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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #75 on: March 16, 2019, 03:30:53 PM »
#75: Contradiction (95%):

On May 11, 2001 Bishop Fellay gave an interview to the Swiss newspaper La Liberté, in which the following exchange transpired:

Bishop Fellay: "But some bishops rightly perceive in the freedom granted to the former Mass a questioning of the post-conciliar reforms."

La Liberté: "Questioning that you continue to wish for?"

Bishop Fellay: "This gives the impression that we reject everything about Vatican II. However, we keep 95% of it. It is more to a spirit that we are opposed to, to an attitude towards change as a postulate: everything changes in the world, so the Church must change.

That interview, formerly available here, has (like so many others in this thread) been "memory-holed:" https://fsspx.org/fr/organisation/supgen/entretiens-mgr-fellay/a_une-interview-de-mgr-fellay

Fortunately, it is still available on Cathinfo, in both French and English, here: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bp-fellays-2001-interview-by-la-liberte/

Was this the position of Archbishop Lefebvre?  Did he believe there were only a few problems with Vatican II, which were in any case limited more to a spirit of the Council, rather than the Council docuмents?

To advance that notion would be completely ridiculous, in the face of a veritable litany of sermons and interviews, of which the following would be representative of Lefebvre's thought on Vatican II (and which runs directly contrary to Bishop Fellay's statement above):

"Vatican II is profoundly wrong

This fight between the Church and the liberals and modernism is the fight over Vatican II. It is as simple of that. And the consequences are far-reaching.

The more one analyzes the docuмents of Vatican II, and the more one analyzes their interpretation by the authorities of the Church, the more one realizes that what is at stake is not merely superficial errors, a few mistakes, ecuмenism, religious liberty, collegiality, a certain Liberalism, but rather a wholesale perversion of the mind, a whole new philosophy based on modern philosophy, on subjectivism...So, they are no small errors. We are not dealing in trifles. We are into a line of philosophical thinking that goes back to Kant, Descartes, the whole line of modern philosophers who paved the way for the Revolution."


[Obitur Dictum: For an interesting letter to Bishop Fellay regarding his 95% comment, see here for the response of Fr. Basilio Meramo to Bishop Fellay upon his expulsion: https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f032ht_ExpulsionReply.htm]

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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2019, 08:22:30 AM »
#76: Compromise (Hermeneutic of Continuity):

In the summer of 2009, Bishop Tissier de Mallerais had just completed writing a 140 page masterpiece, analyzing the mind and thinking of Pope Benedict XVI titled Faith Imperiled by Reason (of which the entire docuмent is attached below), which roundly exposed the Hegelian philosophical errors that had infected Benedict since his early days as a priest, and consequently how the "thesis + antithesis = synthesis" accounted for liberalism in theology.

Perhaps the clearest example of this Hegelial "synthesizing" in action are Benedict XVI's plans for the Roman Missal.  Already in 2003, he had implied a future synthesis of the two rites in a letter to a German college professor:

"I believe that in the long term the Roman Church must have a single Roman Rite...The Roman Rite of the future should be a single rite, celebrated in Latin or in vernacular, but standing completely in the tradition of the rite that has been handed down"
https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f019ht_HybridMass_Arnold.htm

By 2007, this mangled mind had already evolved, and begun synthesizing, as is clear in the motu proprio Summorum Pontificuм, in which Benedict no longer perceives two distinct rites as he did in 2003, but rather, one right with two usages: An "ordinary" and an "extraordinary."
https://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/motu_proprio/docuмents/hf_ben-xvi_motu-proprio_20070707_summorum-pontificuм.html

Moreover, in the letter which accompanied Summorum Pontificuм, the "synthesizing" continued, with Benedict XVI announcing he would like to see elements of the old usage "enriched" with elements of the new:

"For that matter, the two Forms of the usage of the Roman Rite can be mutually enriching: new Saints and some of the new Prefaces can and should be inserted in the old Missal.  The “Ecclesia Dei” Commission, in contact with various bodies devoted to the usus antiquior, will study the practical possibilities in this regard."
http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/letters/2007/docuмents/hf_ben-xvi_let_20070707_lettera-vescovi.html

It was necessary to provide this digression, in order that the reader clearly perceive the destructive force of "the traditional" Benedict XVI's corrupted intellect, because in what has become known as the "hermeneutic of continuity," Benedict XVI had proposed to apply this Hegelian hermeneutic of reconciling opposites to the entire conciliar and post-conciliar reform, which would effectively hide or mask the doctrinal deviations of the past 55-60 years, and through synthesis, demonstrate a perverted and false "continuity."

Consequently, Bishop Tissier de Mallerais's book was a tremendous service to the Church, and a bulwark against the progression of conciliar corruption.  That being the case, one would have expected the SSPX to give it worldwide publicity, publish it in multiple languages, and shout its contents from the rooftops.

