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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Bullet point list of changes
« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2019, 06:08:56 AM »
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  • Nothing is better than Iota Unum, when it comes to studying the deviations of Vatican II. 

    By far the best book in English on the subject.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #46 on: December 11, 2019, 09:17:45 PM »
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  • If, by any chance, you happen to find it online, for a reasonable price, please let me know.


    This is not really a reasonable price, but a copy of No Crisis in the Church? is being sold on eBay for $55.00, inclusive of shipping cost. That's the lowest price anywhere at present.

    As for Iota Unum, an interesting rental deal for the English-language edition is described at this link. The long and short of the matter is that you can rent the book for $10 a week, and if you want to keep it, it's yours once you pay the fourth week's rental.

    Also apropos Iota Unum, at eBay, a used copy of the French edition can be had for $36.51. Several copies of the original Italian edition can also be found there, but they are all roughly $65 and up—far up!

    The conclusion I draw from this situation is that NewChurch and its (((supporters and enablers))) think that the less you know about the Council and its consequences, the better it is for everyone. Well, at least for them.


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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #47 on: December 11, 2019, 10:07:23 PM »
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  • Special Christmas deal:

    You can have my "Broken Cross" by Piers Compton and "No Crisis in the Church" by Galloway in a special discounted bundle of only $800.00 (plus postage).

    Looks like Compton alone is going for $1,000+ on Ebay, so this is a steal!!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #48 on: December 19, 2019, 02:32:14 AM »
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  • Nothing is better than Iota Unum, when it comes to studying the deviations of Vatican II. By far the best book in English on the subject.
    Thank you SeanJohnson. Does this book include the prelude to V2? For example the Siri incident? The preluding strategies raising anti-Church clergy from within?


    This is not really a reasonable price, but a copy of No Crisis in the Church? is being sold on eBay for $55.00, inclusive of shipping cost. That's the lowest price anywhere at present.

    As for Iota Unum, an interesting rental deal for the English-language edition is described at this link. The long and short of the matter is that you can rent the book for $10 a week, and if you want to keep it, it's yours once you pay the fourth week's rental.

    Also apropos Iota Unum, at eBay, a used copy of the French edition can be had for $36.51. Several copies of the original Italian edition can also be found there, but they are all roughly $65 and up—far up!

    The conclusion I draw from this situation is that NewChurch and its (((supporters and enablers))) think that the less you know about the Council and its consequences, the better it is for everyone. Well, at least for them.
    Thank you claudel. I purchased the Italian version online. I appreciate the helpful directions.
    https://www.amazon.it/Iota-unum-Studio-variazioni-Cattolica/dp/8864095225/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=Iota+Unum&qid=1576744643&sr=8-1

    What is the follow up book like?
    https://www.amazon.it/Stat-veritas-Seguito-%C2%ABIota-unum%C2%BB/dp/8871808215/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=Iota+Unum&qid=1576744643&sr=8-2


    Special Christmas deal: You can have my "Broken Cross" by Piers Compton and "No Crisis in the Church" by Galloway in a special discounted bundle of only $800.00 (plus postage). Looks like Compton alone is going for $1,000+ on Ebay, so this is a steal!!
    Unfortunately that price is outside my range. But thank you for locating the interesting offer.
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    Iota Unum
    « Reply #49 on: January 27, 2020, 05:51:42 AM »
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  • Dear All who helped me choose a book, thank you.

    I am seeking an alternative title to Iota Unum.

    I managed to read all of Iota Unum and found it a great book for accuracy and eloquence but, others to whom I gifted the book (relatives and friends), found the Italian version written in archaic and difficult prose. Most friends/relatives did not get passed the introduction or the first chapter.

    I am looking for an alternative title that can be as convincing as possible but easier to read. My goal is to expose the crisis in the government of the Church to individuals who are not even aware of problems and who are happy with the status quo.

    I also purchased "No Crisis in the Church?" but this book has not yet arrived.
    Tommaso
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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #50 on: January 27, 2020, 03:15:37 PM »
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  • With some hesitancy, I suggest that you take a look at The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church. The principal knock on it from some perspectives is that its sympathies lie far more with accommodationist Traditionalists than with open resisters or sedevacantists.

    It's moderately priced at Amazon and often can be found for even less via eBay or BookFinder.com.

    It was written by Christopher Ferrara and Thomas Woods around the year 2000 and published shortly thereafter. At that time the men were friends (or at least very friendly acquaintances and colleagues), and both were part of Michael Matt's circle at The Remnant. Also, they were both admirers of Archbishop Lefebvre and were certainly describable as very sympathetic to the SSPX, although their deepest loyalties lay with indultist Catholics.

