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Offline StLouisIX

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Re: Bullet point list of changes
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2019, 10:09:29 PM »
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  • Tomasso, 

    I think that this video might help. You should watch some of the other videos in his series “The Smoke of Satan”, since they address all sorts of issues with Vatican II and Modernism. These videos aren’t that long individually. He quotes from the Council of Trent and Church Tradition in his videos, as well as from the VII docs to demonstrate the conflict between Church dogma and the changes introduced through VII. The video I’ve linked is about how the VII docs mention that the rites for sacraments and the Mass were to be revised, which goes against the Council of Trent.  

     (5:34 long) 

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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #31 on: December 02, 2019, 07:33:56 PM »
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  • … on another thread I recommended No Crisis in the Church - a rigorous comparison of Catholic Church teachings before and after the Second Vatican Council, by Simon Galloway isbn 0-9553745-0-2.


    This title is unfamiliar to me, Nadir, and so thank you.

    Do you consider Galloway's book superior to Romano Amerio's Iota Unum, which is the best exposition known to me of the nature and consequences of the conciliar revolution?


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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #32 on: December 02, 2019, 08:36:36 PM »
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  • Greetings, Claudel,

    It is really difficult to compare the two books, because they are such different style and organisation. 

    Galloway's book is 270 pages, which mostly consists of lists of differences in the writings of pre-Vatican II popes and the post Vat II variety in their writings, sermons, etcetera. These are shown side by side so it is very easy to compare them. It is not a book to sit down and read to while the time away!

    Whereas Amerio's book is a concentrated tome of 780 pages. I have a copy on my shelf and have not yet managed to read it.

    I did just now have the fortune while searching for something else to come across this review of No Crisis in the Church? which give a better picture than I ever could.

    Is There a Crisis in the Church? - Review by Fr. Somerville
    https://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_023br_CrisisInChurch_Somerville.htm

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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #33 on: December 02, 2019, 11:09:38 PM »
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  • Thank you yet again, Nadir. Your comments and the link are both very helpful.

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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #34 on: December 03, 2019, 08:21:27 AM »
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  • Sloth

    One of the seven capital sins. In general it means disinclination to labour or exertion. As a capital or deadly vice St. Thomas (II-II:35) calls it sadness in the face of some spiritual good which one has to achieve (Tristitia de bono spirituali). Father Rickaby aptly translates its Latin equivalent acedia (Gr. akedia) by saying that it means the don't-care feeling. A man apprehends the practice of virtue to be beset with difficulties and chafes under the restraints imposed by the service of God. The narrow way stretches wearily before him and his soul grows sluggish and torpid at the thought of the painful life journey. The idea of right living inspires not joy but disgust, because of its laboriousness. This is the notion commonly obtaining, and in this sense sloth is not a specific vice according to the teaching of St. Thomas, but rather a circumstance of all vices. Ordinarily it will not have the malice of mortal sin unless, of course, we conceive it to be so utter that because of it one is willing to bid defiance to some serious obligation. St. Thomas completes his definition of sloth by saying that it is torpor in the presence of spiritual good which is Divine good. In other words, a man is then formally distressed at the prospect of what he must do for God to bring about or keep intact his friendship with God. In this sense sloth is directly opposed to charity. It is then a mortal sin unless the act be lacking in entire advertence or full consent of the will. The trouble attached to maintenance of the inhabiting of God by charity arouses tedium in such a person. He violates, therefore, expressly the first and the greatest of the commandments: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength." (Mark 12:30).