But alas, this was 2009, in the era of ralliement, and that kind of publicity was reserved for books tending in the opposite direction (e.g., The book tours organized for Fr. Celier's "Benedict XVI and the Traditionalists" by the French District recounted in post #69).  With Benedict showing so much "tradition," how could the SSPX publish a book irrefutable demonstrating, exposing, and refuting his rank liberalism?  What would be the consequences for the ralliement?  Why, Pope Benedict might be led to believe that there was resistance within the SSPX to being "synthesized" into conciliar "conservatives!

The result was death by silence.  So far as I am aware, the book was not actively suppressed, as in the case of Fr. Pivert's book (discussed in post #38 of this thread).  But with the savaging of Bishop Williamson in full swing at the time of its publication, taking action against yet another SSPX bishop may have seemed perhaps too vulgar and risky a display of power.  And what would happen if it induced Bishop Tissier to "team up" with Bishop Williamson?  That could set the ralliement back decades!  Best to just let Bishop Tissier do his writing, but give it no fanfare.  It was, after all, an intellectual work.  Few would read it.  There were no pictures.  Soon enough, it would fade from memory in all but a few staunch Lefebvrists, whom the Society desired to purge from its ranks and pews anyway.

But it was less than three years later, after the failed (?) doctrinal discussions of 2009-2011, the SSPX had received a secret "doctrinal preamble" which, among several other odious provisions, asked the SSPX to consent to what was essentially the very same "hermeneutic of continuity" rejected by Bishop Tissier, and the SSPX as a whole in former times (For example, see this pre-2012 memory-holed article titled "Hermeneutic of the Hermeneutic of Continuity", originally available here: http://www.sspxseminary.org/component/content/article/6/502.html, but fortunately retained here: http://tradicat.blogspot.com/2014/08/hermeneutic-of-hermeneutic-of.html, which is well worth taking the time to read).

That preamble (more commonly known as the April 15, 2012 Doctrinal Declaration) contained these provision:

"The entire tradition of Catholic Faith must be the criterion and guide in understanding the teaching of the Second Vatican Council, which, in turn, enlightens - in other words deepens and subsequently makes explicit -  certain aspects of the life and doctrine of the Church implicitly present within itself or not yet conceptually formulated.

The affirmations of the Second Vatican Council and of the later Pontifical Magisterium relating to the relationship between the Church and the non-Catholic Christian confessions, as well as the social duty of religion and the right to religious liberty, whose formulation is with difficulty reconcilable with prior doctrinal affirmations from the Magisterium, must be understood in the light of the whole, uninterrupted Tradition, in a manner coherent with the truths previously taught by the Magisterium of the Church, without accepting any interpretation of these affirmations whatsoever that would expose Catholic doctrine to opposition or rupture with Tradition and with this Magisterium."
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bp-fellay-april-15th-declaration-do-you-know-whats-in-it/

And with a stroke of the pen, Bishop Fellay had accepted Benedict XVI's "hermeneutic of continuity."

Subsequent protestations to the contrary are devoid of value, because actions speak louder than words.  

Neither does it matter that, upon seeing the ensuing furor and division which had arisen within the ranks of the SSPX, Benedict rejected Bishop Fellay's signature, and presented him a counter-offer he knew the bishop must reject (i.e., so as to give Bishop Fellay the appearance of being the one doing the rejecting, and therefore still traditional, ,in order to preserve his authority: Rome did not want to lose its man at the forthcoming General Chapter a few months down the road, and endanger the planned ralliement).

What matters is not that, by Rome's rejection, this Doctrinal Declaration and its "hermeneutic of continuity" failed to become official SSPX policy, but that as Fr. Cottier wrote upon the fall of Campos, "However, we must not be in a hurry. What is important is that in their hearts there no longer be rejection. Communion found again in the Church has an internal dynamism of its own that will mature."
http://archives.sspx.org/sspx_and_rome/what_catholics_need_to_know.htm

Bishop Fellays signature showed incontrovertibly that indeed, there had been a "maturation," and that there was no longer any "rejection."

100 articles to the contrary will not be able to hide the act of his signature to the Doctrinal Declaration, because once again, actions speak louder than words.


