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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: A Saint Speaks About Bishop Williamson
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2020, 08:02:19 AM »
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    • I am following this thread from afar, and am quite surprised (but shouldn’t be!) to see what some have made of it.

    Fr. Cooper, pray for us!
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    Re: A Saint Speaks About Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #16 on: January 28, 2020, 08:20:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 28, 2020, 05:58:31 AM
    If our SSPX priests and bishops go straight to Heaven, wouldn’t the Holy Ghost give us some signs?

    Perhaps.  Perhaps not.  I believe that part of the punishment of this Crisis has to do with leaving us "in the dark".  Let's say Padre Pio had lived much longer and had himself co-founded the SSPX with +Lefebvre.  I'm guessing the Church Crisis would have been over in a couple years as the entire faithful Catholic world would have rallied around him.  Same thing had God favored +Lefebvre with miracles and the stigmata.  But God wants use to use our faith and our faith alone to navigate this crisis.  Miracles are not given for the benefit of the person performing them, but, rather, to help the faith of those who behold them.  At this point in history, God has chosen to remain hidden.  Faith is strengthened in darkness.  Even Our Lord taught that, saying that his Apostles believed because they have seen, but blessed are those who believe without having seen.

    I actually don't think it's that hard to go straight to heaven.  Why?  Because of the Church's generous plenary indulgences.  Regardless of one's theological position, one practice that was a Plenary Indulgence in the old rules and still remains so in the new rules is making the Stations of the Cross.  And no special form of the Stations has to be done; you can simply move from Station to Station contemplating each one.  As long as someone is free from ATTACHMENT to sin, all of one's temporal punishment due to sin is remitted due to the Merits of Our Lord being shared by the Church.  Freedom from attachment to sin is not the same thing as being a saint or perfect.  You can still be a sinner, but you must be free from an attachment to the sin, which means having part of you still like it and want to keep doing it.  It's not that difficult a bar for someone who's simply generous about his desire to please God.  So, for instance, someone could be prone to gluttony, and succuмb from time to time.  But if he's upset about this and is trying to fight it vs. secretly wanting to keep doing it, then there's no "attachment" to it.
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    Re: A Saint Speaks About Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #17 on: January 28, 2020, 11:12:30 AM »
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    • Question:

    During the 28 years since +ABL’s death, the SSPX has discreetly encouraged their faithful to pray for his intercession.

    I’m aware of such cases with a gentleman who had terminal cancer.

    Over these 28 years, has there been any instances, recorded or not, of a miracle coming from such prayers of intercession?

    Just asking...
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    Re: A Saint Speaks About Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #18 on: January 28, 2020, 11:17:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 27, 2020, 07:18:51 AM
    We ask him to pray for us every night after the Rosary.

    It goes like this:

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us
    St. Pius X, pray for us
    St. Alphonsus, pray for us
    St. Dominic, pray for us
    St. Athanasius, pray for us
    St. Thomas Aquinas, pray for us
    Guardian Angels, watch over us
    Archbishop Lefebvre, pray for us
    Fr. Cooper, pray for us

    Why did you forget your inspirational saint from your seminary days.... St. Newman?  :popcorn:
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    Re: A Saint Speaks About Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #19 on: February 03, 2020, 10:10:24 PM »
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    • God bless Fr Cooper, may he rest in peace. A lovely testimony.
    However, was he not perhaps too much under the sway of the Freemasons and ralliers in the Society, as I concede in retrospect that I was myself?
    Were Bishop Williamson's comments truly imprudent? Did they really show the SSPX in a bad light? 
    Imprudent, no doubt, because he was in Germany and could have ended up in serious trouble with the villains who run that country.
    But were his comments injurious to the SSPX, did they harm the Church and souls? In short, did they compromise the cause of God and His Truth?
    I believe too many of us have accepted this view of events for far too long. These comments of Bishop Williamson and the events that followed could just as easily have brought many souls of good will to the Church, to God's Truth. Was it not rather the Superior General of the SSPX, with his sickening treatment of his fellow bishop, who was the true cause of scandal? (We can seriously question now whether it was not all premeditated, a 'set-up') He condemned one of the few Princes of the Church who fearlessly preaches the word of God, in season and out of season - why? for questioning the unquestionable to the enemies of our Faith - while grovelling to a Pope who just as fearlessly violates God's First Commandment with his interreligious ceremonies.
    Imagine if Bishop Fellay, instead of demanding that Bishop Williamson apologise to Pope Benedict (For what, indeed? Heresy? Like most every bishop of the Church including the Bishop of Rome? No, for compromising the Pope's efforts to breach God's First Commandment!), imagine if he had stood behind him as he ought to have done and confronted the Pope head on with the heresies running rampant in the Church and contrasted that with his new dogma of the h0Ɩ0cαųst. Just imagine how it could have shone a light on the truth for the whole world to see. But it is all too clear now what motivated the Superior General of the SSPX, how he was disposed towards apostate Rome, and how he was disposed towards those who should have been his friends in the fight...
    Pray for Bishop Williamson as Fr Cooper says. But pray for Bishop Fellay, poor Bishop Fellay...
    This whole episode clearly resulted from the man who was the leader of the bastion of Tradition (the SG of the SSPX), seeking 'favors' from the enemies of that Tradition, instead of preaching fearlessly the Truth. He mistook his enemies for his friends and vice versa... It is clear who was the imprudent bishop in this whole affair. 
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    Re: A Saint Speaks About Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #20 on: February 04, 2020, 10:46:27 AM »
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    • Yes, that was the key moment, when the SSPX’s Superior General could have “sat tall in the saddle”.

    He could have stood-up for his Bishop and the truth... that the “h0Ɩ0cαųst” is another batch of тαℓмυdic lies.

    But it was all part of the “Showa-biz”, script where Bp. Fellay was acting on queue.

    From there, he led the bulk of organized Catholic tradition to neo-trad fairyland, where Jєωs are our friends and the pope is a good guy.
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