    Within a few years of publication, however, Ferrara and Woods had fallen out. It is not an exaggeration, I think, to say that there now exists a great deal of bitterness between them, though the public expression of that bitterness has come more from Ferrara than Woods. Woods has become a celebrity of sorts on the libertarian Right, and he has wisely declined to engage in public squabbles that can do his career no good.

    In the interests of full disclosure, I ought to say that I had a professional working relationship with Woods for three years in the first decade of this century. That relationship involved his background as a published historian and college teacher; I engaged his services on behalf of my employer to contribute to the development of an encyclopedia. In professional terms, he certainly kept his part of the contractual bargain.

    He and I were aware of each other's Traditionalism and opposition to the Vatican II church, but our acquaintance never advanced beyond that stage. As is true of the many other academics with whom I worked, I could metaphorically hurl both bouquets and brickbats in his direction. Suffice to say that he is as adept at self-promotion as any man now alive. He has probably irritated and disappointed more people than Ferrara has, but on the other hand he has pointlessly insulted far, far fewer.

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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #51 on: January 29, 2020, 08:14:07 AM »
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  • Not a book, but I found a playlist of Italian language videos on YouTube that might be helpful: 

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnftOVqh-jlY5hwUL9DU4I3Q315k7vHnp


    These two videos in particular: 






    This series covers the topic of the liturgy. All of these videos are not particularly long, with most falling under 10 minutes. Hope this helps. 





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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #52 on: January 29, 2020, 12:45:45 PM »
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  • Not a book, but I found a playlist of Italian language videos on YouTube that might be helpful:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnftOVqh-jlY5hwUL9DU4I3Q315k7vHnp
    This series covers the topic of the liturgy. All of these videos are not particularly long, with most falling under 10 minutes. Hope this helps.
    Thank you indeed for the effort of locating Italian language content. I really appreciated it. However, my main objective lies with errors in doctrine rather than liturgy.

    I find liturgy alone to be a weaker argument to "convert" a reformist or a conciliar apologist, to Catholic doctrine. What convinced me, personally, were the errors of doctrine (antropocentrism, caritas before veritas, freedom of religion, etc.) rather than liturgical errors although these too, carried their weight.

    I seek a book or better, video series as this one, that firstly highlight the symptoms (falling numbers of faithful and vocations, diluted faith beliefs, every day life absurdities, etc.) that everyone can appreciate and experience and then explain the causes thereof.

    I will watch these videos and comment later. Again, thank you for investing your time to help me.
    With some hesitancy, I suggest that you take a look at The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church. The principal knock on it from some perspectives is that its sympathies lie far more with accommodationist Traditionalists than with open resisters or sedevacantists.

    It's moderately priced at Amazon and often can be found for even less via eBay or BookFinder.com.

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    Thank you. As usual you are eloquent and very helpful. I must thank you once more for the thread where you recommend the Fr Knox Bible that is very readable and helpful for novices.

    As for the Iota Unum alternative, I am not concerned by sedevacantist or accomodationist perspectives as much as pointing out the consequences that the V2 reform caused.

    For example, by privileging to caritas over veritas, we have diluted (eliminated) Christian principles from our society and its courts. In Italy, all schools (including Catholic) are required, by law, to expose children to the notion that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, homoparental families, etc., have equal ethical dignity and moral worth, besides the now given equal legal rights.

    Iota Unum was very accurate from a doctrinal and scholarly perspective but was less helpful from the perspective that I just outlined.

    Is the book that you recommend oriented more towards a doctrinal analysis or towards exposing everyday life consequences of these reforms?
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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #53 on: January 29, 2020, 02:22:52 PM »
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  • Is the book that you recommend oriented more towards a doctrinal analysis or towards exposing everyday life consequences of these reforms?

    Here is a link to a thoughtful, accurate assessment of the book's purpose and content.

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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #54 on: January 29, 2020, 02:24:03 PM »
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  • Good to hear from you again, Tommaso. Were you ever able to make contact with don Francesco Ricossa of Istituto Mater Boni Consilii di Verrua Savoia?

    There are dozens of videos made by him, not only on liturgy. Here is one example: 

    The website: https://www.sodalitium.biz/contatti/
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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #55 on: January 30, 2020, 09:26:35 AM »
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  • I find liturgy alone to be a weaker argument to "convert" a reformist or a conciliar apologist, to Catholic doctrine. What convinced me, personally, were the errors of doctrine (antropocentrism, caritas before veritas, freedom of religion, etc.) rather than liturgical errors although these too, carried their weight.