Obitur Dictum: Shortly after the 2009 publication of Bishop Tissier's Faith Imperiled by Reason, he published another slightly larger work on the same subject, but more focused on the Pope's theology, called The Strange Theology of Benedict XVI.  That book has not been translated into English, but a summary of it by Don Curzio Nitoglia can be machine translated here: http://www.doncurzionitoglia.com/monstissier_falsa_teologia_bxvi.htm


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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2019, 09:25:40 PM »
#77: Contradiction (The Danger of Schism):

In April/2014, Fr. Michel Simoulin wrote an article titled Avoiding a False Spirit of Resistance.  It was more or less a collection of justifications for chasing after a practical accord, regardless of the state of modernist Rome.  One of the arguments adduced by Fr. Simoulin was an alleged danger of schism:

"And now we must open our eyes to another danger, that is not hypothetical, but very real: that of no longer wishing to return to our legitimate place among the societies recognized by Rome, of losing the desire for the Church and for Rome. No longer desiring a normal relation with Rome and the Church is a shadow of the schismatic spirit."
https://sspx.ca/en/news-events/news/avoiding-false-spirit-resistance-3764

But Archbishop Lefebvre never expressed such worries.  Quite the opposite, in fact.  In an interview with Fideliter one year after the consecrations, Archbishop Lefebvre responded to a question on this very point:

"4: Danger of schism?

Question: Are you not afraid that in the end, when the good Lord will have called you to Him, little by little the split will grow wider and we will find ourselves being confronted with a parallel Church alongside what some call the "visible Church"?

Archbishop Lefebvre: This talk about the "visible Church" on the part of Dom Gerard and Mr. Madiran is childish. It is incredible that anyone can talk of the "visible Church", meaning the Conciliar Church as opposed to the Catholic Church which we are trying to represent and continue. I am not saying that we are the Catholic Church. I have never said so. No one can reproach me with ever having wished to set myself up as pope. But, we truly represent the Catholic Church such as it was before, because we are continuing what it always did. It is we who have the notes of the visible Church: One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. That is what makes the visible Church."

Thus, for Fr. Simoulin, resistance can only continue for so long before becoming schismatic.  

Fortunately for us, St. Athanasius and Archbishop Lefebvre did not agree.

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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #78 on: March 18, 2019, 01:00:46 PM »
#78: Compromise (Eroding Conditions - Part II: From 4 Bishops to 1?):

In post #28, we saw that the SSPX 2012 General Chapter has produced a list of three allegedly absolutely essential conditions (and three merely "desirable" conditions, which means they were no conditions at all), to be fulfilled before executing a canonical agreement with unconverted Rome.  We saw that already by 2017, with the acceptance of the new "pastoral guidelines" regulating SSPX marriages, the second of the three "absolutely essential" conditions (i.e., Retaining current sacramental practice, including marriage) had been voluntarily sacrificed.  Subsequently, we saw in post #33 that the two remaining (allegedly) absolutely essential conditions had been replaced by a single new absolutely essential condition: To survive "as we are."

So in the space of just a few short years, the Society had gone from complete freedom for integral Tradition, to a state of bartering for it on the basis of 6 conditions, which were really only three conditions, one of which was soon jettisoned to reduce the operative conditions to two, and which was eventually further whittled down to a solitary purely defensive condition to survive "as we are."

The reader of this thread can decide for himself whether the SSPX has also surrendered this lone remaining condition as well.

But returning to the original three 2012 "absolutely essential" conditions, it is disturbing to see the diplomatic weakness evident in what the SSPX was willing to concede in condition three:

"3. The guarantee of at least one bishop."
[Not surprisingly, the SSPX has also memory-holed yet another piece of evidence of compromise, as this page is no longer up: https://sspx.org/en/SSPX_FAQs/sspx_2012_general_chapter.htm  However, the conditions are preserved here: https://www.therecusant.com/2012chapter-six-conditions]

Stephen Fox, in his e-book "Is this Operation ѕυιcιdє" comments on this concession:

"Condition 3 (the guarantee of at least one bishop) means that the Society could be "reduced" to only one bishop and is concerning in view of the position of Rome that the position of the 'other 3 bishops' will be dealt with separately." (p. 14)
https://www.cathinfo.com/files/operation-ѕυιcιdє-20121029.pdf
https://isthisoperationѕυιcιdє.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/operation-ѕυιcιdє-published-20121029.pdf

In defense of this foolish condition/concession, the SSPX championed an article by Brian Mershon, in which he gives the SSPX rationale for this condition:

"In 1988, Rome in practice did not act according to this commitment and gave the Archbishop reasonable grounds for concluding that the promise of a bishop had not been and would not in any reasonable time frame be met. All the Chapter does here is repeat the same requirement of Archbishop Lefebvre. They do not in any way suggest that their action would differ from his if, in fact, the Roman authorities of today repeated the behavior of those in 1988 (recognizing that one of them is the same person, the present Holy Father)."
http://archives.sspx.org/sspx_and_rome/wrong_or_right_conditions_for_the_sspxs_future10-2-2012.htm

There are a number of problems with Mr. Mershon's defense, the biggest of which seems to be a loss of historical context surrounding the episcopal consecrations: Why does he think that after originally requesting a single bishop from Rome, the Archbishop ended up consecrating four?  The answer is because what caused him to consecrate against the Pope's "no" was because Rome's stalling tactics caused him to discern that Rome was not acting in good faith.  

