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"Unilateral"? For whom?

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Cardinal Müller Expects SSPX to Recognize Disputed Council Teachings
Posted by Edward Pentin on Tuesday May 24th, 2016 at 5:29 PM

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Cardinal Gerhard Müller has said he expects the Society of St. Pius X, which has always opposed the Second Vatican Council's declarations on religious freedom and ecuмenism, to “unreservedly recognize” freedom of religion as a human right, and an obligation to ecuмenism.

In an interview in the June edition of the German publication Herder Korrespondenz, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith said that if one “wants to be fully Catholic, one must recognize the Pope and the Second Vatican Council.”

Cardinal Müller said he expects a recognition of all the Council declarations that deal with these issues, according to the interview, reported on the Austrian Catholic website, Kathpress, May 24.

His comments come after reports that the Society of St. Pius X, which continues to oppose key teachings of the Second Vatican Council regarding ecuмenism, freedom of religion and aspects of liturgical reform, may be close to being recognized by the Holy See.

In 1988, the Society’s founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, ordained four bishops against the express wish of Pope St. John Paul II. All five incurred automatic excommunication and, although Benedict XVI lifted them in 2009, the society has remained in a canonically irregular situation.

Earlier this month, the SSPX’s superior general, Bishop Bernard Fellay, told the Register that some in Rome were signaling to the Society that it was now possible to question the Council’s teachings on these issues “and remain Catholic.”

“That means, also, the criteria they would impose on us, to have us prove to them that we are Catholic, will no longer be these points,” he said. “That, to us, would be very important.”

Furthermore, he stressed that Rome had two different approaches: “We have to distinguish the position of the Pope which is one thing, and then the position of the CDF,” said Bishop Fellay, who also insisted the SSPX would not compromise on its position. “They don’t have the same approach but have the same conclusion which is: Let’s finish the problem by giving recognition to the Society.”

He added that he was “persuaded, at least in part, by a different approach” that meant giving “less importance to the problem which we consider important, which is the Council: that means by lessening the binding of the Council.” The Pope, Bishop Fellay said, sees doctrine as “quite an obstacle in dealing with people” and, in his wish to see “everybody saved”,  unties a secure rope “to get to us.”

But Cardinal Müller, whose insistence on the SSPX adhering to the Council's teaching is clearly more pronounced than that of the Holy Father, told Herder Korrespondenz that one cannot discount the Council as “only pastoral chatter" just because it adopted no binding dogmas.

The CDF prefect said that no pope has ever proclaimed Christ's Resurrection as an ex cathedra [infallible] dogma, and yet it “belongs in the center of the creed, it is the foundation.”

“Key statements, even if they are not proclaimed ex cathedra [infallible], are, for us Catholics, still essential,” he said, adding that it is “not acceptable to take one and reject the other."

Cardinal Müller also said in the interview that one must not be fascinated by every homily from a bishop or pope. Only the magisterium, which is a declaration of faith, needs to be accepted, the cardinal stressed, according to the Kathpress report.

"Religious freedom as a fundamental human right and freedom to protect religion regarding the supernatural revelation in Jesus Christ are recognized by every Catholic without reservation", he said in reference to the relevant Council declarations.

The recognition of the Second Vatican Council is "not an unreasonably high hurdle” to overcome, he said, adding that it was rather “the adequate remedy to enter into full communion with the Pope and the bishops in communion with him.”

The CDF prefect further asserted that Pope Francis’ relationship to the SSPX does not differ from that of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI. "He sees this and similar groups as Catholic, but still on the way towards full Catholic unity."

Earlier this month, Pope Francis hinted reconciliation could be close, telling the French Catholic daily La Croix May 16 that the SSPX are “Catholics on the way to full communion” and that “good dialogue and good work are taking place.”

He also received Bishop Fellay for the first time in a private audience last month, and told La Croix he is “a man with whom one can dialogue.”

Last year, the Pope made his first overture to the Society by announcing that SSPX confessions would be valid and licit during and after the Jubilee Year of Mercy. Until that time, Rome considered them as canonically invalid because they lacked the necessary jurisdiction.
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Offline Neil Obstat

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Cardinal Mller Expects SSPX to Recognize Disputed Council Teachings
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2016, 11:00:22 PM »
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  • It never ceases to amaze me how these guys get things so twisted:

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    The CDF prefect said that no pope has ever proclaimed Christ's Resurrection as an ex cathedra [infallible] dogma, and yet it “belongs in the center of the creed, it is the foundation.”

    Nor has any pope ever proclaimed the identity of the 12 Apostles or that Jesus made water become wine at the wedding in Cana.

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    “Key statements, even if they are not proclaimed ex cathedra [infallible], are, for us Catholics, still essential,” he said, adding that it is “not acceptable to take one and reject the other."

    Sorry, but religious liberty was never a teaching of the Church prior to Vat.II (as of the introduction of Dignitatis humanae, specifically), but the resurrection of Our Lord and the miracle at Cana go back to Apostolic times (not to mention the fact that they're scriptural, and religious liberty is NOT scriptural).

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    Cardinal Müller also said in the interview that one must not be fascinated by every homily from a bishop or pope.

