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By their Fruits You Shall Know Them
« on: September 21, 2018, 03:50:27 PM »
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    The fruits of parents is their children and how they live and behave. The fruits of a school is their students and how they live and behave. The fruits of a priest is their parishioners and how they live and behave. I judge the faith of SSPX parents, priests, and schools by their children. By this standard, they have all failed, for it is a rare sight to see their daughters wearing decent clothing, they (SSPX parents, schools, and priests) pretty much all do not see anything wrong in their daughters wearing mini-skirts, short shorts, tight blue jeans, tight sleeves tops with belly exposed, yoga pants, bikinis or one piece bathing suits to the beach.... If they cared, the results would be profoundly different.

    It is rare to find an SSPX young person that greets adults, talks to adults or open doors for anyone. 

    By their fruits, the SSPX and their schools and parishioners are a failure. It is just 1962 all over again.
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    Re: By their Fruits You Shall Know Them
    « Reply #1 on: September 21, 2018, 10:26:31 PM »
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  • it is a rare sight to see their daughters wearing decent clothing, they (SSPX parents, schools, and priests) pretty much all do not see anything wrong in their daughters wearing mini-skirts, short shorts, tight blue jeans, tight sleeves tops with belly exposed, yoga pants, bikinis or one piece bathing suits to the beach
    I've never seen any SSPX parishioner dressed this way.
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    Re: By their Fruits You Shall Know Them
    « Reply #2 on: September 22, 2018, 09:03:32 AM »
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  • I've never seen any SSPX parishioner dressed this way.
    I am talking about outside of mass attendance , the way they dress during the rest of the week outside of the 2 hours at mass on Sundays. I am talking about young people under 40.
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    Re: By their Fruits You Shall Know Them
    « Reply #3 on: September 22, 2018, 10:42:21 AM »
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  • How does that judge the SSPX?

    Are you trying to talk about legitimate problems, or are you just trying to tear down the SSPX any way you can?

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    « Reply #4 on: September 22, 2018, 11:08:09 AM »
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  • How does that judge the SSPX?

    Are you trying to talk about legitimate problems, or are you just trying to tear down the SSPX any way you can?

    St. Francis of Assisi said that as God is the Light, as we come closer to him, it is as if we bring a light closer and closer to us. When we look at ourselves in the mirror, the less light we have, the less imperfections we see, the more perfect we think we are. As we add (receive) more light, we begin to see more and more of our imperfections, wrinkles, scars, pimples, blackheads, pores.

    In the same way, if we come from the world or the Novus Ordo, the indult mass and its parishioners appear to us to be perfection. Later, when we step up to the SSPX, it and its parishioners appear to be superior. However, if we grow in living the faith, we come closer to God and we start to see that the SSPX is not all perfect, that there can be found near true holiness in a few of its priests and parishioners, but that the majority still SSPX has its faults. I am bringing up a BIG fault, a gaping hole in the SSPX, they are not teaching their female students to dress properly during the hours outside of mass. It is the duty of the parents to teach their daughters how to dress (it is the parents who buy the clothes!), it is the duty of the SSPX schools to teach the girls how they should dress. It is the duty of the SSPX priests to teach the parents and the girls how they should dress. daughters. In this the SSPX and the SSPX parents have failed.

    I see this lack of fruit among the young people as being the identical situation as how it was in 1962.  Every Catholic school and mass was traditionalist back then too. Just a few years later you had Woodstock and free love. By the way their parents dress them and the way they are allowed to dress, I  do not see that these young SSPXers will fair any better than the "trads" of 1962.

    "By their fruits you shall know them"
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    Re: By their Fruits You Shall Know Them
    « Reply #5 on: September 22, 2018, 02:45:35 PM »
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  • I've never seen any SSPX parishioner dressed this way.
    I have seen girls (SSPX academy students and alumni) outside of Mass in tight blue jeans (somewhat common), tight sleeves tops (very common) with belly exposed (rare). However, the vast majority do not do so in public view. Nevertheless, the modesty standard are not preached or enforced, so a majority of girls and women push the minimum limits of modesty. A minority do not even try, yet they are still permitted in the church. The few priests and Sisters that I have talked to agree things are bad, but that the enforcement has to come "from the top". I was told Fr. Griego tried to enforce modesty and it stirred up a lot of women to anger, I was not here at the time so I do not know how angry these women got, but priests should not worry about women with weak faith, if they want leave because they cannot wear their tight and revealing cloths, then they really do not have the faith.