In other words, so long as the benefit of the doubt regarding Rome's intentions toward Tradition and the SSPX could be plausibly defended, the Archbishop could be satisfied with just one bishop: A Rome well-disposed toward Tradition could always give them another when needed.  But a Rome ill-disposed toward Tradition, which was simply waiting for him to die (and Tradition with it), called for another strategy altogether.  It called for "Operation Survival," whereby multiple consecrations would preserve the principle of continuity and perpetuity of Tradition.  

So historical context provides the explanation (and necessity) of Archbishop Lefebvre's change in strategy, and the number of bishops he deemed necessary to preserve Tradition and the SSPX.

Consequently, it stands to reason that, if Rome is still ill-disposed toward Tradition (as Bishop Fellay sometimes admits, in order to appear appease the troops and faithful: "Here we are then, at Easter 2013, and the situation in the Church remains almost unchanged."  https://sspx.org/en/publications/letters/april-2013-superior-generals-letter-80-1856), then voluntarily consenting to be reduced to a single bishop on the basis of a pre-1988 Lefebvre who at the time of the 1987 Protocol was still willing to allow for the possibility of goodwill in Rome ("I hoped until the last minute that in Rome we would witness a little bit of loyalty."  https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/archbishop-lefebvre-said-what-separated-sspx-from-rome-in-1991/), is completely inadmissible.  


Obitur Dictum: I can no longer find  the Fideliter #79 (January - February 1991) on SSPX.org.  Can you?

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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2019, 10:19:14 PM »
#79: Compromise (En Route to the Vernacular Hybrid?):

On February 24, 2014 Bishop Peter Elliott (Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Melbourne Australia) wrote of the following interesting "dialogue" with Bishop Fellay and some priests of the SSPX:

"Let us be realistic. If you want the Extraordinary Form to become the Ordinary Form, reflect on the millions of people who come to vernacular Masses in our parishes around the world, in many countries and cultures. Would they easily embrace a Latin Low Mass with a server answering? And let us not forget the priests. This is why some pastoral realism is required. But let me put out a challenge - a reform of the Extraordinary Form would first be required - and I note that this has been suggested in terms of the Vatican Council’s “full, active and conscious participation.”

We know would that reform would look like. We already have it at our fingertips. It would be a Latin dialogue Mass, said or sung ad orientem, with the readings in the vernacular. Then questions arise about some other changes set out in Sacrosanctum Concilium. In the context of the wider Church another issue inevitably emerges: could the Extraordinary Form be said or sung in the vernacular?

Several years ago I was surprised to hear this proposed during dialogue over lunch with Bishop Fellay and Australian priests of the Society of St Pius X."


Well, we know that Bishop Fellay was quite pleased with Summorum Pontificuм, and that in both the letter to the bishops which accompanied the promulgation of the motu proprio, as well as in a later 2011 letter on the application of the motu proprio authorized by Benedict XVI, it is stated:

25. New saints and certain of the new prefaces can and ought to be inserted into the 1962 Missal[9], according to provisions which will be indicated subsequently.

26. As foreseen by article 6 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм, the readings of the Holy Mass of the Missal of 1962 can be proclaimed either solely in the Latin language, or in Latin followed by the vernacular or, in Low Masses, solely in the vernacular.

27. With regard to the disciplinary norms connected to celebration, the ecclesiastical discipline contained in the Code of Canon Law of 1983 applies.

What could be clearer?

The apprehension anti-conciliarists entertain about a forthcoming hybrid Mass is anything BUT irrational conspiracy theory.

It is a stated fact by the Holy Father!

Now, if Bishop Fellay does not oppose such innovations as a vernacular TLM, then what is to impede Rome from implementing these foreseen norms and applying them to the SSPX?  

All that is really necessary on Bishop Fellay's part is to be patient enough to condition minds to accept it, and those measures have been underway for quite some time:

The inclusion of hymnal books in the pews and sermons encouraging congregational singing; the proliferation of dialogue Masses throughout the SSPX school systems; modifications regarding the postures of the faithful concordant with congregational singing; and even various experimental measures in the most liberal parishes (e.g., Sanford, FL), where the choir leader is positioned at the communion rail versus populum (thereby converting the entire congregation into a choir); the reading of the epistle and Gospel in the vernacular only in various parts of France; etc.

All these emphases tend to reinforce a conciliar notion of "active participation," and once that attitude is inculcated, why, the vernacular is only natural.  After all, the people are not Latinists!

All signs point toward a meeting of the minds of Benedict XVI/Francis and Bishop Fellay on this subject, which makes the advent of the hybrid as predictable as it is inevitable.