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Author Topic: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"  (Read 27901 times)

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He said what?  When and where?  Maybe he had the wrong Teresa? 
Here is the sermon, his comment begins at the 11 minute mark: 

Let's not make it a battle of interpretations.

I sent +Williamson the following email, and if he responds, I will post his reply:


Greetings Your Lordship-

Last week, Fr. Hewko published an email correspondence between him and yourself which contained the following passage:

“Reverend,

When you deny the genuinely scientific evidence in favor of miracles taking place at Novus Ordo Masses said by Novus Ordo priests consecrated by Novus Ordo bishops, such as happened in Sokolka, Poland, in 2008, you are not living in the same world or Church as I am.

Please resort to any bishop who shares your own attitude towards reality. Please do not ask me again for Oils for as long as you are defying reality.”


Some online commentators are construing Your Lordship’s words as requiring belief in Novus Ordo miracles as a prerequisite for the reception of holy oils, while others are saying this is simply Your Lordship’s way of telling Fr. Hewko to buzz off (not just because of disagreement on this issue, but 10 others over the years as well), by requiring a condition Your Lordship knows he won’t accept.

In this matter, the Hewkonians have found an ally in the sedevacantists, since both consider Novus Ordo miracles impossible (the sedes, because they allege the Mass is per se invalid; the Hewkonians because they think it would mean God is endorsing the new Mass).

A second issue of complaint stemming from Your Lordship’s words to Fr. Hewko is that Your Lordship is morally obligated to give oils to him (or any other renegade priest on the planet, regardless of his positions, for the good of their faithful), or it is tantamount to “weaponizing” the sacraments.

May I request an additional comment from Your Lordship to clarify your thoughts on:

    -Whether belief in Novus Ordo miracles is required in order to receive holy oils;
    -A response to those who say Your Lordship is required to give oils to anyone who requests them

Semper Idem,
Sean Johnson


+Williamson responds:


Dear Sean,

It is clear and repeated denial of true scientific evidence which renders anyone guilty of one of the unforgivable sins against the Holy Ghost. Let anybody in doubt look them up.

Common sense says that precious gifts of God should hardly be handed out to people hardly able to appreciate reality.


God bless, BpW.




+Williamson responds:


Dear Sean,

It is clear and repeated denial of true scientific evidence which renders anyone guilty of one of the unforgivable sins against the Holy Ghost. Let anybody in doubt look them up.

Common sense says that precious gifts of God should hardly be handed out to people hardly able to appreciate reality.


God bless, BpW.
Sounds an awful lot like Fr. Paul Robinson touting the 'scientific evidence' behind the Big Bang.
In the most recent Kolbe report, highlighting Fr. Robinson emphasizing the "science" over the supernatural (this report was posted here but I can't find it now):


Presenting what he purports to be scientific data, Fr. Robinson asserts that Reason is not to be ignored and, thus, insists we must reject Genesis as traditionally understood. It is true that “faith and reason can never come into conflict.” But the reasoning must be sound. The theories Fr. Robinson promotes do contradict the text of Genesis, and also the Church Fathers and Doctors. The problem, however, is not with the words of Moses and tradition, but with the theories The Realist Guide promotes.

Ironically, even the local bishop at Sokółka won't absolutely declare this a true miracle but simple concludes "The case of Sokółka does not contradict the faith of the Church, but rather confirms it.” More Novus Ordo ambiguity.

Are the phony miracles associated with the canonizations of Paul VI 'scientific' and therefore belief in them grounds for receiving Holy Oils?  Where does one draw the line with Novus Ordo miracles?  It is clear that this is completely arbitrary on Bp. Williamson's part.






Sounds an awful lot like Fr. Paul Robinson touting the 'scientific evidence' behind the Big Bang.
In the most recent Kolbe report, highlighting Fr. Robinson emphasizing the "science" over the supernatural (this report was posted here but I can't find it now):


Presenting what he purports to be scientific data, Fr. Robinson asserts that Reason is not to be ignored and, thus, insists we must reject Genesis as traditionally understood. It is true that “faith and reason can never come into conflict.” But the reasoning must be sound. The theories Fr. Robinson promotes do contradict the text of Genesis, and also the Church Fathers and Doctors. The problem, however, is not with the words of Moses and tradition, but with the theories The Realist Guide promotes.

Ironically, even the local bishop at Sokółka won't absolutely declare this a true miracle but simple concludes "The case of Sokółka does not contradict the faith of the Church, but rather confirms it.” More Novus Ordo ambiguity.

Are the phony miracles associated with the canonizations of Paul VI 'scientific' and therefore belief in them grounds for receiving Holy Oils?  Where does one draw the line with Novus Ordo miracles?  It is clear that this is completely arbitrary on Bp. Williamson's part.




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Firstly, nobody depends upon Fr. Hewko for sacraments: 

His “faithful” are perfectly content to go years without any sacraments (in order to be “faithful!”).

There are validly ordained priests all around them whom they could approach, but they choose not to.

As for the length of the thread getting stretched by those not “dependent” upon Hewko for sacraments, I would say firstly that you are deceived regarding the identity of some of this thread’s posters, and secondly that it is their preference for Hewko which is placing them in harm’s way, and not the fact that Williamson won’t facilitate that poisoned ministry:

Was it not Hewko himself who sold his “faithful” that stupid bill of goods by which they must shun all other clergy but himself (eg., red-lighting SSPX Mass attendance, etc.)?
I guess the situation has deteriorated beyond what I imagined.  I knew Fr. Hewko when he was still with the Society and for a few years afterward, but haven’t attended a Mass or had any personal contact since he was still in Boston, KY.  That situation with the warlock was very bad.  I separated myself from it and everyone who had anything to do with it in 2015.  
So far as I know, Fr. H. has never issued an apology or official retraction of the years he spent under Fr. Pf. and his warlock sidekick.  
So the Hewkoites would become home-aloners if something should happen to Fr. Hewko?  Does Fr. Hewko refuse Sacraments to people based upon them attending either his or Fr. Ruiz’s Mass?  Where do they hear Mass if he’s away?  They don’t go?  If so, that’s not good.  What about Confirmation?  Where do Hewkoites go for Confirmation?  What will they do when he finds his property for his “seminary?” Is everyone planning to move?   (Most unwise if there is no bishop!)   
The entire situation isn’t good at all.  I feel badly for the children and possibly dependent elderly/disabled dragged into it.  These are the souls I’d consider in danger.  If any of these is deprived of the Sacraments, Bp. W. won’t be held responsible, however.  God will primarily charge the heads of the families with the punishments in Purgatory or, God forbid, loss, of souls.