    Read -- the cardinal is envious that listeners are fascinated by the sermons that others give, but not by his own.

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    Only the magisterium, which is a declaration of faith, needs to be accepted, the cardinal stressed, according to the Kathpress report.

    Religious freedom is not a doctrine of Catholic Magisterium through the ages (surprise, surprise -- fascinating, no?).

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    "Religious freedom as a fundamental human right and freedom to protect religion regarding the supernatural revelation in Jesus Christ are recognized by every Catholic without reservation", he said in reference to the relevant Council declarations.

    The freedom to protect religion regarding supernatural revelation in Jesus Christ is ONE thing, and religious freedom as a fundamental human right is quite ANOTHER thing, altogether.  

    More shock and awe for the Cardinal!!  Maybe if he tried speaking God's Truth then his listeners would start getting fascinated for a change.

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    Cardinal Mller Expects SSPX to Recognize Disputed Council Teachings
    « Reply #2 on: May 24, 2016, 11:45:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora

    Cardinal Gerhard Müller has said he expects the Society of St. Pius X, which has always opposed the Second Vatican Council's declarations on religious freedom and ecuмenism, to “unreservedly recognize” freedom of religion as a human right, and an obligation to ecuмenism.



    YES!

    Please let this be true, please let this be true!

    It would give Bp. Fellay a legitimate reason to be "forced" to say "no deal."


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    « Reply #3 on: May 25, 2016, 12:09:34 AM »
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  • one Cardinal in the CDF in charge of Ecclesia Dei says the Society can now be recognized as is, keeping its positions on V2.  Imminent regularization is widely reported.

    Weeks later the HEAD of the CDF contradicts the cardinal's statement, saying the Society must accept religious liberty and ecuмenism with no reservation.

    And this kind of contradiction from the Vatican on the eve of SSPX regularization just keeps on happening.  Talk about ecclesiastical gaslighting.

    Kyrie eleison.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 25, 2016, 01:21:05 AM »
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  • Does anyone have the photo-shop image of Bp. Fellay and Fr. Pfluger hanging on the Cardinal?



    That image said it all.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Cardinal Mller Expects SSPX to Recognize Disputed Council Teachings
    « Reply #5 on: May 25, 2016, 03:34:34 AM »
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  • The Bible which is the word God tells us that religious liberty and ecuмenical ism
    Are false teachings because we are to spread the Gospel in order to convert all people.
    God's commandments tells us that there is to be no ecuмenicism.
    May God bless you and keep you

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    « Reply #6 on: May 25, 2016, 03:38:06 AM »
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  • Abp Lefebvre rejected the False Ecuмenism at the Council. This has to be empty speculation by the Cardinal. There might be some form of words which denote some sort of willingness to 'reflect' on the teachings, but recognition of the False Ecuмenism won't happen.

    edit: pace Cardinal Muller in that photo. At least he isn't gαy like half of them. An advance surely?

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    « Reply #7 on: May 25, 2016, 06:04:23 AM »
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    Abp Lefebvre rejected the False Ecuмenism at the Council. This has to be empty speculation by the Cardinal. There might be some form of words which denote some sort of willingness to 'reflect' on the teachings, but recognition of the False Ecuмenism won't happen.

    edit: pace Cardinal Muller in that photo. At least he isn't gαy like half of them. An advance surely?


    To be fair, one of the girls is his niece. I think the blond.
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    « Reply #8 on: May 25, 2016, 06:09:46 AM »
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  • But these conciliar cardinals are always engaging with other religious leaders who would be uncomfortable with the idea that their followers had the freedom not to bind themselves without consequence. Only Christianity it seems now has this laxity and is therefore terribly weakened. They believe in a new humanistic religion where ideas intermingle and human expression is everything. Underneath they are the worst kinds of authoritarian with sanctions ready to apply to those that openly oppose the new faith. They prosper in places like Germany whose population has been dumbed-down into consuming only sickly confectionery. The future would have Bp. Fellay and his successors dodging regular salvoes from guardians of V2 with its overt and covert agenda until a state of total submission is reached. We are already on that road.  



     




     

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    « Reply #9 on: May 25, 2016, 06:14:43 AM »
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    Cardinal Gerhard Müller has said he expects the Society of St. Pius X, which has always opposed the Second Vatican Council's declarations on religious freedom and ecuмenism, to “unreservedly recognize” freedom of religion as a human right, and an obligation to ecuмenism.



    YES!

    Please let this be true, please let this be true!

    It would give Bp. Fellay a legitimate reason to be "forced" to say "no deal."



    Hopeful thinking. Either +Fellay lied again or he is too simpleminded to deal with the Romans and he should resign. Judging from the SSPX leadership's eagerness to be "recognized", it should be the first.
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
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    « Reply #10 on: May 25, 2016, 06:18:49 AM »
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  • Quote from: backpacker
    ...ecclesiastical gaslighting…


    Truly an apt description.


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    Does anyone have the photo-shop image of Bp. Fellay and Fr. Pfluger hanging on the Cardinal?



    That image said it all.



    I'm certain this character would have made quite an impression on Dante.