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14057c.htm
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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #35 on: December 03, 2019, 08:23:09 AM »
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  • I think that this video might help. You should watch some of the other videos in his series “The Smoke of Satan”, since they address all sorts of issues with Vatican II and Modernism. (5:34 long)
    Thank you. This video and the others were very helpful. I appreciated it.
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    A rigorous comparison of Catholic Church teachings before and after the Second Vatican Council, by Simon Galloway isbn 0-9553745-0-2
    Thank you, Nadir. I bought the book a week ago. It's on its way. I did not buy the 101 changes, though. My reading list is so long that it will take me three years to complete all books.
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    Which anyone with the references and a knowledge of your modus operandi can, it doesn’t need to be a priest. They just need to tell the person to check the references.
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    Archbishop Lefebvre : For them, their goal is to divide the Tradition. They already had Dom Augustin (3), they had Blignères (4), and now they had Dom Gérard. This weakens our position accordingly. It's their goal: to divide to make us disappear .
    Harry, thank you for joining tha thread but how can this post contribute to the OP or my subsequent question? Kindly, can you remain pertinent?
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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #36 on: December 03, 2019, 08:38:42 AM »
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  • Do you consider Galloway's book superior to Romano Amerio's Iota Unum, which is the best exposition known to me of the nature and consequences of the conciliar revolution?
    claudel, I have found that book in Italian. @ Nadir and claudel, given my time constraints, which book concerning this specific issue (itemized and quote reference errors ov V2) do you reccomend?
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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #37 on: December 03, 2019, 10:11:43 AM »
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  • Tommaso, on another thread I recommended No Crisis in the Church - a rigorous comparison of Catholic Church teachings before and after the Second Vatican Council, by Simon Galloway isbn 0-9553745-0-2
    Nadir, I was looking for the tracking number email from https://isoc.ws but I realized that after I paid I never received the confirmation email. I went back to the website and the book is listed as "not in print"... :'( I was swindled!

    DO NOT BUY FROM ISOC !

    I cannot find the book under 120EUR or more... if you have a good link, please, let me know.
    Tommaso
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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #38 on: December 03, 2019, 01:54:28 PM »
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  • Nadir, I was looking for the tracking number email from https://isoc.ws but I realized that after I paid I never received the confirmation email. I went back to the website and the book is listed as "not in print"... :'( I was swindled!

    DO NOT BUY FROM ISOC !

    I cannot find the book under 120EUR or more... if you have a good link, please, let me know.
    You lazy jerk, Judy Sharpe is quite ill and is taking a hiatus for medical care. She announced that in her most recent ISOC release.
    Many of us here have known her for decades and we know that she has the highest ethical standards. I am sure she will make good on anything she owes you.
    You just need to arouse your lazy self to let her know of the problem.

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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #39 on: December 03, 2019, 04:37:05 PM »
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  • … @ Nadir and claudel, given my time constraints, which book … do you recommend?


    By all means take Nadir's advice.

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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 05:57:58 AM »
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  • This is a complete waste of time.

    Thanks for a post with zero substance. You fluff around with definitions that are so obvious as to be insulting, make some oblique insults, exaggerate, ooze sarcasm and then do nothing about dealing with the actual substance (while boldly claiming you have proven all 101 claims untenable). If the 101 claims are all so disprovable/untenable then why don't you start systematically refuting them.  


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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 02:34:23 PM »
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  • Nadir, I was looking for the tracking number email from https://isoc.ws but I realized that after I paid I never received the confirmation email. I went back to the website and the book is listed as "not in print"... :'( I was swindled!

    DO NOT BUY FROM ISOC !

    I cannot find the book under 120EUR or more... if you have a good link, please, let me know.
    UPDATE

    ISOC refunded the full amount !

    I must correct my original post. However, the indication of availability is not accurate. The book is NOT in stock.

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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #42 on: Yesterday at 02:40:31 PM »
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  • By all means take Nadir's advice.
    Thank you claudel. I am looking for the book as it seems to be unavailable under EUR 120.00. The original price is USD 20.00. If, by anu chance, you happen to find it online, for a reasonable price, please let me know.
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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #43 on: Yesterday at 10:17:45 PM »
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  • Some comments on the price are here:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/on.com/pro/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=on.com/pro&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 />
    Matthew also deals with Amazon, and if you deal with him it helps him to keep us online and his family fed.


    Don't let Matthew scare you. His bark is worse than his bite. He puts up with Poche... he'll put up with you. :laugh1:

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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #44 on: Today at 05:51:51 AM »
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  • Nadir, thank you! Unfortunately I had no luck with your link but I found the book at carmel books, as recommended by another memberin another thread. I just bought it. I really look forward to this book.


    Some comments on the price are here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/on.com/pro/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=on.com/pro&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 />
    Tommaso
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