such a proposal would be tantamount to abandoning the position of Archbishop Lefebvre since the time of the 1988 episcopal consecrations.

What was Bishop Fellay's response?

A few months later, in the March/2012 Cor Unum, Bishop Fellay wrote to his priests explaining that there was a new situation in the Church with the hierarchy favoring Tradition and therefore:

"If this is true, and I am convinced of it, this requires that we take up a new position with respect to the official Church...This is the context in which it is advisable to ask the question about some form of recognition of the Society by the official Church."
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/cor-unum-march-2012-bishop-fellay-to-sspx-members/

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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2019, 04:23:23 PM »
#24: Contradiction (More Bishop Fellay vs ABL on Vatican II):

In his response to the Letter of the Three Bishops, Bishop Fellay rebuked them for exaggerating the extent and seriousness of the conciliar errors:

"Within the Society, some are making the conciliar errors into super heresies, absolute evil, worse than anything, in the same way that the liberals have dogmatized this pastoral council. The evils are sufficiently dramatic; there is hardly any reason to exaggerate them further."
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/05/letter-of-general-council-of-society-of.html

Had the three bishops made too much about the errors of Vatican II?

We have already seen what Archbishop Lefebvre had to say regarding the severity and magnitude of the conciliar errors"

"Without rejecting this Council wholesale, I think that it is the greatest disaster of this century and of all the past centuries, since the founding of the Church."
https://www.angelus.online/en_US/8362/120253/a_matter_of_principle.html

Clearly, Bishop Fellay was no longer on the same page as the Archbishop regarding Vatican II.