    But how is it at your Resistance Chapel, I know the all the priests of the Resistance I have met have preached against immodesty pray the modesty does not start slacking otherwise things will get tight!

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    Re: By their Fruits You Shall Know Them
    « Reply #6 on: September 22, 2018, 03:54:53 PM »
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  • But how is it at your Resistance Chapel, I know the all the priests of the Resistance I have met have preached against immodesty pray the modesty does not start slacking otherwise things will get tight!
    I go to an SSPX chapel. I am talking about the SSPX from first hand experience.
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    Re: By their Fruits You Shall Know Them
    « Reply #7 on: September 22, 2018, 09:46:03 PM »
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  • Last Trad,
    The immodesty you describe of Trad women is everywhere, not just at the sspx.  Most fathers won't lay down the law, even if the mother's try.  Daughters naturally fight with their mothers and I see Fathers not wanting to deal with the turmoil, so they keep silent.  They'll have to answer for this in eternity.  I hope that priests are not also taking the easy way out, but to be fair, it's not priest's jobs to enforce this type of thing outside of Church - they have no way to enforce it, even if they wanted to.  Even if they preached about it every sermon for 6 months straight - that's 30 minutes out of an entire week.  Very easy for the devil to lull people back to sleep.

    On the other hand, even when parents are good and watchful, the times are full of revolt and many children I know who grew up traditional have given up the faith entirely (have even stopped going to church altogether)!  So not all can be blamed on the parents, much less the sspx.  But I do agree with you, the sspx, on the whole, isn't strict on much of anything (except 3 baptisms, ha ha).  


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    Re: By their Fruits You Shall Know Them
    « Reply #8 on: September 23, 2018, 10:35:37 AM »
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  • The immodesty you describe of Trad women is everywhere, not just at the sspx. [Yes, of course, however, the SSPX is supposed to be the best of the traditionalists, indeed they even state that they want to enter Vatican II church to convert them) therefore, I expect more from them than from the Novus Ordo or Indult "trads".] Most fathers won't lay down the law, even if the mother's try. [then there are the mothers who see nothing wrong with it and indeed dress that way themselves] Daughters naturally fight with their mothers [Nothing natural about that. Where did they get the idea to dress that way, who taught them to dress that way, who taught them to argue with their parents?] and I see Fathers not wanting to deal with the turmoil, so they keep silent [ no cojones].  They'll have to answer for this in eternity.[You got that right, their first and really only responsibility, the salvation of their children, and they did nothing] I hope that priests are not also taking the easy way out, but to be fair, it's not priest's jobs to enforce this type of thing outside of Church - they have no way to enforce it, even if they wanted to.[they can enforce very easily, but they don't. They see these young girls around town all  the time, all they have to do is say, hello girls, why are you dressed that way, and tell them what is going to happen to them if they dress like that. It is an opportunity to preach. Isn't that their job?] Even if they preached about it every sermon for 6 months straight - that's 30 minutes out of an entire week.  Very easy for the devil to lull people back to sleep.[ it is a 24/7 job. Sermons, Parents, priests and parents in the streets. If they don't do their job, their daughters will end up pregnant and maybe shotgun married and later divorced. Even worse they loose all respect for the Faith, for it is of no importance.]

    On the other hand, even when parents are good and watchful, the times are full of revolt and many children I know who grew up traditional have given up the faith entirely (have even stopped going to church altogether)!  [all the cases I have seen the parents were missing something, slacking. I saw it coming. ] So not all can be blamed on the parents, much less the sspx. [ that's for God to judge, The One that counts every hair. This is no game ] But I do agree with you, the sspx, on the whole, isn't strict on much of anything (except 3 baptisms, ha ha).  [Sedevacantes, the Resistance, joining Rome, Salvation of Jews, Moslems, Hindus... ALL of that is as nothing compared to the loss of one girl due to the priests and parents not doing their job. ]

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    The same applies to parents and their children "the loss of his children is imputed to him. I need say no more"
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    Re: By their Fruits You Shall Know Them
    « Reply #9 on: September 23, 2018, 11:23:10 AM »
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  • You made some great points.  There’s lots of overlapping points here but agree with you, overall, LOTS of people are to blame. 