    I seek a book or better, video series as this one, that firstly highlight the symptoms (falling numbers of faithful and vocations, diluted faith beliefs, every day life absurdities, etc.) that everyone can appreciate and experience and then explain the causes thereof.
    Understandable. I found another Italian source that might be helpful. It’s an article on ecuмenism on the old website for the SSPX Italian district. 
    https://www.sanpiox.it/archivio/articoli/crisi-nella-chiesa/1717-il-concilio-vaticano-ii-e-la-salvezza-delle-anime

    Although I cannot comprehend Italian, this article seems to reference previous Church councils such as the Council of Florence and Pius XI’s Mortalium Animos, and compares these teachings to the Conciliar and Post-Conciliar teachings on false religions. This should help in highlighting the inherent contradictions between Church doctrine and one of the most ridiculous aspects of the Novus Ordo Church. 


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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #56 on: February 02, 2020, 01:17:44 PM »
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  • Here is a link to a thoughtful, accurate assessment of the book's purpose and content.
    Thank you. It was useful.

    From this synopsis I understand that the authors start by framing the indisputable demise of the Church. Would you remember if, when you read the book, you found tangible and practical examples of problems that are the symptoms of the deeper causes?

    Many reformed Catholics recognize that problems plague modern society and the Church but these same individuals fail to connect these symptoms to the causes.

    I am convinced that a book that can connect symptoms and causes can be more convincing than a book that approaches the problem from a merely doctrinal perspective. From the synopsis I was unable to understand if The Great facade approaches the crisis from practical and symptomatic (*) perspective or it only introduces the demise.

    Mind you, Iota Unum carries an indisputable advantage when presented to a different audience, an erudite and informed reader. The accurate doctrinal and theological perspective can not be challenged. But most readers do not possess sufficient background understanding of our Church to appreciate the Iota Unum. For example, Iota Unum discusses the error of Caritas ante Veritas, but does not offer any practical examples that lazy, reformed Cathlics may immediately recognize and, thus, the concept remains theoretical.

    (*) day to day errors as priests allowing divorced individuals to receive Eucharist, the Holy Father saying that we worship the same God as the muslims, etc., etc..
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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #57 on: February 02, 2020, 01:39:37 PM »
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  • Understandable. I found another Italian source that might be helpful. It’s an article on ecuмenism on the old website for the SSPX Italian district.
    https://www.sanpiox.it/archivio/articoli/crisi-nella-chiesa/1717-il-concilio-vaticano-ii-e-la-salvezza-delle-anime
    Although I cannot comprehend Italian, this article seems to reference previous Church councils such as the Council of Florence and Pius XI’s Mortalium Animos, and compares these teachings to the Conciliar and Post-Conciliar teachings on false religions. This should help in highlighting the inherent contradictions between Church doctrine and one of the most ridiculous aspects of the Novus Ordo Church.
    Thank you. This is an excellent docuмent that I will print for my own reference and for distribution to those with whom I discuss Ecuмenism.

    But also this approach is doctrinal rather than practical and tangible. My challenge lies in the lazy approach of reformed Catholics that are ignorant of doctrine as I was, until I encountered this platform and begun studying, but are also lazy and unwilling to put in the effort to educate themselves. One might counter: it's their problem, let them rot in hell... except that these individuals happen to be people whom I love. Rather than asking them to rise to the challenge of the crisis I try to find something on their plane. Something simple.

    One example: I recently sent an image of Trump and Bergoglio, side by side.
    Trump said:
    "I fight for you and we fight for those who have no voice" and
    Bergoglio said:
    "it is not necessary to be obsessed with abortion".
    The conversation that ensued was convincing because the error was tangible. I explained that this was the symptom of the Vatican II's error of "Caritas ante Veritas" and I convinced the interlocutor that we cannot always be charitable, if the act of charity conflicts with truth.
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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #58 on: February 03, 2020, 08:19:26 AM »
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  • Good to hear from you again, Tommaso. Were you ever able to make contact with don Francesco Ricossa of Istituto Mater Boni Consilii di Verrua Savoia?
    There are dozens of videos made by him, not only on liturgy. Here is one example:
    The website: https://www.sodalitium.biz/contatti/
    Hello Nadir, I did not contact don Francesco Ricossa but I contacted other priests and journalists cited in article from those websites. One priest, coincidentally, had been celebrating Mass in my city for FSSPX and had been searching for a Church before me so we are now collaborating in our search for a Church.

    Thank you for the videos.
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    Re: Bullet point list of changes
    « Reply #59 on: February 03, 2020, 02:32:54 PM »
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  • Ascanio,

    You could try reading a book called, "Open Letter to Confused Catholics, " by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. It's available on Amazon.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29