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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2019, 09:53:34 PM »
#5: Contradiction (Bishop de Galarreta vs Bishop de Galarreta):

On the matter of a practical accord with unconverted Rome, Bishop de Galarreta contradicted himself in only one years' time:

Initially ruling out a merely practical accord, the bishop in 2011 said:

"Following the Roman proposal, the real question, crucial, is: should we, can we, we take the path of a "possible" practical agreement first? Is it prudent and appropriate to maintain contacts with Rome leading to such an agreement? As far as I am concerned, the answer is clear: we must refuse this path because we cannot do something evil so that a good (a good which is, moreover, uncertain) can come from it, and also because this would necessarily bring about evils (very certain) for the common good that we possess, namely that of the Society and of the family of Tradition. [...] How then does this not go against the defence and public confession of faith, against the public need to protect the faithful and the Church? In this regard, if we make a purely practical agreement we are, in the present circuмstances, already engaging in duplicity and ambiguity. The very fact is a public testimony and a message: we cannot be in "full communion" with the authorities who remain modernists."
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/reflections-on-a-roman-proposal-(full-text)/


Very good!

But only one year later, the exact opposite:


"The Society’s position is much more precise and clear now than it was six months ago; it is much better, for we do not exclude the possibility of Providence choosing to bring about a return to the Faith through conversion [on the Part of Rome, presumably – Ed.] We have simply said: if there is not firstly a return on the part of Rome or of the next Pope to Tradition [...] but if this Pope wishes simply to allow Tradition, what are the conditions that would allow us to accept a canonical normalization, in view of the good that we could do in the Church and this good is considerable? We must not deny this possibility.”
http://archives.sspx.org/sspx_and_rome/bishop_de_galarreta_conference_10-13-2012.htm


The SSPX had "recovered its profound unity" at the chapter, putting the company ahead of the Faith.

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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2019, 10:12:21 PM »
#6: Contradiction (Bishop Fellay Suicidal?)

From a February/2009 interview with The Remnant regarding autonomy from the diocesan bishops:

"Brian Mershon: Do you foresee any oversight by territorial diocesan bishops once the Society is regularized?
Bp. Fellay: That would be our death.”
https://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2009-mershon-interview-fellay.htm

Three years later, Bishop Fellay had apparently lost his fear of death:

Bishop Fellay: "It is still true—since it is Church law—that in order to open a new chapel or to found a work, it would be necessary to have the permission of the local ordinary. We have quite obviously reported to Rome how difficult our present situation was in the dioceses, and Rome is still working on it. Here or there, this difficulty will be real, but since when is life without difficulties?"
http://archives.sspx.org/superior_generals_news/bishop_fellay_dici_interview_about_rome_6-8-2012.htm





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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2019, 10:22:21 PM »
#7: Contradiction (Bishop Fellay vs Archbishop Lefebvre on Vatican II):

Archbishop Lefebvre blames the Council:

"Without rejecting this Council wholesale, I think that it is the greatest disaster of this century and of all the past centuries, since the founding of the Church."
https://www.angelus.online/en_US/8362/120253/a_matter_of_principle.html


Bishop Fellay excuses or downplays the Council:

"I think, we see that many things which we would have condemned as being from the council are in fact not from the council, but the common understanding of it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=74&v=DdnJigNzTuY

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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2019, 06:03:01 AM »
#8: Contradiction: (A Deal with Unconverted and Modernist Rome?):

Archbishop Lefebvre:

"It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the Tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith.”  (Spiritual Journey, p. 13)

vs

Bishop Fellay (speaking of his discussions with modernist Rome in his 2/2/12 Winona sermon):

"We told them very clearly, if you accept us as is, without change, without obliging us to accept these things, then we are ready."
http://archives.sspx.org/superior_generals_news/bishop_fellay_sermon_february_2_2012.htm

This very thread will suffice to demonstrate that the SSPX has not been accepted as they are, but has instead undergone a radical transformation in pursuit of a canonical regularization.

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Re: Catalog of Compromise, Change, and Contradiction in the SSPX
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2019, 06:13:56 AM »
#9: Change (Is Vatican II Part of Tradition?)

Archbishop Lefebvre commenting on a statement of Cardinal Suenens:

"It was Cardinal Suenens who exclaimed, “Vatican II is the French Revolution in the Church” and among other unguarded declarations he added “One cannot understand the French or the Russian revolutions unless one knows something of the old regimes which they brought to an end… It is the same in church affairs: a reaction can only be judged in relation to the state of things that preceded it”. What preceded, and what he considered due for abolition, was that wonderful hierarchical construction culminating in the Pope, the Vicar of Christ on earth. He continued: “The Second Vatican Council marked the end of an epoch; and if we stand back from it a little more we see it marked the end of a series of epochs, the end of an age”.

vs

Bishop Fellay in response to a question from the CNS as to whether Vatican II formed part of Catholic Tradition:

"I would hope so,” he said, when asked if Vatican II itself belongs to Catholic tradition...The pope says that . . . the council must be put within the great tradition of the church, must be understood in accordance with it. These are statements we fully agree with, totally, absolutely,” the bishop said.
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/05/fellay-speaks-to-usbishopss-catholic.html

NB: As we shall see later, this same response from Bishop Fellay evinces an acceptance of the "hermeneutic of continuity."