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  • By their Fruits You Shall Know Them

    The fruits of parents is their children and how they live and behave. The fruits of a school is their students and how they live and behave. The fruits of a priest is their parishioners and how they live and behave. I judge the faith of SSPX parents, priests, and schools by their children. By this standard, they have all failed, for it is a rare sight to see their daughters wearing decent clothing, they (SSPX parents, schools, and priests) pretty much all do not see anything wrong in their daughters wearing mini-skirts, short shorts, tight blue jeans, tight sleeves tops with belly exposed, yoga pants, bikinis or one piece bathing suits to the beach.... If they cared, the results would be profoundly different.

    It is rare to find an SSPX young person that greets adults, talks to adults or open doors for anyone.

    By their fruits, the SSPX and their schools and parishioners are a failure. It is just 1962 all over again.
    This is an accurate picture of my SSPX parish.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 23, 2018, 02:33:13 PM »
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  • This is an accurate picture of my SSPX parish.
    SSPX has lost it. Lord have mercy.
    Lord have mercy.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 23, 2018, 03:44:20 PM »
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  • SSPX has lost it. Lord have mercy.
    And meanwhile what has the SSPX  been targeting for 20 years now (Even in their schools)? Sedevacantes, the Resistance, joining Rome, "Feeneyism"... ALL of it is as nothing compared to the loss of one girl due to the priests and parents not doing their job. What is the future on tradition if the daughters (the future mothers) are all loose about modesty and morality?

    The restoration of Catholicism and the world rests on the shoulders of the family. We can't do anything about the world, but we can start to change the world inside our family. The SSPX is also a family, the priests and the teachers of the schools are the fathers. What has the SSPX been teaching in the schools, that practically all the girls dress immodestly? What exactly is the purpose of parents, priests, and Catholic schools if not to teach the girls to be ladies? They can't even teach girls why they should not wear provocative clothing! This is TOTAL failure.
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    « Reply #13 on: September 24, 2018, 12:28:11 PM »
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  • What exactly are the parents, the SSPX priests and schools  supposed to teach their girls ?

    (and what about the boys?)

    Parents specially the mothers, have to forget that they were able to catch their husband by wearing the same provocative clothing they allow their daughters to wear. They should just consider themselves lucky if it worked for them, and understand that it will not necessarily work out for their daughters, that they are gambling with their daughters future happiness. If you dress your daughters to attract men, if you teach your daughters that the way to attract men is to wear provocative clothing, know that you are lining up your daughter for pregnancy, abortion, divorce, abandonment of the faith. You are being a bad example to your daughters. You have to change, and you have to clearly explain to your daughters that you have made a grave mistake (if they are old enough to consider the enforced on them change hypocrisy). You are the parent, the change begins with you.

    To be continued

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    Re: By their Fruits You Shall Know Them
    « Reply #14 on: September 24, 2018, 06:30:19 PM »
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  • And meanwhile what has the SSPX  been targeting for 20 years now (Even in their schools)? Sedevacantes, the Resistance, joining Rome, "Feeneyism"... ALL of it is as nothing compared to the loss of one girl due to the priests and parents not doing their job. What is the future on tradition if the daughters (the future mothers) are all loose about modesty and morality?

    The restoration of Catholicism and the world rests on the shoulders of the family. We can't do anything about the world, but we can start to change the world inside our family. The SSPX is also a family, the priests and the teachers of the schools are the fathers. What has the SSPX been teaching in the schools, that practically all the girls dress immodestly? What exactly is the purpose of parents, priests, and Catholic schools if not to teach the girls to be ladies? They can't even teach girls why they should not wear provocative clothing! This is TOTAL failure.
    So true.

     

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